[Sarah Unwin]

Even the enclave says the enclave is evil. Right on the money though. They seek to purge everyone that isn't them. This remnant of the United States Government needs to be eradicated with extreme prejudice for the good of the people. I for one will leap at the opportunity to once again put them to the sword should it present itself.

[lucile]

Well yeah, I'm not a moron. Never understood how people could be svckered in by President Eden's rather obvious and on-the-nose lies. I like them for different reasons.

Besides, what people seem to forget is that the pre-war US government was [censored] evil anyway. Absolute wall-to-wall dikes.

[Felix Walde]

Everyone in the Enclave, except Eden, gave up on that by the time of Fallout 3 though.

I would really like to see an Enclave driven by Autumn's ideals, without the taint of a idiotic machine mucking it up for everyone like Eden did in Fo3.

[SEXY QUEEN]

They were never about it anyway tbh. Not in the sense that everyone thinks of anyway.

Autumn was a dike as-well though and the writing surrounding the entire events with him don't even give a clear picture as to his motives.

[CHangohh BOyy]

But killing off any Super Mutant or Ghoul is perfectly fine. It is easy for people to not care about killing off monsters just because they look different. The Enclave might have lowered their requirements of what it means to be human, but that is just a drop from 100% to 99%. If you are 95% human, then prepare to run as fast as you can from the Enclave because you will either be dead or a slave depending on the mood of the Enclave Commander.

[Maya Maya]

The main antagonists will likely just be the Institute.

[Eibe Novy]

The research stations we find in the wastes don't seem to be too benevolent, IMO.
To me they may not be pitch black- without JH Eden, they're still midnight on a new moon night.

[Darlene Delk]

Is it, because there's nothing really wrong with Ghouls? Feral Ghouls were just a creation of Bethesda anyway really and didn't factor into things when the Enclave created their plan in Fallout 2.

[lisa nuttall]

There was only one research station in Fo3 that talked anything about killing people.

All the others were either observation posts, with no notes/terminals explaining their purpose, and stations that researched local wildlife.

[Jay Baby]

To be fair, if we're thinking of the same one near Canterbury Commons. It doesn't explicitally say that it killed people IMO, they could have just logged them... and confiscated their weapons...

[stevie trent]

Hmmm
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_3_Enclave_outposts_and_camps
But, even without that- If there were only one research outpost, and FO didn't use a lot of abstraction- this is the policy regarding Enclave contact with citizens of the wastes. Their structure as a faction would mean bureaucracy, which implies this rationale was something discussed and thought of enough to get it past the red tape and into the field as orders that are to be obeyed. Deliberate and with purpose.

[lucile davignon]

Dude, you don't need to go into that level of justification. There's other camps where they are literally burning the piles of bodies with flamers.

[Michelle Chau]

Thank you for proving my point.

Except Eden is shown have absolute command over anyone, with no sort of cabinet, or anyone besides Autumn, to have to pass decision through in order to get them passed.

And we already know both Eden and Autumn hated each other, yet also refused to countermand each other's orders, up until Eden lets you out anyways, in order to prevent dividing and weakening The Enclave.

[Adrian Powers]

but that could be construed as cleaning up a bunch of bodies they just happened to find, while they were minding their own business.

[yessenia hermosillo]

that there are multiple research outposts?

There is a structure to the Enclave. It is never intimated that JHE shapes all policy. Augustus is the Commanding Officer of the Army branch of the Enclave- would you suggest he is simply a mouthpiece for JHE, or is it possible that he (and others) are capable of issuing orders and coming up with military and research plans?

[Luis Reyma]

Given the small size of the Enclave and Eden's nigh infinite capacity for digesting information as a computer, I don't think that it's unreasonable to assume that he is pretty much involved in everything. I mean Christ he can presumably access anything that's recorded on a terminal and listen to every transmission, probably multiple at once being a machine. Others might certainly propose things but I can't imagine much got done without the omnipotent President's approval.

[Kayla Bee]

Yeah.

I wouldn't suggest it, becuase its explictly stated in the game. NO ONE talks to Eden except Autumn, even the guard outside your cell who tires to stop you form leaving is told he was never authorized to contant him(Eden), and that he is to be sent to get new orders for his error.

No one talks to Eden outside Autumn, ever. And before him, only Autumn's father ever got to talk to Eden. That is sort of the whole basis behind the "no one knew Eden was a robot besides Autumn" thing.

[Curveballs On Phoenix]

Super Mutants and Ghouls are victims of the people that founded the Enclave. We don't know the process that turns a ghoul into a feral ghoul. It could be a process that happens to every ghoul or it could be that they lost their will to remain human. Living in a sewer for two hundred years certainly doesn't help. Even if turning into a feral ghoul is a natural process, then there is no right to kill off all ghouls now because in a few decades or centuries they will turn feral.

[Mariaa EM.]

We see in Raven Rock an officer approach one of Eden's eyecams and speak to him directly for confirmation that the Lone Wanderer is supposed to be free from prison. That he would do so is indicative that it has happened before or he wouldn't have done it in the first place if that wasn't the proper channel.

He might not be "authorised" to contact him the same way that someone can't just barge into the President's office for an audience, but it doesn't indicate that Eden never talked to anybody ever.

[Tiffany Castillo]

I don't recall that, I only recall that one guy you get stuck in a conversation with who contacts Eden over the radio and then gets yelled at for the fact he wasn't supposed to do that.

I don't recall ever seeing another Encalve soldier after that, but before Autumn tells them all to kill you.

[Ally Chimienti]

No we're talking about the same guy, the officer who accosts you outside of your cell. My point is that just because he wasn't authorised to "interrupt" the President (as he would think Eden is a person at a desk or something) doesn't mean that Eden didn't talk to anyone. There'd be a time and a place, you can't just barge into the POTUS's office whenever you like but I can't see Eden not ever talking to anyone, surely he'd need to maximise what-ever presence he could manage to maintain his sick cult.

[Lisha Boo]

Meh

[Adriana Lenzo]

I don't know, I always took the conversation to be he wasn't supposed to talk to Eden ever.

Eden does say
"Very astute! Many people are content with a reassuring voice of authority, and never question the lack of public appearances."
I took that to mean he just gives speeches and whatnot over the Raven Rock PA system, not that he ever talks to anyone directly besides Autumn.

[Suzy Santana]

No I agree, obviously public appearances are impossible. But that's why I think he'd maximise his audible presence, interjecting himself into everything no matter how minor, involving himself on matters as small scale as he could manage so he's presence as an omnipotent quasi-deity, that would have people's last words be "For Eden", is just accepted. You know how in 1984 Big Brother is just everywhere and nobody really questions the fact that he's obviously not really a person? That's how I saw Eden's rule myself.

I mean the officer, Lieutenant Williamson, knew that speaking to an Eyecam would give him a direct line to Eden and that it wasn't just some security camera; that would suggest Eden's used them before right?

[Erich Lendermon]

I guess.

That or he knew Eden watched everything through the cameras, and went up to one and started talking to it based on the assumption that most people would probably respond if you started talking to them via a camera everyone knew you watched from.