here is a quote from something I posted elsewhere:

Ofc they will not want ES6 - I am assuming there will be an ES6 - to fail either. But, if action is not taken now, later may be too late.

There was chat about an attempt to pool or otherwise consult players about ESO Lore that was apparently inconclusive - can anything be done now to ensure that there is no conflict?

My feeling is that someone has tried to distance ESO from ES to minimise knock-on effects ... but it will not work methinkies.

Reasoning is that ES Lore is very powerful because it is both strong and sensitive - like the partner so many of us hope for and cherish ^^

The problem I have with players as consultants is that we tend to take our own interpretations of lore as the canon explanation whne we might only have part of the originally intended truth. I'd prefer the creators be the paid lore consutants.

I don't really see how ESO will impact the expanded lore. The only parts of it that will be a part of the lore would be the major quests and players won't really be determining or changing anything. The lore is still created by Beth.

If I'm not mistaken isn't ESO based even years before Skyrim? I have no knowledge of ESO outside of little bits here and there so I don't know but it's not going to have any effect on whether or not ES VI is released.

It's based in the second era, 30 years after the fall of the second empire.

So its not even going to effect the single player games. All its going to do is expand on a period of history that not a lot is documented on. While a lot of people are denouncing the game and its possible effects on the lore I don't see how its going to hinder or harm the lore at all, and it especially won't effect the games to come unless they touch back on earlier times.

I'd agree with fire_hawk. If the era isn't even recorded in any great detail, it would take a lot of intentional sabotage to have any significant impact.

It's not so much the added lore whereas it's the lore in the game dealing with cultures, politics and people. That's whats upsetting people.

Crazy things do happen during times of war. New friends are made along with new enemies. This sounds pretty reasonable when it comes to who's going to sit on the throne of the emporer. Just because two groups are traditional enemies doesn't lock them into that role in all things. Look at out own RL nations.

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orc want their own province. So now they've enetered into an alliance that has promised to give them that. Nord, Argonioans and Dunmer all want to preserve their independent homelands even though they are traditional enemies. That is a common goal that they can all get behind. Self preservation usually wins out against petty squabbles.

I would normally agree with you, but TES has proven in the past that this is not how the various races think at all. The Oblivion Crisis at the end of the Third Era should have led all of Tamriel to some notion of unity in their struggle against otherwordly enemies, but instead it saw all the provinces become hugely insular as they just tried to deal with the problem in their region and left the rest of the world to its own devices. The weakening of central authority during the Imperial Simulacrum didn't lead to the provinces coming together to get rid of the guy making ridiculous demands on them, it led to them simply going to war against each other instead. And this is after 400 years of these provinces being forced to work together; they should be used to getting things done through diplomacy and cooperation by now, but evidently that's not how they think. So why would they be more willing to interact with one another in the middle of the Interregnum, especially when it means rejecting traditional rights and privileges, willingly associating with those who have enslaved them or slaughtered them since time immemorial, or (on the other hand) willingly associating with disgusting animals as equals?

They already screwed up some of the lore by saying Cyrodiil being a jungle was a transcript error (By an imperial in his own language.) What that now does is mess with the CHIM lore and Talos by saying Talos never used his Chim chymany CHIM to morph the landscape. While that of course doesnt say he didnt have CHIM, it still screws with a pretty cool bit of lore that I liked, and contradicts Heimskr's sermon (although it is Heimskr) and Mankar Camoran. Now I'm afraid they'll just dismiss them too saying its just the ramblings of an overzealous priest and a mad man. Lame.

Eh. We have more lore that validates the CHIMing of Cyrodiil than the transcription error which makes zero sense in any context without the use of CHIM.

I know we do but I still dont appreciate it getting shoved under like that. It was a cool bit of lore. Makes me wonder what else they'll invalidate for convenience sake.

"Chim" is one of the most F***ING ridiculous things I have ever heard. I for one would be thrilled to have that insane notion was "retconed" out of existence and expunged from living memory. But that is one of the most beautiful things about the Elder Scrolls games. My game is my game, my Nirn is my Nirn if you will.

Remove that and we're left with "your" Nirn being a pointless place.

Ridiculous is TES in a nutshell. Which is why I love it. It really isn't all that ridiculous. There are real life religions somewhat like this as far as the godhead and the dream world part goes. It's far less hard to grasp than Vivec's milkfinger.

Find some other explanation for the Imperial records of Cyrodiilic jungle, then. If there's any other explanation, we'd love to hear it, but at the moment the only thing we have to work with is MK's explanation, which is CHIM.

ColonelKillaBee I like a lot of what you are saying but anything can get transcribed incorrectly in any language anywhere - and yes editors miss stuff just as authors and proof readers do. Guess what happens when the error is discovered? The question is asked: 'what will this cost us?' and if they are not going to get sued they just carry on. According to your post Beth proved this when they admitted to a transcription error ^^

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there is a major point here about inter-cultural relations ... and race. Taking th emotive side of it out of the equation we are actually talking about alien nations are we not = different species and not just different races. That has to have a very deep impact on diplomacy and war.

Easy enough in a game to say: them whatevers are great - I want them on my side - but what happens when they [censored] your daughter in the last war? And remember that mer are veery long-lived

Seems to me that the real miracle is that the Empire was created in the first place and lasted so long.

So maybe what we would lose (if ESO is not done as well as we would hope) is that excitement that we all felt when we got hooked on ES and that keptus paying because it was not boring

And sadly if ESO is screwed up the nubes may never discover that excitement - and from there you have to ask if they will even be interested in the previous ES games - and that is a serious financial option missed there if that happens

The other side of it is that some may be attracted to the kind of game ESO appears to be, like ESO and try the ES games and not like them because they are not attracted to an ES kind of game, etc

The Lore sets the basis for a certain kind of gaming experience - and it appears that ESO is settig out to ignore that rather than capitalise on it. Why? They have to have good reasons ... ?

Yea I get what you're saying, but the thing is it wasn't Beth that said this, it was Zenimax. It wasn't an error it was just an excuse they used to make it false. They could have at least come up with a better reason. I've said this before, they could have said when Talos changed Cyrodiil from a jungle, the nature of his divine power made it so althroughout time. Just like how a god has been a god althroughout time once he has become one.

The thing about translation and transcription errors is that they happen a lot less with contemporary records than they do with ancient ones. The folks who were writing "jungled Cyrodiil" happened to live in jungled Cyrodiil; they weren't recording it from long ago, but were instead describing what Cyrodiil looked like to them when they looked outside.