Erm wired super mutant thing :o/ : Fallout 3

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:38 pm

I've got some weird thing happening with my super mutants it's happen twice now...when I kill them or think I've killed them there body lies motionless on the ground yet there weapon is still attacking me so I have to shoot were the super mutant would be if they were and kill the invisible version of them, it's like their body dies but their sprite lives on lol...any one know what's going on??

EDIT:

Typo...sorry can't change the title lol

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:49 pm

I think I understand. Wired? Do you mean "weird." ?
Occasionally I have an issue with various enemy NPC's, mostly of the two-legged kind, where they'll be lying flat on the ground but the little red marker will show them elsewhere and shooting at me. I use Fallout Re-Animated as well as some of my own custom animations so it may have something to do with that.
The last time it happened to me was when I'd shot someone with a Thorazine Dart Gun - which paralyses them for a few seconds. Instead of getting back up they stayed on the ground.

That's what I think, anyway. Custom animations. But someone else might know for sure. I don't get it very often so haven't bothered trying to track down what's causing it.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:45 pm

Hmm I suppose it makes seance seen as you've experienced similar things and we both using Fallout Re-Animated as well, there must be a way around it because the animations are sweet and I really don't wonna stop using them

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:04 am

I'm using Fallout Re-Animated as well, but I've never had this happen to me.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:03 pm

Mixed emotion here, happy there's a chance it's not the animation but sad because now it could be anything :unsure:

If it helps any, here's my current L/O

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= Check ModsThis is a report on your currently active/merged mods.=== Active Mod Files:* 00  Fallout3.esm* 01  Anchorage.esm* 02  ThePitt.esm* 03  BrokenSteel.esm* 04  PointLookout.esm* 05  Zeta.esm* 06  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm  [Version 1.2.0]* 07  HairPack.esm* 08  CRAFT.esm* 09  CALIBR.esm  [Version 1.3]* 0A  xCALIBR.esm* 0B  Project Beauty.esm* 0C  20th Century Weapons.esm* 0D  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm* 0E  Mart's Mutant Mod.esm* 0F  LingsFinerThings.esm* 10  Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm* 11  RTS NW.esm* 12  sc_lovers_resource.esm* 13  sc_wasteland_pimp.esm* 14  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Operation Anchorage.esp  [Version 1.2.0]* 15  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - The Pitt.esp  [Version 1.2.0]* 16  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Broken Steel.esp  [Version 1.2.0]* 17  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Point Lookout.esp  [Version 1.2.0]* 18  Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch - Mothership Zeta.esp  [Version 1.2.0]* 19  DarNifiedUIF3.esp* **  Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp* **  Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp* ++  hair_add_npc.esp* 1A  CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp* 1B  CALIBRxMerchant.esp* 1C  GalaxyNewsRadio40[M].esp* 1D  RTS NW - Volume 1st.esp* 1E  RTS NW - Volume 2nd.esp* 1F  RTS NW - Volume 3rd.esp* 20  Greenerworld.esp* 21  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp* 22  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp* 23  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp* 24  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp* 25  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp* 26  FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp* 27  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Alternate Travel.esp* 28  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp* 29  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional VATS Halftime.esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Worn Weapons.esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp* 2A  FWE Realistic Ammo Weight inc 20th Cent.esp* ++  FWE Realistic Ammo Weight in Names inc. 20th Cent.esp* ++  FWE Ammo Rarity for 20th Century.esp* 2B  Refurbishes [ALL].esp* 2C  Tailor Maid.esp* 2D  Tailor Maid Anchorage.esp* 2E  Tailor Maid PITT.esp* 2F  Tailor Maid Brokensteel.esp* 30  Tailor Maid ZETA.esp* 31  Tailor Maid Black Retex.esp* 32  WeaponModKits.esp* 33  WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp* ++  WeaponModKits - FWE Optional Worn Weapons.esp* 34  WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp* 35  WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp* 36  WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp* 37  WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp* 38  WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp* 39  WMKAA12Shotgun.esp* 3A  xCALIBRmunitions.esp* 3B  xCALIBRmunitions_FOSEnhancements.esp* 3C  Persona_and_Secret.esp* 3D  kikaiEquipment.esp* 3E  Mart's Mutant Mod.esp* 3F  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp* 40  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp* 41  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp* ++  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp* 42  Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp* ++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp* ++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp* 43  Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp* **  Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp* 44  Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp* ++  Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp* 45  LingsFinerThings.esp* ++  Fellout-pipboylight.esp* 46  Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp* 47  Enhanced Weather - Radioactive Rain and Snow Plugin.esp* 48  Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp* 49  Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp* 4A  Enhanced Weather - REBOOT.esp* 4B  PureWater-LittleRad-.esp* 4C  Fellout-Full.esp* ++  Fellout-Anchorage.esp* ++  Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp* 4D  Fellout-PointLookout.esp* 4E  Fellout-Zeta.esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vendor).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Containers).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (NPC_Settler).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Vault 101).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (RivetCity).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Raider).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Slaver).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Chinese Ghoul).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (SuperMutant).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Talon_Regulator).esp* ++  20th Century v5 ALIVE (Brotherhood_Outcast).esp* 4F  20th Century v5 ALIVE (TEST Container).esp* ++  xCALIBR_override_FWE5.esp* ++  xCALIBR_2CW_CP.esp* ++  xCALIBR_2CW_CP_Sorted.esp* 50  sc_blackmailing_silver.esp* 51  sc_acquiring_mei.esp* 52  sc_toying_with_angela.esp* 53  sc_wp_captives.esp* 54  sc_wp_arefu.esp* 55  sc_wp_luring_lucy.esp* 56  sc_saving_nova.esp* 57  sc_wp_red.esp* 58  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:24 pm

*BUMP*

Still got this problem is anyone cares to try help?

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:23 pm

Some screens of exactly what's going on

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o271/nability/Fallout32010-08-1817-40-11-81.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o271/nability/Fallout32010-08-1817-39-34-24.jpg :unsure:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o271/nability/Fallout32010-08-1817-39-10-37.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o271/nability/Fallout32010-08-1817-39-05-22.jpg :blink:
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o271/nability/Fallout32010-08-1817-37-56-21.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o271/nability/Fallout32010-08-1817-37-47-60.jpg

Current load order at this time

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followers enhanced (brokensteel).esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp* 32  fo3 wanderers edition - optional vats halftime.esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Worn Weapons.esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp* ++  FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced).esp* 33  fwe realistic ammo weight inc 20th cent.esp* ++  FWE Realistic Ammo Weight in Names inc. 20th Cent.esp* ++  FWE Ammo Rarity for 20th Century.esp* 34  refurbishes [all].esp* 35  tailor maid.esp* 36  tailor maid anchorage.esp* 37  tailor maid pitt.esp* 38  tailor maid brokensteel.esp* 39  tailor maid zeta.esp* 3A  tailor maid black retex.esp* 3B  weaponmodkits.esp* 3C  weaponmodkits - fwe master release.esp* ++  WeaponModKits - FWE Optional Worn Weapons.esp* 3D  weaponmodkits - operationanchorage.esp* 3E  weaponmodkits - thepitt.esp* 3F  weaponmodkits - brokensteel.esp* 40  weaponmodkits - pointlookout.esp* 41  weaponmodkits - zeta.esp* 42  wmkaa12shotgun.esp* 43  xcalibrmunitions.esp* 44  xcalibrmunitions_fosenhancements.esp* 45  persona_and_secret.esp* 46  kikaiequipment.esp* 47  mart's mutant mod.esp* 48  mart's mutant mod - 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» Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:40 pm

Did you install using FOMM 12.3?

Maybe you have some missing resources? Check the status of some of your larger SM affecting mods and see if the list of resouces contained in the FOMOD match the list that was installed?

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:32 pm

Well out of the mods I'm using I can only think it could be ether MMM or FEW, I checked both of them (what's in the FOMOD and what's installed) and nothing seems to be missing :unsure:

If i was to take the mesh and textures folders from both MMM and FWE and drop them in to the data folder what effect you think that would have?
It's MMM RC6 Beta 2 btw

EDIT:

Yes I did use FOMM 12.3 as well.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:39 pm

There was a bug with FOMM 12.3 and MMM and FWE where some resources didn't get installed.

Roll back to 11.9 and uninstall/reinstall those mods, or just dump the resources into your Data directory and see if it gets any better.

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:19 pm

I can confirm that it's indeed a missing resources problem. More specifically, MMM related.

Just thought I'd let you know

cc

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:53 am

By the looks of things it all seems to be fixed after reapplying the MMM mesh and texture files to my data folder, so FOMM 12.3 was the cause :mellow: bit of a funny bug that one but least now if I get my ass beat I can't use the ''I can't see them'' exuse lol, thanks for that guys.

EDIT:

Also downgraded to 11.9 so hopefully no future issues like that arise

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:18 pm

so FOMM 12.3 was the cause

Just for the record, FOMM 12.3 isn't the cause. FOMM 12.3 fixed some "loose" code from previous versions and in the process exposed a bug in the installation script of MMM and a few other mods. The fix is known and has been applied to the MMM script, but it is waiting on the next official release before the file is updated. In the meantime just dumping the resources manually solves the problem.

It's just a weird coding syntax thing that has to be synchronized....not anyone's fault and certainly not a "bug" in FOMM 12.3

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 10:33 pm

Oh I see, so the suggested downgrading was just incase I installed the files again using FOMM yes?

» Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:35 pm

More or less.

Depends on whether you're comfortable remembering to manually install resources for certain mods, or whether you'd rather let FOMM handle it all.

I'm not sure what other updates were included in 12.3, but I don't recall hearing of anything critical so 11.9 should work fine for now.