I wish it had other uses besides on very hard difficulty. I have no use for it. If I'm going to sneak, I'm going to use a more powerful weapon. Its purpose just seems so narrow.

Quit whining. This was all about tribes. You got a good reason why there would be enrgy weapon tech in Zion? I'm shocked that there are even plasma mines here.

You got Old World Blues, so don't worry about it. Its nice that they came out with stuff for melee users for the prime focus.

Y U NO LEIK TAZER GUN!?

I love it, try going against a Deathclaw, moon it, then taze it and laugh like the Annoying Orange as you pull out AER14, Tri-Beam, Holorifle or Multiplas.

Great. I'm glad energy weapons got a joke weapon instead of a valuable one.

I'm whining about the continued disparity between energy weapons and guns. Honest Hearts was about tribals, that's fine. I really enjoyed Honest Hearts. I just want a better spread of energy weapons. I thought Obsidian would fill out energy weapons throughout the DLC packs, but that's not happening. We got the Holo-rifle in DM and the Compliance Regulator in HH. The Holo-rifle was great, but the Compliance Regulator is pretty mediocre. Meanwhile in DM, gun users got the Automatic Rifle and the Police Pistol. Both are decent to good weapons. In Honest Hearts they got the very good .45 Pistol, a unique version and the .45 submachine gun. Guns was already a great skill, now it's even better. There's so much variety and choice. I want the same attention given to guns. With Guns you have a few distinct paths. You can choose shotguns, "modern" weapons or "cowboy" weapons. With energy weapons you start with lasers and progress to plasma weapons. It's not as if laser weapons and plasma weapons are both viable choices in their own right. It's just depressing. I do hold out hope for Old World Blues.




Great. I'm glad energy weapons got a joke weapon instead of a valuable one.

Energy weapons are supposed to be far and few between. They were meant in the first two games to be high end weapons you use end game. They should be powerful but they shouldn't be as common or diverse as regular guns. Melee weapons should be even more diverse. Energy weapons from a lore stand point were barely in their mass produced pace.

Quit whining. This was all about tribes. You got a good reason why there would be enrgy weapon tech in Zion? I'm shocked that there are even plasma mines here.

You got Old World Blues, so don't worry about it. Its nice that they came out with stuff for melee users for the prime focus.

I would feel worse for you if Explosives weren't pretty much over looked. Guns are my favorite, but explosives are a close 2nd.

Gas bomb is crap and the molotavs are fairly rare. the Stashes have some ammo, but the weapons themselves have been very overlooked.

Exactly. I don't get why people whine about the lack of Energy weapons. Like Plasma Casters are going to be as common as Hunting rifles or something. And plus, doesn't that make the Energy weapons more unique? That they're more rare and hard to find just makes them cooler, and it's not like you need them to repair the others with how easy weapon repair kits are to get. Plus OWB is gonna take feature a bunch of new energy stuff so relax.

And for anyone who thinks they're underpowered go take a look at your skills and perks or something. The weapons are balanced fine.

The only thing I think is an issue is they need to make an Energy weapon equivilant to Grunt and Cowboy.

That's completely true. Explosives are worse off. However, just because there are worse cases doesn't mean energy weapons are fine.



Energy weapons are already much rarer than guns and explosives. The costs for maintaining energy weapons and ammo is also more expensive. It's not that energy weapons need to be the same as guns, it's that they should be getting as much attention. All weapons types should be, but that's another topic. Energy weapons don't have the same modability or ammo choice. I would argue that guns are by far a more efficient and cheaper way of getting the job done. The hunting rifle and This Machine can be acquired early, and stay effective the entire game. The AEP14 and Q-35 are arguably harder to get and will have to maintained much more often. And yes, energy weapons needs a grunt equivalent.

As all of you who use energy weapons as your weapons of choice know by now, our weapons svck. The DLC's seem to mock us. The holorifle is good, but it's just a reskinned grenade launcher. Most "new" energy weapons are just 3 rifles taped together to form an inaccurate crap gun that drains ammo like crazy, same with most of the unique weapons. The latest DLC however, was the greatest insult to us currently. While hardcoe guns and melee character's recieved a wide variety of firearms and modified impalements of death, we get a friggin' tazer. My laser pistol does more damage than that thing, you better hope you get a critical with that grey brick, you'll need the 10 seconds to spam enough shots into your enemy.

Now hopefully the next two DLC's will make up for this middle finger to energy weapons characters, as it is hinted in with the Divide in Dead Money. But what are some energy weapons you would like to see, use your imagination.

I personally would like to see a lightining gun. The tesla cannon is good and all, but this thing would shoot a constant stream of electricity instead of a bolt. It would do moderate damage over time and would drain electron charge packs. It would have to be a rifle though, to make it differant from the flamethrowers. And it wouldn't have the problem of plasma rifles either, it would not have a massive amount of tubes taking up the screen abscuring your view.

No they dont, EW was supposed to be scarce and unique

As a note, the Survivalist's caves have a fair amount of EW ammo and workbenches. We also added a new recipe in HH to convert Fission Batteries to Energy Cells.

As a note, the Survivalist's caves have a fair amount of EW ammo and workbenches. We also added a new recipe in HH to convert Fission Batteries to Energy Cells.

Wait ... How is the holorifle "just a reskinned grenade launcher"

Energy vs explosives.
Single target + DoT vs AoE splash damage
Pump action vs break action
Night vision scope vs range guesser
Straight shot vs arc shot.

Yeah, not really seeing any similarities, unless you're just talking about the general shape of the weapon, in which case, every single rifle is just a reskinned *other rifle*


Fwiw, holo (with mods) is my favorite energy weapon, displacing Q-35. Sure the big unwieldy things like Tesla Cannon are fun to look at, and fire once or twice for novelty. But they'll never be good weapons for consistent use.

If anything, melee and unarmed are due for something awesome in the next DLC. In dead money, melee gets a couple knives and knives on a stick ... Thrilling. Unarmed got the bear trap fist, which was alright. It was ruined for me though, when I stepped in the 400th bear trap in DM. Seriously, hope you took light step. In HH: melee gets a warclub, which looks kinda cool, but is somewhere between a lead pipe and tire iron for damage (both weapons available within 20 min of a new game) melee gets a cool toy at the very end of the expansion, but it's just a "reskinned power glove"

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110417200914/fallout/images/1/18/Holorifle.png
http://images.wikia.com/fallout/images/c/c2/Grenade_launcher.png

Reskinned was not the best word. Last minute design sounds more like it.

Damn it, he went offline. Guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow...

As a note, the Survivalist's caves have a fair amount of EW ammo and workbenches. We also added a new recipe in HH to convert Fission Batteries to Energy Cells.