I hope he is part of the Thief's Guild, I really want my Mask back!

Then play Oblivion!?

The Thieves Guild needs to be ran by a Gray Fox.

I don't see why not... I personally think it would be awesome. I mean, it's not like the Gray cowl wouldn't be around, so why wouldn't the thieves guild still follow the gray fox?

You're the Grey Fox! You're under arrest for...for...for all kinds of things!

In all seriousness, if he can be as old as he was in Oblivion, I don't see a reason for him not to be in Skyrim. On the other hand, Would the PC of Oblivion becoming Guildmaster be canon?

the gray fox might not but i'm pretty sure he made enouugh of an impact to be heavily referenced. I could see Nocturne rewarding you with his mask as for helping her out.

he could have just passed it down to another and you knoe ext ext

it is canon, though it doesn't doesn't specifically state the COC became the Gray Fox but that the curse surrounding the Cowl was lifted and Corvus Umbranox became part of history again.

I wouldn't like to see the Cowl in Skyrim though, it was meant to be a Cyrodiil thing and the unique identity of the Grey Fox.

I think that a Gray Fox, of sorts, will still be hanging around... Why wouldn't he/she? :foondrink:

i think it would be cool if it was a lost item of the thieves guild and part of the main quest would be to find the cowl

Maybe the characters great great great grandson from Oblivion is now the Gray Fox and you are meeting your great great great grandson as another character. Ooooo, trippy.

What do you mean by how old he was? The gray cowl was passed down from master thief to master thief, the new head assuming the curse that came with it. To anyone else it seemed like the Gray Fox kept on living indefinatly, but that was only because they couldn't tell the difference between the old head and the new head of the guild. The curse whiped them from the history books, and they litterally became the Gray Fox. The CoC would be the first person who was allowed to continue with his normal life after taking the cowl.

At any rate, any action the CoC could take is technically Cannon. Some things, like if you slaughtered all possible people in Cyrodiil, aren't cannon simply because it's to far to the extreem to be writen in. So within reason, everything is possible. Hence why we get so little word about what happened to our past hero's. All we know is they went off somewhere never to be seen again.

The reason why the CoC won't be given credit for being the Archmage is the Mages guild doesn't exist anymore. The same with the Fighter's guild. The only person who would know the CoC was a thief would be the person he gave the cowl too, and they're in all likelyhood either dead or not talking. As for the DB listener...they don't seem like the type to keep records. And even if they did, the part of DB history the CoC was involved with was so...what's the word...bad, horrible, dark, bloody - that any recods would probably not be taken till long after the CoC had got the DB back on its feet.

And with the Empire in such a state, odds are documentation that the CoC was an Arena champion wouldn't exist. So in the end, enough has happened to allow Beth to not talk about it, and just let the player come up with their own Cannon ending when dealling with the guilds.

I don't think the Gray Fox (the one in Oblivion) was old at all, I think i recall hearing that the mask gets passed on but the mask alters the persons history and reputation to where he is just the Gray Fox.

I just hope I can get that mask again and maybe it can have an invisible stealth perk when crouching down like the Chinese Stealth armor from Fallout 3.

It very possible that the grey fox will be in TESV in some capacity. It wouldn't be the same character that you played in Oblivion, due to the 200 year time difference but there could certainly be another thief acting as an heir

Having that mask is like the biggest perk of being a Thief Stealth character

Oh. That makes way more sense. I didn't really bother with the Thieves guild. At any rate, there still could be a Grey Fox.

the gray fox is the head of the Imperiell thieves guild.


as the one in with the gloves was the htop rogue was in Morrowind.

no, the Gray fox should not appear in Skyrim other than a tale from 200 years ago

I was under the impression that the Grey Fox was a Cyrodiil thing. However, my knowledge of TES lore is lacking so I could be completely wrong. If I am right though, I think that there will be a new artifact in relation to the guild. Maybe some references to it, but I will certainly understand if it does not appear in Skyrim.

Good point. I am rather neutral about the Cowl, but if I had to chose I would say that the Gray Fox should stay in Cyrodiil and have a Master Thief acting as the local leader(those who have played Morrowind as a member of the TG know what I mean).

I've always thought that different people beat the different guilds, according to the cannon. I'm pretty sure the Champion just did the main quest and the Shivering Isles.


Or at least, that's what makes sense to me.

You're spot on. The Gray Fox runs the Cyrodiil Thieves Guild, but he does not apply outside of Cyrodiil, hence why we've never heard a single word about him until Oblivion. I don't expect to hear anything about him in Skyrim, save for maybe small references in books.

The effect wouold be cool, but man was that mask ugly. I don't wtf they were thinking making such an important item so rediculously ugly. I don't see how anyone could look at it and say "yah that looks cool, put it in the game," unless they were extremely drunk.

Meh, who knows?

No thanks, I would not like to enter the Gray Fox. :confused: