The crawler wouldnt have been the sort of vehicle anyway to traverse the continental united states an atv it certainly isnt some stats are, has a mass of 2,721 tonnes – 3,000 short tons (2,700,000 kg; 6,000,000 lb), the crawler's tanks hold 5,000 U.S. gallons (19,000 l; 4,200 imp gal) of diesel fuel, and it burns 125.7 gal/mi (350 L/km), plus at a maximum speed of 1 mile per hour (1.6 km/h) loaded, or 2 miles per hour (3.2 km/h) unloaded, this wouldnt be a vehicle i would be thinking of making a quick get away in. Also throwing a track, i would not want to be the one who gets the call to go replace the track, it has eight tracks, two on each corner, each track has 57 shoes, and each shoe weighs 1,984 pounds (900 kg) plus it would never cross any decent river. But this reminds me of the set of novels, The Amtrak Wars the main group in that are a bit like the enclave, and you wonder with the tech level of that time you wonder why they couldnt have made a wagon train vehicle like from the book, and if its a 1950's thing, the crawler was made for the apollo missions which was the 1960's not the 50's.

Its a 50s leaning time split. The m4 was made in 1994 and its in fo nv as the assault carbine.

woooo...umm i might be wrong...but i was fairly sure that the enclave existed on both sides already. from before the war...the enclave was a group already in existance...plus ED-E is sent from adams airforce base to navarro...insiuating that the east coast had no knowledge of the west coast enclave's demise....many years earlier...

You are, Eden says that Raven Rock was a continuity of government location, ie, an official location. For whatever reason it was never used and for equally dubious reasons Augustus Autumn's father led the majority of the Enclave from Navarro to Raven Rock. ED-E being sent to Navarro is likely due to Navarro's loss being classified foe the sake of moral, its been done before.

The Enclave who fled to the east knew about the destruction of the Rig. They were however, unsure as to the status of Navarro (which they had left intact).

There is also the fact that the virus (and its vaccine) they developed on the oil rig would kill every human in the world except for those that got the vaccine (all in the Enclave on the oil rig that is), so they would've killed their friends on the east coast. I also don't think they had any contact with them, and it would be too much of a hassle to fly the vaccine to them with vertibirds considering that they have to be refueled like every 300 mile. And the Enclave at the oil rig would have release the virus to the world just hours after the Chosen One blew them up, so there's no time they'd send a vaccine to the opposite coast.

From Richardson:

{273}{prs54}{You could try, I suppose, but soon the staff of the Enclave and Navarro will be inoculated.}

That may be what happens in a office building, but when a alarm goes off in a military facility.....especially a ship or something out in the middle of the ocean like a oil rig...people don't "just stand there and wait until someone fixes it". There are people who are tasked with dealing with such things and they will start showing up there in seconds. Those not tasked with dealing with it go to where they can wait to be called to help deal with the problem, or other duties they are directed to assume in the case of that type of emergency. Drills are run constantly to make sure everyone knows what they are expected to do, and will often be sent to refresher training to make sure thier skills are fresh. Out in the ocean you cannot call the fire department....either the crew deals with the situation or dies.

The problem is the Oil Rig was not an active Oil Rig. It was also a place full of civilians. When the alarm went off, no one did a damn thing. Maybe they were waiting for a "special team" to deal with it. I doubt everyone on the Rig would jump into the ocean everytime an alarm went off. Enclave let their guard down. Spent over a hundred years on the Rig before they decided to do something about the mutations on the Main Land. I doubt they ran drills as often as people on a active rig would or a military ship for a hundred years. Seeing as no one did a thing when the alarm went off, I am right.

Actually almost everyone on the Rig makes constant references to frequent drills:

Enclave Citizens:
{113}{}{Just another drill.}
{133}{}{Another drill?}
{137}{}{I get so tired of these drills all the time.}

Enclave Scientists:
{119}{}{Just another drill.}
{138}{}{Must be another security drill.}
{139}{}{Don't those troopers ever get tired of these drills?}

The final one being the most important, what do you think the US Army does all day? Nothing needs guarding or patrolling on the ENCLAVE. As for the military personnel:

Enclave Soldiers:
{114}{}{This is no drill, repeat, no drill.}
{136}{}{This is no drill.}

Really, Black Isle just didn't programme any responses for some reason; clear indications that somethimg should be happeneing:

Enclave Soldiers:
{137}{}{Get the civilians to safety.}

Yet nobody moves, just lazy programming; regardless of whether the people thought that the alarm was a drill the troopers knew that it wasn't. There is no excuse, drills were frequent, the soldiers indicate that people should be getting to saftey under their supervision; yet nothing.

EDIT: Are people really immune to reading quotes? Maybe you just need to be a nut who has them all favourited live me :shrug:.

So you are saying that when the alarm went off on the Rig, no one did a damn thing? They all just sat around and said "hurr hurr must be nothing"? If so thats foolish in my opinion. Some number of Enclave soldiers must have got off.

Edit: I would say The Enclave just disproved you right there Styles. Its clear that some troopers knew what was happening.

Thanks to your tireless effort in all things Enclave you have proven me wrong when I said I doubt they do alot of drills. Still you have also given men a reason why they did not care. Way to many drills. So many drills they did not give a crap when the real thing happened.

No one moved because they did not care, not lazy programming.

Can you explain this quote then?



or this one



Now because we know that most of the Enclave died on the Rig, you are right in saying that the majority did not get to safety. But I think its fairly clear that at least a few must have, and certainly some knew what was really going on and attempted to evacuate.

Something I predicted, hence why I included that the Enclave soldiers knew full well what was happening; the citizens listen to the troopers:

{140}{}{The troopers will take care of us.}
{141}{}{Where's a trooper when you need one?}

A trooper comes up to you and says, "This is not a drill," those pale bastards are going to do what they are told and go where they are told. Yet even the troopers didn't move, more evidence of stupidy on somebodies part:

Enclave Citizen:
{115}{}{That's the reactor alarm.}
{116}{}{Uh, oh.}
{117}{}{Better find some Rad-X, again.}

Sergeant Granite:
{152}{}{Oh, yeah. Tell me another one. If the reactor's scragged how come the light's are still on? Huh, smartie? Heh, heh, tell me another one.}

Whomever was responsible for that travesty of dialouge - by which I mean everything that Granite says, he knows that you are a tribal and does nothing! - needs a punch.

Conflicting quotes only tell me that things were very confusing on the Rig. Know one was really sure if it was real.

The Enclave squad that you can talk into helping you is the only one I can see that made it off the Rig.

I am not saying some did not get off the Rig, I am just saying there was not a mass exodus. No "Save the Women and Children First!" Not enough got off the rig to explain why there was so many Enclave in Fallout 3.

It was more like:

"Do you know what's going on?"

"Hell if I know"

"Jim says it is the Real Thing."

"Really?"

"Maybe we should just wait for orders."


Ten minutes later..... BOOM!

Not enough alone no.

Some getting off the Rig combined with numbers from Navarro though...we're getting close.



Did you read those quotes? It seems some troopers knew it was real.

I read the quotes. Some knew or felt it was real. I am just saying that only added to the confusion about wheather or not it was real. During drills like that don't some people have to say things like "this is not a drill" to make it seem real? It would not really be much of a drill if those in charge just said "Listen up everyone. I know it is a pain in the butt to do this on Friday but if we all just do our part we can get threw this."

If anyone was to get off that Rig it would have been those in control. Since there was no one with any power to become president other than Eden. It is safe to say that very little or no one got off the Rig, unless they were on the tanker.

A couple people that got into a Vertibird and took off would not even begin to add up to the numbers we saw in Fallout 3 IMO. Not even close. If they were Loyal they would have tried to save the VIP of the Enclave. Again since no VIP were around to be president. That did not happen.

You are right there was confusion, but you said "no one knew if it was real or not" and clearly some did. Now wouldn't you think that the first thing those that knew what was going on would do is head to their nearest vertibird? Some tried to help civilians sure, but I'm positve that a few vertibirds were able to get off with some men inside.



Not necessarily. Just because the leadership didn't escape doesn't mean that a few troopers who managed to get to some vertibirds didn't.



It may not completely explain it, but we are one step closer. Say just 50-100 managed to escape. Well thats 50-100 more people that can reproduce and fight in Fallout 3.



Have you ever been in a fire drill before? That's exactly what happens. :tongue:

Sorry to jump in late, soeone had said about the alarms that there would be specialized people that would deal with stuff.


In the US Navy, theyre called Damage Controlmen. I cant imagine a society that was built out of government workers would wouldnt have an equivalent.
Even if there were drills all the time, you know when youre executing a drill and not, as drills are sceduled.
In any instance of a drill or a real event, there are instuctions that follow.
Usually you'll have General Quarters called. The Enclave might not be entirely military, but given that they are on an oil rig. which i would guess is smaller than an aircraft carrier, structure like this would be paramount becuase theres not really anyhwere to go, or anyone coming to aid people on the rig.



I do like the idea that was mentioned in here earlier that the Enclave would have been in other places besides the oil rig, but mostly because it doesnt make sense that everyone would come primarily from DC, all the way across the continental US duing a nuclear war, or even set it up as the main plan as a contingency for the threat of nuclear war

I can't say for sure no one got off the rig. Still I can only see a few if any that did. If they were loyal they would have tried to save people not book it for the closest Vertibird. Only citizens would have been the ones to get off the Rig. I would guess only those in areas close to them would have got out. Still my thinking is, the entire "USA government" is on that Rig. Any and all Vertibirds would be for them to get off the Rig. How would it look if you managed to save the president from a fire, got him all the way to the hangers only to have the last Vertibird take off full of cleaning people?

I think this is what http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGL53OrRglo jk

Who's to say that they did? The Enclave was composed of people from all facets of the pre-war power elite, they would have been scattered all over America; they must have evacuated earlier, hell Roger Maxson announced his desertion and, basically, takeover of Mariposa Military Base and nobody responed for three days until the bombs fell, that last week must have been hell... and somewhere in that hell people were packing bags and escaping to California.

Enclave only had the Rig and later Navarro. Enclave left for the Rig long before the Great War. There is no mention of any bases outside of the Rig. Fallout 3 also tells us that there were no Enclave in the East till after the events of Fallout 2 and this backed up by New Vegas.

I suppose just because they ended up in cali doesnt mean it was the only plan, and sure they had people all over.. but it still inst a very good strategy to set up your possible post nuke headquarters as far away from the core of your leadership you can get and still be in the same country.. unless your strategy is in thinking maybe youd juke them out psychologically by having the rally point so far away.