Oh God it's starting again.

SEE. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

Get into your bunker, Metrophor.

We have an approximate 50-50 battle on these Forums to my knowledge. 50% of us like the Enclave, the other 50% don't. I always find that the Enclave are defending themselves, every, single, time. Well I think it's time that someone makes up a Thread questioning all the motives of the Brotherhood and see how THAT turns out perhaps?

Enclave are evil, yes, but so is everyone else, the Enclave are doing what's right by them and so is everyone else.

The enclave is a force of good.

No, that would turn into a flame war quicker than a discussion on Anti-Semites(Don't take this any farther).

Wth happened to the peace treaty signed in hugs and vodka just a couple hours ago? :confused:

Dammit... Your right... <_<

Enclave are partway evil, but have overall good motives. Think about it, if you knew the world was screwed over and would be eternally full of things that wanted to kill you and a group of people could fix that... What would you do?

I rest my case.

(Until it is brought up again)

I guess Aquafina is distributing pure water bottles with their logo on them, so it must be an act of propaganda which will cause us all to see them as Saviors and flock to them for guidance. At least the Brotherhood is giving the water away for free.

Let me clear this up for you. The ENCLAVE wanted the purifier to win the trust of the people so that they could draw attention away from their main goal, genocide (remember the modified FEV?).

The BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL wanted the purifier because they had a stake in the project before the Lone Wanderer was even born; because Elder Lyons dedicated himself to helping the people of the wasteland 2 decades ago.

I got no problem comparing the enclave to nazi's, thing is they are American founded. As far as I can tell, if you are a genetically pure human, you can stay in the enclave regardless of racial background. I mean, the leader is a [you know] anyway, whole organization is [censored] up. Just waiting for the aliens to invade to complete it.

i know what i would do..

i would not kill and experiment on all of the people that are supposed to be my constituants and fellow "pure" people.... the poor vault experiment dwellers

oh boy lemme get this through.

the enclave have a simple idea: radiation that was brought on by nuclear weapons(still got no clue who shot the first nukes, maybe its better if we dont know) needs to be cleansed, the vault experiments that THEY made had failed, orders were not followed. humanity is regrettably the main problem in the post ww3 world(they had no idea the master would create super mutants with THEIR FEV) the raiders were attacking them on sight, and they were not welcomed by anyone and immediately seen as a threat in their power armor. after that first look, with the deathclaws freed, ghouls running rampant, and even worse events happening, they had to do something.

it was one heck of a kick to the pants, but they were forced to use the FEV, they would infect the water supplies of the world with a virus that would eliminate any life affected by radiation! this of course meant that the people who escaped the vaults, the people who did not take shelter during the war, and others would die. but this was the only option! what you see in the capital wasteland is the result of the only solution that they have!! the enclave were forced to kill them because they did not have the supplies(and were denied help from locals) to treat them. the enclave barely have enough supplies to live alone, and they still get no help. they stand alone in hell. the super mutants were an issue that neither the brotherhood or the enclave could solve alone. but of course the locals get in the way, disrupting their progress, the enclave were experimenting on deathclaws so they could have a chance there. they are not doing evil, their intentions are no different, this is a nuclear wasteland, if anyone forgot, the lone wanderer would probably shoot first, but they dont know.

that purifier was the only piece they could use to introduce FEV into the world's water, but nooooo....

Let me set one thing straight. Most of the people who "support" the Enclave, support them IN GAME. It's their game. You know the game where you can slaughter entire towns with no consequences, which you know, most of you have probably done? There are some who "support" them period, but a lot of us support them as a VIDEO GAME ORGANIZATION. Some of you are getting the idea that we support real life genocide. I know this for a fact because I started a thread in the now almost deceased forum for the Enclave Fanclub, and that was the most common answer.

Also; Go Enclave, wooo! They Rockz! (Best argument ever)

Well said comrade, well said.

*peeks out of the trenches* Dammit, where's my pith helmet when I need it?
*sprints to bunker and yanks blast door shut*
Curse the day I ever set foot out of here. You'd think I would know better by now.

You know there's really only one way to settle this argument, right?
A DANCE-OFF.

....No?

........

*crickets*


I never get to have any fun. :c

I didn't say no to the dance off :[

This is not your character speaking on the forums, this is you. This thread is questioning your view of the Enclave's moral decisions, not your ingame character's. This thread is asking your actual opinion, not some imaginary one.

The amount of radiation everyone is being exposed to everyday is experimentation enough, and that wasn't brought on by natural means. Unless you count what happens within a developing society on a planet that culminates into a nuclear holocaust natural. I mean, perhaps what happened in fallout is natural. I mean, how many societies can humans compare themselves to? We have NO examples, we are the only planet we know of, and if a few know of another secretly, the general human, from the general populous a.k.a. the mob, does not. And the mob controls the general opinion on things.

So, since humans have no clear, or perfect example of society and can only imagine a perfect one (weather they have the means to achieve this perfect society is another matter altogether.) it's all just a matter of opinion. Really, till that time, all of what we do can be seen as perfectly natural, even the harming of ones own environment.

The meaning of life, a question people probably still ask today, is to survive. That's it, life survives, that's what it does in the universe, so it is it's meaning. Why else would life ever feel the need to devour other life to survive?

Then you begin to discuss the need life feels to develop onto itself and become more complex... Like it was preprogrammed to do that for some unknown purpose (no, I'm not discussing religion.). Then it goes back to a lack of factual information, and then lastly, depression on being stuck in my current time line... *sigh*

Yes, but the Enclave are not real. Therefore you CAN'T justify their decisions in REAL LIFE because they DON'T EXIST. So any argument is for the IN GAME ENCLAVE. Sure, I support the Enclave IN GAME, death to wastelanders! Woohoo! Now if the Enclave were REAL you would have a point.


In fact, us supporting the Enclave is like your average Joe supporting his in game character that murders entire populations. People do it all the time. Are they being put on trial? No, they're putting US on trial.

It doesn't matter if they are real or not. It is clear what they do ingame and this thread is asking what you think of such actions.

Hear, hear!

Such actions IN GAME. In GAME I support it because it's a GAME. We're not talking about REAL LIFE. Pixels mean NOTHING to me. The Enclave are killing PIXELS, not REAL PEOPLE.

I feel like you want to label us as genocide supporters so you can dehumanize us.

It's a freaking game. Get over it. We support the Enclave in the game and only the game. The Enclave does not exist. They are fictional as is the Bos, the Regulators, Reilly's Rangers, supermutants and Three Dog! Do you not understand the difference between games and reality?

OK, I get it man, but let's say they were real and you were stuck in the hellish wasteland. For real.

Me? I'd have offed myself long ago.

But this is about you, let's say you were genetically pure, but not of the enclave. Would you support their decisions compared to others?


My personal opinion? I'd go join the commonwealth, if I were still alive.

Woohoo!
*various crashing sounds*
I know I put those CDs down here somewhere...

My other solution was to have everyone defend their viewpoints in iambic pentameter, but this is much more entertaining.
What were we talking about again?

:lmao:

:woot: Hooray for dance-offs!

Can I get warmed up?

:dance:

I couldn't give you an answer because I have not encountered such a situation. The way you think right now? Yeah, get rid of that. Your mind would be warped if you were in a post apocalyptic setting.

Metrophor: We're talking about why techno > rap for dance-offs.