am from US, and yes, only someone who has no idea about either would compare the system to slavery. They WORK yes, but it is in no way inhumane, nor are they beaten or killed if they do not do it

yalls view on slavery is to abuse the work. slavery is working for someone without pay. it can be to pay a debit. abuse has nothing to do with abuse

It is not a sin to kill for the right cause. Taking up arms to defend your home, your family, etc. is not the same as taking up arms to kill your neighbor to take their car. Nor is it the same as letting someone slowly die of an infection you could have prevented. Besides, my second point extends well beyond morality. Look at the pragmatic list of reasons I gave for wiping out raiders. And even if it didn't, the discussion is about whether or not enslaving raiders is evil, so morality is an inherent part of the discussion. Many people have gone "But I'd be a nice slaver!" as a way to excuse it. But if you're going to own the fact that you are advocating inhumane treatment, I can at least respect that. I'd discard the silly notions that such actions are going to make raiders reform though.

And I find it disturbing that you look at your citizens as expendable. "If the slaves rebel, they'll only kill a handful of people who would otherwise be alive if I hadn't tried to enslave violent/psychotic murderers." Even supposing my methods fail to protect every citizen at the same rate yours die (say, ten in an attack), you lose the man power of any slaves you put down, plus however many they managed to kill (suppose another ten). You've lost more than I have, and that second string of deaths was entirely preventable.

I love the lack of coherence in your last statement. "Abuse has nothing to do with abuse."

Whatever you say. My point is that slavery (depending on the culture) could be far less cruel than the wasteland itself. Would it be acceptable in a first world society? Of course not. You have certain cultures like Caesar's Legion that are absolutely brutal to anything that lives. I'd be willing to bet that the NCR does something very similar to slavery, just under a different name.

Please explain to me how outright killing someone 'for the right reason' isn't a slave but forcing them into dping work for the betterment of your society is. I don't buy that at all.

You seem to have missed my point about the casualties. A riot most likely wouldn't cause any more bloodshed than the initial attack, especially since at best the slaves now only have workers tools while the citezens have actual weapons. You have to be especially incompetent to suffer heavy losses in that situation. Plusonce you kill the raider/slaver then what? Both travel in groups, and once the initial force doesn't return they are going to send a heavier force. With slaves they might not be fighting for you willingly but they make fine meat shields. And before you might try to point out that they can turn around and just get a weapion and be a threat again you have to be incompetant to let that happen.

Like it or not cultures thrived in part to slavery for a long time.

I really don't know.

I'd propably let them choose their fate.

If they prefer being shot in the head to being a slave, who am I to complain?

Definitely ain't worse karma than outright killing them.

If they give me trouble later on I can still shoot them.

I see only two other ways to handle them.

Prison? A waste of resources in a harsh environment to sustain a life that tried to take mine (and propably already took a lot more). Not an option.

Letting them go, warning them to better themselves, or else? Yeah right, better get bad karma for their future crimes instead of for taking care of them.

I've always played my RPG characters (the good ones anyway) along one rule: People who don't respect other peoples human rights (freedom, living free of harm) don't have the right to claim them for themselves.

Simple, easy, fair.

The only reason why I can't decide on THIS particular matter is that slavery... actually OWNING another human...

Let's just say I imagine that its not healthy psychically.

Edit:

Why the hell is everybody that is totally against enslaving a bad guy automatically assuming that the slave is gonna be tortured and abused?

Also most seem to be totally fine with him getting killed....

So if abuse and torture is a problem, but you don't mind killing him - is it better to simply shoot him if he decides not to work?

I mean he has a CHOICE. A choice between death and something different must be better than simply getting killed, right?

Edit2: How the hell does a gameforum keep spawning threads about deep philosophical/moral/ethical questions anyway....

I think some mayy be trying to justify outright killing them to like euthanizing them.

Anywho this thread reached its limit posts ago, someone make a new one.

I think some mayy be trying to justify outright killing them to like euthanizing them.

Anywho this thread reached its limit posts ago, someone make a new one.

Captured warriors were, via being ransomed or being sold in to slavery, an important reward for victory.

It also gave ancient warriors a good reason to not kill those trying to surrender.

New Living Translation:

"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he may serve for no more than six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom."

The Spartans in times of emergency would offer their serfs/slaves, the Helots, freedom if they would serve and fight.

The Romans would and did arm trusted slaves.

The Roman system also had mechanisms for slaves to earn their freedom so this was less risky then it looks.

For example, Caesar's mail system was traditionally ran by Freedmen.

There has been many different types of slavery.

And slaves did some times have rights.

Not that some of the powerful didn't chose to ignore them.

Slavery has always been ripe for abuse.

The American South was one of the worse examples, thanks in part to a perfect storm, due to colonization, racism, the growth of cotton, coffee, and sugar plantations, and the perfect setup of the triangular trade.

We paid and continue to pay a very heavy price for it.

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