Because the BoS and 12-year-old writers have ruined their plans over and over again just before they'd show what they are really capable of.

If they were more capable than the BoS, then they would have achieved something. People say that the Enclave are capable of achieving goals, but they aren't. They haven't achieved anythinng, except for the destruction of the world and the killing of other humans, but humanity has moved on and does improve without them. They can't achieve anything simply because they haven't already and they are gone. The BoS has achieved more than the Enclave, even though Enclave supporters insist that the BoS is less capable. The Enclave have failed. They were destroyed in Fallout 2 and they should have remained destroyed. They can't and haven't achieved anything, except the destruction of the world and killing.

I believe its Blind obedience, it was a term my psychology101 teacher used explaining the Milgram experiments.



Don't forget the enclave also achieved human experimentations on a massive scale, created super mutants and centars and really screwed up. The only thing they've managed to do was make situations worse by allowing a nuclear war to happen, created super mutants and death claws which only endangered human race even more. They are not good people in the last bit and deserve to be defeated. BoS is just as trigger happy but at least they want to preserve technology and use it to clean up the mess the enclave started thats a bit more humane than releasing a virus that would wipe 2/3 of the population off the map.

Since this is a video game, its events depend on the mood of the writers. If Fallout 2 was adapted into a real-world scenario, they would have simply pressed the button and cleaned every place and hole of the globe without anyone knowing.

Since the whole idea of the world existing exactly like it does in the Fallout series is ludicrous, then the Enclave wouldn't exist if this was real life. You can't bring the Enclave into real life, as they are just part of the imaginations of Black Isle Studios, and now, Bethesda. They didn't win in the game, so they couldn't win in real life if they existed. The Chosen One would still have destroyed them. You mean they would have won if The Chosen One didn't exist in the same world as the Enclave, but he/she did, and he/she did destroy the Enclave. Now, the Lone Wanderer destroyed the Enclave. They lost and haven't achieved anything other than the state the world is in in the Fallout universe and the killing of their fellow humans. They have lost, and there is no chance that they would have won because they were meant to be the evil antagonists who would lose from the very beginning. To try to change lore is ridiculous and to insist that they would win in real life is ridiculous as well. They couldn't even exist in real life, and if they did like they do in Fallout, the Chosen One and the Lone Wanderer would still have finished them off. The only thing that didn't make sense was the Enclave coming back from the dead in the first place. The Enclave lost and achieved nothing beneficial. Mods and the imaginations of Enclave supporters will never change that.

USA does have plenty of plans for continuity of government. Raven Rock, for one, is designed to be the new Pentagon in case of a nuclear war. Of course, it is questionable how the mini-government would be led.

Things will never turn out to be the situation the Enclave are in. The only way the Enclave would have lost is if the Chosen One didn't exist in their world, but he/she did. This is a video game, only. The lore is set in place. The Enclave have achieved nothing other than the destruction of the world and killing their fellow humans, period. The only thing that the Enclave is useful for is fertilizer.

Why is it that every enclave thread has to erupt into a BoS vs. Enclave thing?

I believe the thread is about if the enclave is evil or not. Keep the BoS out of it.

As for me? I believe they are. Why?

I can't say, because it all contains massive spoilers. This whole thread would be better suited to the spoiler forum.

I'm not talking about the BoS versus Enclave. I'm saying the Enclave are useless and have only achieved the destruction of the world and killing. The BoS part was to show the Enclave aren't the most capable people in post-apocalyptic world. Some argue that the Enclave's goals justify the means, but it doesn't and they haven't even achieved anything while more peaceful groups, like the BoS, have achieved more than the Enclave. The Enclave are only useful as fertilizer and they are nothing more than murdering madmen.

And you sure like repeating that.

With all due respect, it seems as if you are scraping the bottom of the barrel as well. I have nothing more to say than that post. It cuts down to the point and I still have no direct responses to it. It's not as if Enclave supporters don't repeat the same things.

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This happens once every two weeks or so...

Whether they are evil or not depends on your point of view.

I think the writers of fallout3 didn't do a good job at making the enclave an evil enemy in which your character hates. I mean there really isn't any reason to hate them in fallout3, I mean they do try to ruin but that isn't all that personal, I mean dad abandoned your character for the project so there isn't that much attachment towards it, the game made me feel like well jeez nice dad abandoned me for his stupid science project, who cares if it gets destroyed. The enclave just hasn't done anything personal to your character so I could see why people don't see them as evil and like them. Now I'm just repeating again but fallout2 had more of a reason to hate the enclave and the game did a good job at portraying them as an evil enemy.

It can't be any clearer in Fallout 3. Have you seen the Enclave camps and heard about their plan? Those alone make me despise those genocidal maniacs.

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According to Socrates, evil is ignorance. The Enclave easily fit that definition of evil as well as the traditional definition.

Is the Enclave evil. Yes

Evil: morally objectionable behavior

So that also makes the Brotherhood evil, the Outcasts, all the Wasters... We're all evil, everyone in the Wastes has done something morally questionable in my opinion. Yep, the Enclave are evil, but so is 99.999999999% of the Wastes.

I agree with you, but that takes us to the 'karma' system. The Enclave havn't done enough good to not be classified as evil, same could be said about most of the wastes, but some would be 'good' or morally grey.

Regulators would be good/morally grey.

BoS would be at best morally grey, at BEST.

Reilly's Rangers would be considered morally grey.

Enough examples? <_<

We is all evil these days.

I agree with that to, but this is about the Enclave, not them.

There we have it folks, Enclave are evil. Nuff' said.

If you search the Enclave camps thoroughly, you will find that they also have orders to help people who "pass" their genetic test. As in supply them with purified water, food and set them on their way. We don't have enough info on these genetic tests to know how many wastelanders fail/pass. The bodies they burn are usually ghouls', so I'm willing to think most "normal looking" humans pass.

Wasn't really talking about how I feel about their goals, but more so that I just don't feel the hatred towards them in fallout3 as I did in fallout 2 is all. In fallout2 it was personal they kidnapped and tried to kill my family and friends is how I felt. Fallout3 uhhmm well they are shooting at me and want me to do some stupid task. They want to confiscate this stupid purifier which was more important to my dad than I was to him. All and all I do I agree their goals are evil and they are genocidal maniacs but couldn't you say the same about your character? I mean after all the enclave genocide is your choice and in your hands.