Can your mod play several pieces of mp3s with 3-4 seconds of length consecutively in a certain pattern? If you can do this, we can put the music from Infinity Engine games such as BG2 to the game. The music in those games was built from small blocks of mp3's so that the combat music would end with an appropriate smooth ending after 4-8 seconds of the end of the battle, there was no fade-out or abrupt ending. If you could implement such a thing, it would be wonderful.

hey, this is great from what I can tell, haven't really played Oblivion that much since it seems to have done a complete 180 on me in terms of game stability, but one issue I've noticed is the title music plays while loading the game from the main menu, i.e. the oblivion theme tune plays for 3 minutes while the game loads my savegame first time

I don't see this an issue. I like my title music pretty much, replaced it with "Riding the Wings of Destiny" from Eternal Testament. I can hardly resist listening till the end, before I'm able to press the load button, so any more time it's playing is good on my account. ^_^

Anyways, I have to report some apparent incompatibility to "Musical Immersion 1.0" with the current release. It was still working before, I just missed the title, now it's no longer working anymore. All tracks blend out soon after they started, leaving me at best half a minute of music each time it changes. That's sad but understandingly inevitable. Now I'm waiting for the next release of MI and will see if it works again then. If not, I have to step back from EMC for a while until yet another, compatible version of IM is released... or I will just randomly switch which one of them is "exclusively" controlling my music playback.

It's just annoying when the game crashes often - sometimes I think, "okay, I'll play again" and load up the game..but my loading times have become hellishly slow takes a good 3 minutes to load from the title screen, so during that time the same song is looping over and over...and then every time the game crashes and I decide to play again...have to go through the looping again! Most of the time when the game does crash though I just think, "**** it" 'cause I can't be bothered going through the loading process again

in the default game it would select a public/explore track randomly depending on where you was which gave more variety

Thats a long load time. But, at the moment, I wasn't able to find a way catch the music type when it first loads. I'm not sure why, since its clear Oblivion does it, and I've got a sensor practically every place where Oblivion issues a "change music" command. Must be a different function in there somewhere... Hmm... I was also hoping, when I was programming it, the data that is saved into the save game would cut the title off at the load screen, but the so called savegame callback function doesn't execute until just before the program enters normal gameplay. So, I'm sorry you hate the title music, but perhaps I can at least help you in another way.

I used to have real bad stability problems too. You know what fixed it? A great tool called FCOMHelper. A large group of people went to great trouble to determine the proper load order of over a thousand mods to promote the best stability possible. I say go and give that a run and see if it helps. It cut my crashes down from once an hour to... Well... Maybe once in a day, if even that.

I hope this helps you out.


Ack, well, sorry. Since I'm effectively ripping out Oblivion's in-built engine, you can expect old music mods to have difficulty. It will, likely, come down to special versions of these mods having to be created as I progress with my plugin.


Nope, but I've kicked around similar ideas. I remember System Shock 2 used the type of music system you just described. I was also thinking of a system where you would have two similar tracks running side by side, and then you would cross fade between the two. If you've ever played a Klonoa game, you'd know what I was talking about. So, when you're not in combat, it'd be playing a simple, relaxing tune, and then when you'd enter combat, it would crossfade into a more upbeat and intense version of the same tune. That would be alot of fun, I'd think, to compose. Shame I know nothing about musical composition.

But, anyways, they're both good ideas, I think, but it would require content to be created before they could be used, and then there is the issue of how you handle all these different ways to play music. I'd imagine you'd have to completely discard the old music altogether. So, in the end, I had decided to stick with the basic rule: Keep it simple, stupid.

I can probably just edit the ini to remove the title screen. yeah my load order's been sorted by FCOMHelper (my save is 210 hours into the game) but it's only lately real bad crashes are happening

The new version is working much better! Title music is back (yay), and the switching from explore to battle to explore music is smoother and works every time. Love it to death... the only thing I could wish for now is that when I bring up the game, the music would pick up from the track it left off at when I shut it down (or my video driver crashed, lol), instead of starting over at the beginning of the songs. Is there any way to make that happen?

wow I experienced this earlier, fighting Vampires in Lipsand Tarn!
amazing man, really immersive, as I killed the final vampire out of a group the music faded away perfectly with the body's fall through the air

I think i found a small bug/issue. When there's only one track in a given folder, Oblivion CTDs when that playlist is supposed to start playing. At least that's what happened when i changed my Battle-folder to include only one track, blank.mp3. I made a copy of it with a different filename in the same folder and now it seems to work.

I'm not sure if it's worth fixing, but it might be good to point out in the readme.

You know what would be cool, if someone edited the Echo Chapel Chant mod to use Enhanced Music Control to mute your regular music when you enter a chapel. As it is now, the regular "public" music plays in chapels over the chant music. I imagine someone who was sorta smart could script this pretty easily, just detect the chapel cells and use the mute function.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14868

Just an idea. Too bad I'm not schmart enough to know how to do that...any volunteers???

Or better yet, convert the chant wav's to mp3's to save space, and use Enhanced Music Control to play those special chant mp3 in a random order upon entering a chapel! So clever.

First, I love this plugin.

However, I'm not sure it's working like your description. Let me re-phrase that...

It is working, but it seems as though I hear the same several songs before I think I should. With close to 100 songs in my explore folder for example, it should be a couple of hours before I hear a repeat.

Are the default playlists dynamically created each time oblvion is started?
If I add new music to the folders, do I need to script a new playlist? Or unistall and re-install the plugin?

Thanks

Nice mod! I really appreciate the lack of sudden track death when switching to a new song, and the fact that short interruptions go right back to the song at hand.

Also, I have a few suggestions if you would care to hear me.
Would it be possible to allow the user to specify the length of the fadeouts & fadeins? Some people might prefer to have a longer, more gradual fade. Additionally, it would be neat if one could specify a chance that, after a track ends, music will not begin again for a user-specified range of seconds. All this could be done in an INI file, I believe, for example:

FadeOutLength: 1.5
FadeInLength: 3.0
SilentGapChance: 0.33
SilentGapMinLength: 30
SilentGapMaxLength: 120

What do you think?

Yes. The contents of the default playlists are defined when the plugin is initialized each time Oblivion runs. The order of the tracks is also randomized whenever the playlist completes a full cycle.


No. The plugin uses the default folders to aquire it's music each time Oblivion is run. Only if you want to use non-MP3 music, use a wildcard to select tracks, or retrieve tracks from a different folder from the defaults does it require the use of scripts. If you add music while Oblivion is running, you will have to restart Oblivion to make it use that music, of course.


Anything is possible. As it stands now, I'm not ready to enable this capability due to the fact that the music player can't be interupted while its fading. Here is a basic example that explains why I'm waiting on this:

1) User sets the fade out and fade in times to something high, like 3 seconds.
2) User enters a dungeon, Explore music begins fading out.
3) User fights a clanfear while the music is still fading out.
4) Music has faded out, and the dungeon music begins, then promptly begins fading out to start the combat music.
5) User kills clanfear, and exits combat before the combat music even began (it is still queued, and will play, though).
6) Dungeon music faded out. Starts Battle music, then promptly begins fading it out.
7) 3 seconds later, Battle music faded out. Dungeon music now resumes and fades back in.
8) 3 seconds later, Dungeon music is faded in.

Yeah, you can blame me for it. I did program it like that, and its not bad for short fade times. I figured its something I would fix later on. But, at the moment, I'm not really wanting to work on it. I tried to today, but I just couldn't find that programming groove. But, I want to enable this ability, for sure.

I finally figured out what is "wrong" with this plugin. I really do like this mod and think it is one of the best additions to Oblivion. I won't play without it now.

I know you've coded the control to create a playlist on Oblivon start-up and that once the playlist has played though, it resuffles the list and starts over.

However, if there are more songs in a folder than will play in a single game session, every time you start the game you hear that folder's songs in the same order.

This is what is happening in my case and probably to others with the same set of circumstances.

I have 163 songs in my explore folder. Since I rarely play for more than an hour or two in any session, maybe I might spend 45 mins or so in the explore zones.
Ergo, 20-25 songs will be played. So the next time I start Oblivion, the playlist is exactly the same as the last session.

In your next release, it would really be a greater enhancement to either ramdomize the default playlist or, even better, somehow tag songs played in previous sessions and on the next game session create the default playlist with these at the end of the list.

Thanks for a great mod

There is definitely something not right with the randomizing, but I'm not sure that's it. I have about as many songs in the Public folder as I do in Explore, and the songs do randomize when I'm in Public. They don't in the Explore folder, no matter how long I play (haven't yet made it through the whole list, I was getting sick of hearing these first songs so I finally renamed them to be further down)--the playlist doesn't change from game session to game session, or from savegame to savegame.

After some extensive testing - i.e. saving and restarting Oblivion several times in Public cells, Explore cells, Dugeon cells, and entering a Battle several times from save and restart.

I've found that the only section not randomizing is the Explore playlist.
The others do randomize on startup.

So there is something wrong with the Explore code.

Looking forward to a corrected release.

After following the development of this mod from the beginning, I am now enthused enough that I believe I wish to do some actual work myself. More specifically, I fancy trying my hand at creating a more nuanced music system for Oblivion by use of the controls afforded me by this mod.

So, to the point: Getting started is always the hardest part of any project (excepting, of course, the follow-up and finishing of said project ), so I'd be much obliged if HawkleyFox, or indeed any other person with the necessary knowledge could introduce me to the methods I must use to accomplish my goal.

I have little experience with scripting for the Elder Scrolls, and none whatsoever with using OBSE in this manner, but I do have some experience with programming and have yet to encounter a scripting language I couldn't pick up through a few weeks of fumbling around.

Point me towards tutorials or similar, impart sage advice directly, or, you could of course ignore me, though that would discourage me from making a long overdue contribution to the community.

Alas, I have no clue either.
But, there is the Wiki - Try this link.

http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/Start_Your_Mod

Wow, this is brilliant! I've been needing this since I started putting my own music into the game, and mudcrabs ruin my soundtrack. Thanks to you, that's a thing of the past!

Bug Report: I've noticed in 0.7 loading a game saved in an exterior is causing the title music to keep on playing :blink: until you enter an interior or combat.

I've gotten around to starting work on the music-controlling mod I mentioned earlier. Attempting to utilise the tools given me by this mod to make the music system more interesting. Unfortunately, I've run into some problems, and I've found the scripting tutorials less than comprehensive. Is there anyone here who'd be able to tell me why this code:
[...]
printc "Am I in a cave? aaAJNMControlQuest.location = %g" aaAJNMControlQuest.location
elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.location == 2
printc "I am in a cave."
[...]
prints "Am I in a cave? aaAJNMControlQuest.location = 2" in the console, but not the "I am in a cave.", nor executes any other statements within that if-block?

You should post more of the script to see if there are flow control problems elsewhere.

This is pretty sweet I've been looking for something like this for quite some time (since morrowind in fact - ugh!)

Yees, I thought about that, but the script is somewhat extensive. Still, it's true that the most likely cause is I've overlooked something. Sho, har we go:

EDIT: bugger, how do I get a scrolling codebox?
EDITEDIT: Oh, right.

ScriptName aaAJNMUpdatePlaylistsScriptBegin ScriptEffectStartshort musType;aaAJNMControlQuest.location indicates location thusly:;1 = Oblivion realm;2 = Cave;3 = Fort;4 = Aylied Ruin;5 = SI Roots;6 = Sewers;7 = Castle;8 = Oblivion citadel;9 = House (inside)/Village (outside);10 = Cellar/Basemant;11 = Town (or rather, anywhere with sidewalks)if emcIsMusicSwitching == 0	set musType to emcGetDesiredMusicType	printc "Am I in a forest? aaAJNMControlQuest.forest = %g" aaAJNMControlQuest.forest	if aaAJNMControlQuest.forest == 1		printc "I am in a forest."	;##Forest		if aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 0 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 3		;##Night			if musType != 4				emcChangePlaylist musType "NMFNE"						Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMFNE. See console for details." musType				emcPrintPlaylist "NMFNE"				endif			emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMFNB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMFNB. See console for details."			emcPrintPlaylist "NMFNB"			elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 1 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 2		;##Day			if musType != 4				emcChangePlaylist musType "NMFDE"						Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMFDE. See console for details." musType				emcPrintPlaylist "NMFDE"				endif			emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMFDB"					Message "Music for Battle changed to NMFDB. See console for details."			emcPrintPlaylist "NMFDB"			endif	endif	printc "Am I in a cave? aaAJNMControlQuest.location = %g" aaAJNMControlQuest.location	elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.location == 2		printc "I am in a cave."	;##Cave		if aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 0 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 3		;##Night			if musType != 4				emcChangePlaylist musType "NMCNE"						Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMCNE. See console for details." musType				emcPrintPlaylist "NMCNE"				endif			emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMCNB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMCNB. See console for details." 			emcPrintPlaylist "NMCNB"			elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 1 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 2		;##Day			if musType != 4				emcChangePlaylist musType "NMCDE"						Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMCDE. See console for details." musType				emcPrintPlaylist "NMCDE"				endif			emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMCDB"					Message "Music for Battle changed to NMCDB. See console for details." 			emcPrintPlaylist "NMCDB"			endif	endif	printc "Am I in a town? aaAJNMControlQuest.location = %g" aaAJNMControlQuest.location	elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.location == 11		printc "I am in a town."	;##Town		if aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 0 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 3		;##Night			if musType != 4				emcChangePlaylist musType "NMTNE"						Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMTNE. See console for details." musType				emcPrintPlaylist "NMTNE"				endif			emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMTNB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMTNB. See console for details." 			emcPrintPlaylist "NMTNB"			elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 1 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 2		;##Day			if musType != 4				emcChangePlaylist musType "NMTDE"						Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMTDE. See console for details." musType				emcPrintPlaylist "NMTDE"				endif			emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMTDB"					Message "Music for Battle changed to NMTDB. See console for details."			emcPrintPlaylist "NMTDB"			endif	endifendifEnd

Everything below the "Am I in a cave?" printing line will only get executed if "emcIsMusicSwitching" is something else than "0" due to the interfering "endif -- elseif" combinations at the end and beginning of each location check. I think you intended those checks to be all run one after the other, so "elseif" is definitely wrong there. If "elseif" indeed was intended to be there though, the "endif"s before each "elseif" must vanish.

As I can't make a sense of the "printc"s when the "elseif"s are intended, I think this is the script you intended:

ScriptName aaAJNMUpdatePlaylistsScriptBegin ScriptEffectStart	short musType		;aaAJNMControlQuest.location indicates location thusly:	;1 = Oblivion realm	;2 = Cave	;3 = Fort	;4 = Aylied Ruin	;5 = SI Roots	;6 = Sewers	;7 = Castle	;8 = Oblivion citadel	;9 = House (inside)/Village (outside)	;10 = Cellar/Basemant	;11 = Town (or rather, anywhere with sidewalks)		if emcIsMusicSwitching == 0		set musType to emcGetDesiredMusicType				printc "Am I in a forest? aaAJNMControlQuest.forest = %g" aaAJNMControlQuest.forest		if aaAJNMControlQuest.forest == 1			printc "I am in a forest."			;##Forest			if aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 0 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 3				;##Night				if musType != 4					emcChangePlaylist musType "NMFNE"					Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMFNE. See console for details." musType					emcPrintPlaylist "NMFNE"				endif				emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMFNB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMFNB. See console for details."				emcPrintPlaylist "NMFNB"			elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 1 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 2				;##Day				if musType != 4					emcChangePlaylist musType "NMFDE"					Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMFDE. See console for details." musType					emcPrintPlaylist "NMFDE"				endif				emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMFDB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMFDB. See console for details."				emcPrintPlaylist "NMFDB"			endif		endif				printc "Am I in a cave? aaAJNMControlQuest.location = %g" aaAJNMControlQuest.location		if aaAJNMControlQuest.location == 2			printc "I am in a cave."			;##Cave			if aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 0 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 3				;##Night				if musType != 4					emcChangePlaylist musType "NMCNE"					Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMCNE. See console for details." musType					emcPrintPlaylist "NMCNE"				endif				emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMCNB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMCNB. See console for details."				emcPrintPlaylist "NMCNB"			elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 1 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 2				;##Day				if musType != 4					emcChangePlaylist musType "NMCDE"					Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMCDE. See console for details." musType					emcPrintPlaylist "NMCDE"				endif				emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMCDB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMCDB. See console for details."				emcPrintPlaylist "NMCDB"			endif		endif				printc "Am I in a town? aaAJNMControlQuest.location = %g" aaAJNMControlQuest.location		if aaAJNMControlQuest.location == 11			printc "I am in a town."			;##Town			if aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 0 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 3				;##Night				if musType != 4					emcChangePlaylist musType "NMTNE"					Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMTNE. See console for details." musType					emcPrintPlaylist "NMTNE"				endif				emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMTNB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMTNB. See console for details."				emcPrintPlaylist "NMTNB"			elseif aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 1 || aaAJNMControlQuest.timeofday == 2				;##Day				if musType != 4					emcChangePlaylist musType "NMTDE"					Message "Music for musictype %g changed to NMTDE. See console for details." musType					emcPrintPlaylist "NMTDE"				endif				emcChangePlaylist 4 "NMTDB"				Message "Music for Battle changed to NMTDB. See console for details."				emcPrintPlaylist "NMTDB"			endif		endif		endifEnd

The ".location" checks though could be done with "elseif"s, this would also speed up processing, but then at least the "Am I in a town?" line would be far out of place where it is.