Why? Why can't he? What makes you say that he can't? What in-game or canon evidence do you have that he can't?

Either Richardson contacted Raven Rock or Eden contacted Navarro.


Its the headquarters in the CW and we have no evidence that any other bases were manned besides Raven Rock and Adams, again you are speculating without any evidence to back up your claims.


Which is funny, because I believe Navarro is a little ways beyond that range, and certainly the Poseidon Network extends well past 150 miles considering its connected to the Gecko power plant from the Oil Rig. The Oil Rig to Navarro is something like 174 miles alone (in any case the figure given is that the Oil Rig is "hundreds" of miles off the coast of California). Gecko is on the other side of the map which extends across most of California.

Care to rethink that figure?

You are just throwing out figures in order to back up your claims, without really considering what we know from the game world first.

Why are people still trying to convince evilbastrd that he isn't making sense?

Seriously just give up. This will keep going and going until we reach over 100 or more of these stupid topics. He will not give up, so there is no point trying, its like talking to a wall.

He is wrong and we all know he is wrong. So just let him think what he wants and move on. The more you try to convince him he is wrong you only help spread his lies.



"Trust me, some of these people are not permeable to logic." Funny cause thats what I think when it comes to people like you and evilbastrd. You just don't give a crap about logic in canon. You make up your own crap and call it canon.

Yes and like most games it has rule aka Canon. Just because "its a game" doesn't mean we should ignore canon and logic. Do you really want every Fallout game to be Enclave vs Brotherhood? Cause thats what will happen if we keep bringing back the Enclave as th Cartoon villain of the Fallout Universe.


Quarantine is the best we can do. You see people post things that are totally wrong and they refuse to listen to the truth. Just ignore and walk away.

There is nothing in canon that says no other bases. Nothing. If there was you would have posted it. So why post if you just wanna be a negative nancy? Call my ideas stupid or ignorant, I think they are fairly logical.

Yeah that's what every conspiracy theorist believes. Just like every conspiracy theorist in history, they refuse the facts and make up their own. They even go as far as saying everyone else is wrong, which is what you do.

You can't convince a conspiracy theorist. The best we can do is let them stand on the corner handing out their poorly xeroxed pamphlets and ignore them. Seriously if you try to tell them the truth they will fight you to the death over it. This topic wil keep going until there is a hundred of them.

Because Eden is a stationary object. That is why he doesn't know what happened.

And you are mistaken about RR and AAFB.

Is it not the popular belief that Chicago base was manned by Enclave on way to DC? Then, if that is the case, why on earth would you not leave your civilian crew there? What is the point of taking civilians into a war zone?

As far as FO2 area and comm, I always thought Navarro was used as mainland comm hub for comm between rig and mainland. So, Gecko pp comm is bounced from navarro to rig. That is how comm sat works, it not always a direct line.

Control station Enclave - Gone
Navarro - Gone
Raven Rock - Gone
Adams AFB - Gone
"One" of the outposts in Chicago - Unknown, depends on tactics canon.
Remenents of the west coast - Intergrated or hunted down.
They have minor refuling stations on the mainland - Unsuited for living, only storage.
"I watched as the remenents of the government headed west" - Eden, shows that other shelters were abandoned.

The above is all known facts about the Enclaves location. There is also no mention of an Enclave base on the west coast anywhere besides Navarro.

People just give up. I know you are probably pissed and what to prove him wrong. Doesn't matter because he isn't listning and he doesn't care.

True. Actually canon states a few times that there are government bases here and there in the country. But then there is nothing in canon that states that these wouldn't have been abandoned for more than 200 years.

And if the Enclave is a splinter faction of the, er, original Enclave, then how do you know that the Enclave we see is the original Enclave and that other Enclave(s) you're talking about are the splinter ones? Because the ideology has changed from what it was before the war? Politicians and parties change their opinions over time as time changes. Things happen in society all the time, and people have to adapt. Like our right wing party here in Sweden, they're not still against women's right to vote, or against there being a worker's union, or supporting the nazis (I hope) but as time changed, they changed their politics. And right now they're our government, calling themselves "the new worker's party" spouting things that our left wing party, former majority govenrment for decades, used to say (while the left wing party now is just a mess). Anyways, not allowed to mix in real life politics here, so I get to the point - don't you think that the entire world being nuked and set on fire, billions of people dying and the rest turning into zombies, huge green beasts or just simply mutates extra teeth or toes is a big enough change for a political group like the Enclave to change their ideology somewhat? I think so.
And then if we're gonna talk about this "other Enclave(s)" who are in other bunkers over the USA, since they haven't had any contact with the oil rig people or any other possible Enclave group out there, wouldn't they be completely different? Would they even call themselves the Enclave? I mean, it would just be some different faction without APA, Vertibirds or plasma rifles that probably also has a different ideology. It would be even less like the BoS splinter factions, because they all originated from the same group and bunker and they all know about their origin.
I don't think that the Enclave would walk from Navarro all the way to Chicago and D.C. to on the way check the other pre-war bunkers for fellow Enclave and be like "Yo, we're Enclave too, check our emblem!" and they'd be like "Oh. Seems legit, we'll join your cause and follow you to Raven Rock. So, what's the plan then? Killing off humanity? Oh ok, seems like the right thing to do."

Everywhere is a warzone, why leave your civilians where your main force isn't? Don't answer that, I'm done with this circular back and forth arguement.

See yeah later.

And that says absolutely nothing about what he does or does not know.

Eden says he watched remnants of the Government retreat to the west coast. We have no solid evidence which contradicts this claim by him. So he did. YOU need to prove that he didn't.


Oh really? Prove me wrong.

I said that we have zero evidence of any other bases besides Raven Rock and Adams during the events of Fallout 3. So I take it you have evidence that there were other bases in Fallout 3 then?

Please, share.


That's not the point. You said that communication was non-existant past 150 miles (so you thought) I proved you wrong and showed how ridiculous a figure that really is. Therefore, proving that you are indeed just pulling figures out of thin air in order to back up claims.

Eden contacted Richardson or Richardson contacted Eden: further proof of some form of long distance communication.

Yep, thats true. Even in fallout 2 there was some character that said that enclave has lots of bases in all over the wasteland/usa.


It is not about should the enclave be in fallout 4 because they NEED TO BE IN FO4. Bigger, stronger and badder than ever.

No one in Fallout 2 says there are Enclave bases all over the united states.

How about you try and read some of the facts and play the games before you jump on the conspiracy theory band waggon.

Name him.
No they don't. Fallout did quite well without them, and can continue to do so.

Yes, I did. You completely ignored Chicago, which according to the popular vote came before they occupied RR and AAFB.

There is not a single line where Eden says he contacted the rig. Not one. How can you say there is proof they contacted one another? Nowhere does that appear in game.

I said my number was best guess, not a fact. You pull out 24 more miles and say it is a victory.

Enclave combined history is pre-war, that is the origin of their group, exact year unknown. BoS is post war group. That is where there history begins.

In fact, BoS is a classic example of nothing left to lose, wander the wastes and they find a good base. At least when the Enclave went east they knew of a specific location to find a pre-war CoG base. Which they also know was equipped with a ZAX. Seeing how they manned Chicago on way, if they arrived DC and found RR destroyed, I would imagine they head back. Or maybe go AAFB and use another fort, like Independence for DC operations.

I would imagine they would have left a military presence with civilians in Chicago and not just drop them off with a box if purified water and say C YA!

Perhaps he is referring Richardson saying there were several plans to survive the war.

Okay, what is the point in arguing, if public demand is for the Enclave, Bethesda are going to find some way to implement them into the game! Its a game, not reality, Bethesda could say to us there was an Enclave Space station made before the war the size of Europe, another spawn on Enclave emerge, i wouldn't complain.

Doesn't say there are several bases. They might have had many different plans but they settled on Control Station Enclave.

The Entire Enclave leadership went there and the Entire Enclave leadership died there, Eden being the only exeption. The Enclave at Navarro talk about how the Oil Rig and Navarro are the only active manned Enclave bases.

This is confirmed by Fallout 3 and New Vegas and their game guides.

It would't make sense. That's why. Yeah Bethesda can say the Enclave are from Uranus if they wanted too. But it wouldn't make sense. It would make the game stupid.

How many times do we need to fight and destroy the Enclave? Its been three times already. Think of something else Bethesda.

Why are people so mindless they want the same crap over and over agian. How about something NEW!!!

If you want the same mindless crap over and over again but with the latest graphics, go play COD or MW3.

I want new stuff also, i never said i didnt. I would like it if the Enclave were minor, not the major villains. 'It doesnt make sense' neither do aliens in a giant space ship having a big standoff. But hey, they put that in.

P.s. MW3 is COD

Lmao. Richardson does not say, well we had several plans but settled on only base, the rig!

He says the rig was "a part of these plans". A part. Not the whole plan.

Not every person in Enclave know everything. Need to know basis. They are not all omnipotent. Nor does FO3 game guide say the very last of all Enclave went to RR.

Fact is, we do NOT know all of the Enclaves pre-war plans.

You must of had a party the day the timeline and bible was no longer canon, because that did support my ideas.

Its one thing to have the Enclave as a small minor faction doing their own thing, in the game. I wouldn't mind that. As long as they aren't trying to take over the world.

But when you said "Bethesda can make up what ever they want" is what made me think you want them as the evil super villain again for the next game. The evidence shows they are dead. So unless the next game is in Chicago, we shouldn't see the Enclave in any significant numbers.

Also I am not sure why I said MW3 and COD.

It doesn't make sense to have one base for a CoG plan, either.

The Vaults were apart of their plans Raven Rock was apart of their plans. They went to the Rig, their entire Enclave leadership was there. They all died when the rig went boom. The people of Navarro talk about how Navarro is the only Enclave base on the main land.

There is a mountain of evidence to support what myself and others are saying. All you have is "he said plans." Our evidence counters yours big time. If they had other plans, so what? We will never know what they were. What we do know is the Enclave are all but dead.


It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you evilbastrd. There is alot of stuff that doens't make sense to me in Fallout 3 that I just have to live with. The facts have been proven by me and other thousands of times by now. You just don't give a crap about it. All you have to go on is the word "Plans" and your opinion that all the Enclave being on the rig was stupid.
Thats all you got and yet you managed to drag this out over several topics, including those on the past and I am sure it will go on for several more.



Your idea that the enclave on the rig were a splinter group is flawed and only based on your idea that the Enclave putting all their eggs in one basket is stupid and "he said plans."

Yes it does if that base is perfectly safe and the only way to destroy it is to get inside of it and ruin the nuclear reactor.

This is my last post here.

And would not all CoG bases be a part of that plan? RR is a real thing, you do lnow this, right? It is, just like in the game, a CoG base. There are 5 or 6 other CoG bases, that we know of, and who knows how many top secret ones. With all the vaults being built, and the heightened sense that nuclear war could be imminent, common sense dictates that there would be more CoG bases and bunkers, etc than exist in the real world.

All of those bases and CoG facilities were pointless, unless they were used. You want me to believe that the govt and corporations and the Enclave had these measures to survive the nuclear war and DID NOT USE THEM???? Hey lets build all this stuff, and NOT use it, except the rig and RR... That not only doesn't make sense, but downright silly.

Then you want me to believe that if there were other Enclave, they left their shelter, trekked across the wasteland, with destroyed infrastructure, radiation, radioactive critters, then if they somehow survived all that, to find a boat with the capabilities to sail the ocean, and find a rig???? Heck, I didn't realize all Enclave were master sailors and I forgot these ships would be all over the place following a nuclear war.

Lets see, you also claim every member of the Enclave is omnipotent and that following a nuclear war, communications are still intact and Eden can contact a rig over 3000 miles away.

And you say I make no sense and my ideas are a wild conspiracy theory... LoL.

Oh and not to mention that as soon as they magically made this cross country journey, they are assassinated. Thanks for making it here, but you are no longer a pure human. Bang.

But guess what? There is no canon that says this happened. Eden would only know about DC area, and their fate would be unknown to him, just like he has no clue about the fate of Navarro or FEV.




There is no safe base when dealing with a nuclear war. This is why basic principle of CoG is multiple bases. The Rig is not nuke proof.