Is there one at a time or is there one for every area there at.

One at a time. Enclave only had the Oil Rig and Navarro. President Richardson died and all his top people died as well in Fallout 2. Eden became president because there was no one left.

No, the Enclave has no President or ranks of any kind. The United States Government however is typically known to have one at a time; though there have only been two (Richardson then Eden) for at least 4 decades.

Two that we know of, there were others, we just don't know them. President for life kinda thing.

Well that's rather self evident from what I said isn't it? I believe that the first was called George Washington, but I may be wrong :laugh:; I believe that it is "President until your term is over", Eden was in-charge for so long (and indeed great many number of things) because of Bethesda Magika, I'm already dreading the part where I have to justify it in my Fan-Fic, though I believe that I currently have sometihng of an explaination of events.

I doubt George Washington was a memeber of the Enclave lol.

Still you are right the Enclave have a pseudo USA government going on. Still if you just look at it in terms of presidents that are members of the Enclave, there are only two known presidents and ones not even Three if you include the pre-war president that took off to the rig before the Great War but we don't know his name.

So how do they know when to get a new president, like if he dies or something. Even if the do know when they die how do they decide who will be the new one.

They have vice presidents. So I guess when one kicks off the VP becomes president. Or maybe they do have elections. Still we know they did away with the whole two terms and your out rule.

That reminds me.. Who was the VP in Fallout 3? :blink:

Actually what I mean is that Richardson is President of America, never once does he identify himself as President of the Enclave, in-fact he never even says the word (because it was primarily the name of the [censored] Oil Rig itself, ie, Control Station ENCLAVE, ENCLAVE Vault Control, "ENCLAVE here, why isn't you video feed working?" :swear:). The Enclave was the shadow government, it had nothing to do with the official government at all; more than likely it's members were led by perhaps a council of the most powerful and connected members.

As far as I am concerned there is nothing pseudo about the Enclave, in-fact I would argue that, aside from the old name, the Enclave became obselete when the bombs fell and it's members actually became the legitimate government, assuming of course, that all legitimate leaders not aboard the ENCLAVE were killed, Raven Rock was never used afterall; its function as a backdoor, secret puppet master ended and it simply was all that was left. We don't even know if the pre-war President was a member of the Enclave, Presidents come and go afterall.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession

You should know my feeling about the Enclave by now. I get the idea and I agree they are the United States Government; by the logic that they were the puppet masters, which technically makes them the Government. Richardson does call himself the president of America and not the Enclave, you are right about that.

On topic. The president if going from the first president GW all the way to Eden. There are very large gaps sometime after the 1950s Which would be President Eisenhower.

If you want to get techincal there was 8 presidents before George Washington.

Also my question still remains: Who was Eden's vice president?

I believe that it can be justified properly and... technically legally, if the bible was canon I would have everything I needed to say why... but IT IS NOT. So therefore I will rationally speculate, I personally believed that, during the national emergency of the nuclear holocaust, that the Enclave could form a legitimate Congress, presuming of course that some Senators and such were secretly Enclave members which I personally think is a rather prudent assumption, and propose and ratify any kind of Amendment that they wanted. Maybe, with the growing crisis, the constitution was ademended to allow such things before the war. Whatever. I believe that the Enclave are legitimate, even if only because in the end, all of the surviving Congress were Enclave members aboard the ENCLAVE; it still counts!

EDIT: Eden may or may not have had one, see Bethesda [censored] stupidity, cannot understand the Enclave. Perhaps as he was only an Acting President he never appointed one, see the plothole bananza that surrounds Eden which I and Lt. work very hard trying to figure out.

Technically yes, you are right. The Fallout Bible is still semi-canon. My problem is the means of how they got that power. They did it by means of coup d'etat. They usurped the government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u9JAt6gFqM they are the offical government but I don't feel they are, I guess it makes me a rebel

Do you know who the VP was in Fallout 3? Was there even one?

Would the Enclave really even need to do more than declare themselves the new government?

I refer to the bible because it directly says that Richardson was a member of congress, meaning that one had had to be formed. I see no reason why there was a pre-war Coup, I typically imagine it that the Enclave may have started as a single group within a political party but may have instead slowly just began to have both Republicans, Democrats and propogated the two-party system to hide their operations. Maybe it was just a group of rich people who desided that they could bribe, kill or recruit anyone it needed to get whatever law, permit etc. passed it wanted; that's what I see. Maybe they have assinated or framed candidates to get their own elected to prime positions like Governors and Senators, who knows? The key things though, in my opinion, that whatever people the Enclave had in the US Government, they were elected (if an election is required for the post) and therefore had legal power, even if they abused it quietly.

Eden may or may not have had a VP crap writing. He was probably an Acting President, having suceeded after Richardson's Death, appointing a VP would probably mean that the VP would then immediately take over Eden (I believe that's what could potentially happen, the Line of Succession has barely been used and I think that that was a problem), Eden is a corrupt fool imo.

Probably not, nobody is left alive from the non-Enclave US government to contest them, which is the point, they get to control all of the power, because they could probably justify before a court of law that they thought everyone else was dead and so created their emergency congress acordingly. However, I am hypothesising that they could do it; I mean they seem pretty patriotic and loyal, why piss away all that history when they could just be legit?

Eh.... i dunno how patriotic i could consider the operation as a whole.
Certainly some who had delusions (this is IMO) of grandure in the flavor of patriotism. But sending most private citzens unwittingly into massive experiments shows to me that they have the potential to be pretty unscrupulous.

If they are essentially taking control of the country by taking control of what most people would consider a means of survival, i dont think they would particularly try to convince any court (even if there was one) that they should be the in charge.

I had a great responce but my internet went down and I lost it.

I say they had a coup because they were the ones behind the vaults. They were the ones that took off to the Rig and left the rest behind. They somehow knew the end was coming and they did not tell the rest of the government. By nature the Enclave before the war had to be small in order to remain in the shadows. They sent non-Enclave government memebers to Vault Zero. Raven Rock which in real life is where government would have gone but in Fallout the Enclave made it a back up base. Simply put they left the rest to die and to me that spells coup.

Eden should have had a VP, damn Bethesda's crap writing. I did not even think of that till this topic.

I see the Vault Experiments as the "Ends justify the means", look at their own lives on the Oil Rig, certaily a lifetime away from fine brandy and cigars in an oak panneled room in Washington, stuck on a [censored] Oil Rig in the middle of the ocean in an authoritarian state; they created imposed an authoritarian state on themselves, presumably, IMO, after they starting seeing some of the Vaults decend into Civil War because people wanted to leave, they did have access to all the Vault data from the Oil Rig (see PoseidoNet, ENCLAVE Vault Control). I their opinion, even if they had to live [censored] lives and their decendants merely had to exist so that sometime in the future they could rebuild the government, it was a worthy sacrifice. Richardson's men had orders to kill him as opposed to let anything endanger the Project, that's [censored] patriotism, he doesn't even care if he lives to see them America survive, as long as it does.

What I mean is if, for some reason, they had to justify (maybe to some future generation) why they felt that they could amend the constitution with so few people it was because of the war and they did have legal juristiction.

i cant see the vaults that way, because IMO they don't yeild anythng practical to make them justifiable. My thiinking is a lot closer to what Styles is saying.

I also see the Enclave living better lives in the vaults than on the rig. but that is another thread.

I agree that it would have been awesome for him to have had a Vice President, but I think some of the reason is because part of Eden's legitimacy as a President comes from the fact that the Presidential Line of succession and heck the entire executive, legislative, and judicial branches have been blown to hell post-fallout 2. From what we can see in Fallout 3, the Enclave has been reduced to only army remnants of Navarro and their families. In other words, in real life it would be as if something happneed to make the United States Army the only authority for the country. Eden took command because he was made to prevent the army from running the government (the civilian control of the government and the army) and this is his role in COG (as I see it).

I don't understand, that way I see it; the Enclave used the Vaults as the means to gather data on how to build a good society ([censored] Vault 87 and other assorted lunacy aside :swear:) or at least one which wouldn't collapse. The Enclave were all powerful people pre-war right? That's who you like to imagine them, powerful arseholes sat in big comfy leather chairs with no emotion? They all went to an Oil Rig in the ocean to survive and after some of the Vaults decend into civil chaos they decided to police themselves, at thier own deteriment, to an authoritarian state; because they knew that in the future, as long as they survived, their own suffering was worth it. How's that for people's hypocritical and fascist Enclave which everyone seems to think, that's at least how I think events transpired.

The Oil Rig was a hole, read some of the quotes of the Citizens, they watch [censored] Saftey Films as entertainment. They lead dull, repressed lives; no swing music over the radio for them, just Stars and Stripes Forever forever.

I personally see that Eden would have had to step down as Acting President if he appointed a Vice President, as he certainly wasn't Richardson's. Maybe I'm just biased against him :shrug:

I am sure they could have found someone to be VP. Then that VP could have been president insted of Eden :confused:

If they are sticking to the Good Old U.S of A then they should have had a VP. Eden's VP could have been the go between insted of Augustus. VP could have just been some techy from Navarro. He could have been VP and Surgeon General :celebration:

I wouldn't say he would have to step down necessarily, but I think the issue was that there was no-one who could legitmately fill the position of Vice-President. Autumn would be the logical choice, but then he would need to give up his position as Colonel, which he (apparently) didn't do.

I can see the Enclave as evolving pre- to post war.. but i cant see the vaults as experiments that would help build a better society. I just cant give the science or even Science! of it any credibility in that capacity.

But the fact that they even had the vaults set up with alternate purposes shows that they dont (or at the shadow gov't timeframe) really care to do things through diplomatic means. It would be their hope that they would be all thats left, so ultimately, sure they would try to do things as such, setting up a bill of rights, and so on. but thats after everyone is on the same team.... I don't really see a declaration of independance, as there is no one in any position of real authority for them to claim their independance to or from.