Enemys too passive! : IV

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:37 am

Her is my modlist/loadorder

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Masters for: quicksave.ess00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.5]0D  CURP_Controller.esm0E  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]0F  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]10  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.4]11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]13  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]14  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp17  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]1A  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2]1B  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2]1C  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]1D  MouseCast.esp1E  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.1.2]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]1F  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]20  FormID Finder4.esp21  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.42]22  Streamline 3.1.esp23  DLCVileLair.esp24  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]25  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp26  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]27  DLCThievesDen.esp28  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]29  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2A  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]2B  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2C  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2D  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2E  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]30  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]31  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]32  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]33  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]34  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]35  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]36  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]37  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]38  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]39  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3D  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3E  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot G&GD.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]3F  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]40  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]41  FCOM_ArcheryHunting&Crafting.esp  [Version 1]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]42  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]43  TheElderCouncil.esp44  TheElderCouncil_TempleOfTheOne.esp45  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp46  DLCFrostcrag.esp47  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]48  RTT.esp49  Mighty Umbra.esp4A  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp4B  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3]4C  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp4D  MannimarcoRevisited.esp4E  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Ruin.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  FCOM_OMG.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]51  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]52  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]53  xulTheHeath.esp54  XulEntiusGorge.esp55  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]56  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]57  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]58  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]59  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]5A  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]5B  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]5C  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]5D  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]5E  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]5F  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]60  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]61  xulPantherRiver.esp62  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]63  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]64  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]65  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]66  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]67  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]68  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]69  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]6A  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp6B  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]6C  Enhanced Vegetation [150%].esp6D  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90b]6E  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]6F  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]70  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]71  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]72  MidasSpells.esp73  Oblivion XP.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]74  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]75  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]76  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.9.1]77  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.1]78  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]79  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]7A  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]7B  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.9.1]7C  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]7D  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]7E  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]7F  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]80  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp81  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]82  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

could it also be a setting i have in the bashed patch? feels like a very immersion breaker, they attack only after i try to talk to them. pleaaase help, im so close to having a good stable fcom setup to enjoy, if it weren't for this little nuisance.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:11 am

Typical symptom of AI overload, fixed by using an FCOM reduced spawn plugin. Wait 4 days for a respawn after adding it. You have some other issues in the LO as well but I'm on the iPhone so too much of a hassle to comment on them.

EDIT: OK, on a computer now so here are some additional notes:

0E Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] - Import NPC faces into the Bashed Patch and keep unchecked, otherwise it will override OOO's NPC stats.
0F Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] - As above to save a slot.

32 OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0] - Consider updating to the latest version. Import stats and keep unchecked.
33 OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0] - As above.
34 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0] - Don't use as you already have those settings with FCOM.

3C Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Don't use with OOO/FCOM.

Also, I know xul Snowdale needs an OOO patch so you might want to check if some other ones need patches as well. Not using UL so not sure.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:40 am

I know 2 more possible causes:
maybe you have high fame (or infamy, because they are evil), personality and speechcraft which make their disposition higher than their aggression,
or maybe you have joined (somehow) their faction.

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:08 am

they attack only after i try to talk to them.

I find this happens often even in a vanilla game when I play characters with very high personality and/or fame. I hadn't bothered to give it much thought until just now because I'd never heard of anyone else having the same weirdness with it. What are your character's stats & fame/infamy, if you don't mind me pestering you about it? Does it still happen on a brand new character?

Edit:

I know 2 more possible causes:
maybe you have high fame (or infamy, because they are evil), personality and speechcraft which make their disposition higher than their aggression,
or maybe you have joined (somehow) their faction.

Sorry, we must have been posting at about the same time. Have you also experienced this?

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:39 am

I know 2 more possible causes:
maybe you have high fame (or infamy, because they are evil), personality and speechcraft which make their disposition higher than their aggression,
or maybe you have joined (somehow) their faction.

I find this happens often even in a vanilla game when I play characters with very high personality and/or fame. I hadn't bothered to give it much thought until just now because I'd never heard of anyone else having the same weirdness with it. What are your character's stats & fame/infamy, if you don't mind me pestering you about it? Does it still happen on a brand new character?

I've noticed this too, during both my plays-through. With me it's not bandits who act nice, but highwaymen and not all those. It's the ones who initiate dialog and demand cash or combat. Some of them simply give me a warm greetings and nothing else. I normally treat them as kind-hearted souls who might yet renounce their evil ways, and let it go at that.

As I recall, my current avatar's fame is a bit over 200. He has no infamy, and in fact earned only two infamy points throughout his career...one very early on for reasons that now elude me, one much later when he absentmindedly removed his helmet in the Imperial City while on a Legion road-patrol assignment. Both incidents were corrected almost immediately.

(He also has only around 30 assaults to his credit, and got many of those during another bout of absentmindedness while cleaning out dungeon filled with evil humanoid residents. He forgot that initiating sneak attacks on such folk counts as an assault. He'd racked up nearly ten assault points before realizing his error.)

I believe his speechcraft is maxed, with a personality over 100 (thanks to some mod-awarded stat bonuses).

There have been rare occasions where important quest NPCs who should have been hostile weren't. That can be tricky if one hopes to keep to the straight and narrow.

-Decrepit-

» Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:16 pm

Sorry, we must have been posting at about the same time. Have you also experienced this?

Yes.
The first time with a disguise mod: I run into some bandits, but they didn't attacked me with the bandit disguise. This because when you put a disguise, you automatically join the related faction.

The second time it happen by playing as a noble. (High fame, personality, agility and luck, high speechcraft, mercantile, block and blade, no armors but magic clothes with many magic shields/resistances/boosts).
Well, the high fame, personality and speechcraft raise everyone's (even evil guys) disposition to above 90-95. Also some bandits try to defend me from a daedra (the only ones that attacks even with 100 disposition).

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:03 am

Typical symptom of AI overload, fixed by using an FCOM reduced spawn plugin. Wait 4 days for a respawn after adding it. You have some other issues in the LO as well but I'm on the iPhone so too much of a hassle to comment on them.

EDIT: OK, on a computer now so here are some additional notes:

0E Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] - Import NPC faces into the Bashed Patch and keep unchecked, otherwise it will override OOO's NPC stats.
0F Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] - As above to save a slot.

32 OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0] - Consider updating to the latest version. Import stats and keep unchecked.
33 OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0] - As above.
34 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0] - Don't use as you already have those settings with FCOM.

3C Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3p3] - Don't use with OOO/FCOM.

Also, I know xul Snowdale needs an OOO patch so you might want to check if some other ones need patches as well. Not using UL so not sure.

Wow ok, lemme fix this. thank you soo much for the information!

» Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:04 am

I noticed some other issues with your Load Order- On the TESNexus Cobl page there is an extra download http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21104/-called Loot Drop Merchant changes Proposal- This should bring your Cobl to version 1.73.
There is a newer version of the MMM-Cobl.esp [version 1.73] available from the MMM thread also.
In your Bashed Patch in Tweak Settings there is a tweak for AI:Max Active Actors-You can adjust this to the MMM Default :40, or make it as high as 100, there is also a Combat: Max Actors setting-I use 40, but I am not sure if I actually could raise the value.
I have had this issue because of having too many active processes, but I have had a highwayman growl and tell me to just leave him alone, because of a high reputation,but have the process glitch cause a group of bandits do absolutely nothing ten minutes later.
EDIT there is also a newer version of OMOBS and OMOBS-SI (version 2.0) available now on TESNexus.