I like the factions in New Vegas with their stories and all, but we have to admit. The Enclaves would eat them and *censored* them into bricks.

The Enclaves know how to welcome a player. I miss the fully armor troops being air drop right front of me, it shows that I really did a good job.

..But the Enclave has already been defeated in the West.

You do know the Enclave is FROM the West Coast right? Fallout 2? Yeah, they lost. Chosen One kicked their asses, then NCR swept up the left-overs.

This.

Forgot about that....

I was just remembering how strong the Enclaves are in Fallout 3 compare to those factions in New Vegas. I can picture a helicopter dropping enclaves into a NCR out post.

Enclave was stronger on the West before they got defeated in Fallout 2, Fallout 3 Enclave were awful.

There is no CNN or Fox news in this post nuclear war game. No one would really know how many Enclave remain in the world. There r no global hawk drones to fly around the world and find out. Those Enclave people may have been defeated but there is no solid proof that there are not 100,000 men just outside the boarders of the map. Enclave can surface when ever the writers want them to where ever they want them to. Because no one knows for sure. Enclave from fo3 would destroy anyone in fonv. The human enemys in fonv are not equiped well at all they are all a cakewalk besides a few special people and I play on hard hardcoe and never fast travel. My followers rarely ever die and they are stupid. FO3 Enclave killed me some and took out most of my followers too. only the indestuctable mutant follower could stand and take Enclave check point punishment for long. Legion has junk wepons and i m not interested in sword fighting. Those losers are usually all dead before they know where i am.

No they won't. They were a small branch of ex-government officials and military personnel, that thought they were above the others. They only saved the people that they thought would be important to their cause. There was never many of them, if there had been it wouldn't have been a shadow government.

And Enclave has been taken down twice by people who barely knew how to use weapons when they started their quests. It's probably true that Enclave could take down the NCR and the legion in Mojave, but in reality NCR is much stronger than they seem to be in Mojave. They are a full blown nation, not some remnants of the past with a impressive storage of pre-war weapons. NCR has a lot more production than Enclave could ever dream of having with their fascist übermensch mentality. Gunrunners have the means to produce energy weapons for NCR, but they don't ship them to Mojave because they always got raided. Basically even if Enclave was able to rise against the NCR and they would be eventually cut down by militia and guerrilla warfare by NCR.

I understand what both the Enclave and NCR r to the best of fallout lore knowledge. To fully understand the NCR id need a current map and a census of cali. that wont happen. NCR hasn t even pushed past the states that boarder cali. I wouldn t call them a nation but a state. Enclave is much harder to track because they are shadow like. They just pop up. The u.s is really alot of ground not to mention all of north and south america. For all we know there was a huge base in Wyoming and Enclave people went there during the war. 220 years of babies later we really dont know what it has grown to. ED E is a 20 year old example on Enclave R&D and production his story is recorded on him. I know Enclave produced eye bots because of the recording on him. I also know Enclave did the R&D and production of the fo3 Hellfire armor. You think all Enclaves weapons r pre war but i just don t think so. The R&D of plasma rifles is pre war but if they built eye bots and power armor 20 years ago they built rifles.

I always got the feeling in fo3 that these Enclave came from somewhere else. Raven Rock to me is just one of hundredes of bases just like in and all around the u.s. I dont think those were 220 year old verti birds in fo3 I think they were new. Old R&D new production but just not in the DC area. If they build eye bots they can build v-22 ofsrey. I dont even know that Eden is dead because he was a mainframe at a base. He could be in 200,000 mainframes and there could be 1000s of raven rocks. Hidden Valley in fonv is one of those bases just no Enclave at that one. The writers decide these things. Just as i gave u this little story writers can use the same rational. We don t know because there is no way to get enough info in this fo world. Enclave had a leg up one everyone because they were a part of the u.s. govt and probably other govnts too. For all we know England might be a bustling Enclave country. They ll be back they r the only people worth shooting because the actually shootback mean stuff

You can't build huge amount of secret bases with tax payers money if the whole government wasn't involved in your conspiracy. What comes to the 220 years of babies, they couldn't withstand uncontrolled birthcycles, if they wanted to keep the human strain pure out of mutation. And yes Enclave had some manufacturing capacities, but they were limited as the soldiers with t-51b power armor in the Oil Rig prove, NCR has much better chances of having appropriate capacity for manufacturing equipment.

And what comes to the NCR being a nation it is. United States was gone with the bombs and there are a lot smaller nations in the world right now than the state of California.

true ok we ll call them a nation but we still can t see outside of the map. We don t know what s a half mile outside of the map let alone the whole world. Enclave may have been many nations governments. Just because they didnt say doesnt mean its true. They dont really want you to know how big they r IMO. They bid they re time and impose when they want. They just lose because they are like bad guys. Better than spear chuckin legion tards with a used up cowboy repeater though .

I dislike the Enclave and their ideals. They were nothing but a government not unlike nazis Germany. Hey you aren't exactly like us... so we have to kill you. Well just like any evil dictatorship they rose.... and fell. Ever evil deed thats ever been done was done with the best intentions

Hate the Enclave

I m not saying i like them just that they r better harder bad guys. If you want guys throwing spears at you or trying to run at you with a stabing weapon from 50 yards away while you r shooting them then Legion and fonv bad guys r great or powder gangers or fiends they are all weak and grossly under equiped compared to me and ed e and any other follower. Now Enclave isnt shoting you with a used up 10mm pistol they were set up and had weapons and armour that made them hard. Plasma rifles gattling lazer cannons plasma mines and grenades controled death claws laser turrets the list goes on and on. My men died when i fought the enclave i even died a few times. the people in this game im hoping i get hurt sometimes. they r weak. I play on hard and hardcoe too no fast travel. I dont even use the best weapons and i still crush them. Once you r past level 17 or so deathclaws and the supermutants on black mountain and ceaser s tent r they only things that can possibly kill me.

I hope the Enclave never come back as anything more than remnants. I want Fallout to have unique villains for each game, and it was stupid rehashing them in FO3. Its convinced a bunch of newbies that they're the Bowser of Fallout.

lets put it this way im way more worried about the game freezing so i save every 50 yards. that is my biggest enemy in fonv or it gets real slow and choppy. Those are the most powerful enemies in the desert because i just shut the game off. fo3 frooze too but the set up and enemeies worried me more. i still saved every 100 yards though. The freezing might be worse in nv or it might be so boring that it seems worse either way fonv s worst enemy is fonv. ecluding the dlc that is a little different than the main game. i didnt notice if that frooze because it had alot of other stuff to worry about. im sure i still saved every 100 yards out of hadit though.

Wait... You had trouble killing the Enclave troopers? Are you serious?

Ok, a lot of things in FO3 were harder than kill than most of the things in NV, but Enclave troopers are not among them. Hell, I could kill them with a [censored] hunting rifle.

Wow....you guys are so serious....who cares if the enclave were defeated in the west....I still want to have fun and....they are awesome....I do not care about the realism.

Im all for other enemies if you want but a copy of a civilization from around the time 0 bc is not unique its stupid. we play a game that has mini guns plasma weapons a 50 cal sniper rifle that i have never even used because a scoped hunting rifle and ap rounds r all i need and our main enemy throws spears and picks up what they can from the battle field. Well u can tell they dont do well on the field of battle becase the shoot junk weapons. Hoover dam is the only time Legion has good strong weapons and u see no one with a machete on that dam. and the beast of the east now that guy was hard problem is we re talking about the very end for the legion to show. the rest of the game they r scrubs.

wow put in fallout 3 put it on hard have the broken steel download and walk up to the check points by that town that had the antagoniser and the mechanist walk to those check point and attack them however u want with a .32 cal fo3 hunting rifle and then come back and tell me how it went. There is another checkpoint somewhere around where you go to do the alaska dlc try that one with a fo3 hunting rifle.

the 3 that they land across from the library right there by the pentagon all 3 have plasma rifles they use the cars as cover once they are blown up they make good cover for the rest of the game for those guys. just go ahead there on hard with your .32 cal fo3 hunting rifle that does 25 max damage if u have 100 in guns and 100 in repair and those 3 troopers will slap u. They wont pull out some machete and run at you they will use the cover and start shooting u until u r dead. even if u hide by the divide on the road they ll come out and get u scraqed

They've gotten their asses handed to them on each coast by practically one guy.

lol its true lol but that is how fo works you r like 100 men at all times. i m just saying its way easier for the one guy to crush the legion.

If I cared about realism I would be playing IL2 sturmovik instead of Fallout. I enjoy rich game world and a good story, instead shooting up the representatives of the same faction over a dozen of games. If I had my say I wouldn't be crawling the better part of my 50 hour playthrough in some dungeon killing the 3000th enemy to come across my way and "having fun", but instead spending the better part of it exploring the story.