Eternal Champion

Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:07 pm

hence why they give them asixual titles, Eternal Champion, Hero of Daggerfall, Nerevarine, Champion of Cyrodiil... So when they mention them in the next TES installation all you hear is the Eternal Champion died lonely and forgotten or the HoD went SMOOSH or the Nerevarine Decided that fire good and dove into red mountain head first...ect. ect. open to he/she imperial/ argonian/ mage/warrior...

personally I like Smoosh best
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:07 pm

hence why they give them asixual titles, Eternal Champion, Hero of Daggerfall, Nerevarine, Champion of Cyrodiil... So when they mention them in the next TES installation all you hear is the Eternal Champion died lonely and forgotten or the HoD went SMOOSH or the Nerevarine Decided that fire good and dove into red mountain head first...ect. ect. open to he/she imperial/ argonian/ mage/warrior...

personally I like Smoosh best

Nerevarine: FIRE FUN!!!! *Jumps into Red Mountain* BLARGH!! I'M DEAD!!!
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:35 pm

Though you could have easily made the EC to be the hero of Daggerfall, due to the description of the HoD being the emperor's friend. However, canatonically, he dies at the end of TES II, due to the warp of the west.



It's not certain. I mean Dragon Break Make things from all version happen at the same time. In one possible endingd of DF DoF has died, right, but in all other endings he survived. So after Dragon Break Dof both died and survived, thus DoF is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr?dinger%27s_cat
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:50 pm

It's not certain. I mean Dragon Break Make things from all version happen at the same time. In one possible endingd of DF DoF has died, right, but in all other endings he survived. So after Dragon Break Dof both died and survived, thus DoF is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr?dinger%27s_cat

The Dragon Break make's pretty much everything possible...it explains why Mannimarco is an Altmer at one time, a Lich in another, A god In one, and A man again.

Also it would seem that Mannimarco also knew the Identity of the Underking, Zurin Arcturis. Though It's a moot point since even if it's not Zurin its Wulfharth...and wulfharth and talos and zurin all make up the deity we all know and love as Tiber Septim. And once again the dragon break makes it all possible considering the whole time the underking exists Tiber Septim is already a God in the same Pantheon as Akatosh no less...

What confuses me is the fact that there have been several Dragon Breaks 2 of which were caused by the Numidium, and yet the one caused by the order is the only one we know how long it lasted? yet how can you really say it lasted or is over when in fact the shattering of linear time means you could at this moment be in a disorganized event of time. The only conceivable way you can say that there was more than 1 dragon break or actually calculate the amount of time it lasted is by saying that all three breaks happened simultaneously in linear time and all three were temporally linked with one another. Thus you can say that when the dragon break ended you could compare the current astrological patterns with those that were in effect at the time of the earliest Dragon Break.

oh silly me...by my count there's 4 Dragon Breaks... the 2 caused by the numidium, the 1 caused the the tribunal and the heart of Lorkhan, and the one caused by the breaking of the tower. Of course I could be wrong and not realize that the events of Daggerfall also ended in a Dragon Break.

sigh...when you break linear time it's never really fixed it just breaks more and more... even the elder scrolls are incapable of fathoming it.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:51 pm

well how about instead of smooshing this indestructable hero, wouldn't it make more sense to just create a basic character which has everything from the main quest-line only, then give him the name some kind of easter egg name, like one of the dev's names or even moderator name on the betheseda forum :D
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:38 am

well how about instead of smooshing this indestructable hero, wouldn't it make more sense to just create a basic character which has everything from the main quest-line only, then give him the name some kind of easter egg name, like one of the dev's names or even moderator name on the betheseda forum :D


No because my Nerevarine had name that most likely would not match that set by Devs, same goes to the rest of characters. Beside my Nerevarine was head of GH Telvanni, and by making character that made only main quest it would differ from my character.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:48 am

I can't find any source of lore on the Eternal Champion, also i have a question, what happened to the EC in TES 4 i mean there was only a 40 year difference.

He went to search for the lost city of Tanelorn.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:40 am

No because my Nerevarine had name that most likely would not match that set by Devs, same goes to the rest of characters. Beside my Nerevarine was head of GH Telvanni, and by making character that made only main quest it would differ from my character.


I think you misunderstand, the idea is to create an NPC or even easter egg, of a character from the previous game, e.g. for TES V instead of getting rid of the CoC, have a character named by one of the Devs who would tell you about his adventures in Cyrodil and maybe even do a little side-quest with you, he would have unique equipment and items which would have come from the TES 4 game, most appropriate would be the Imperial Dragon Armor set.

You see he doesn't have to wander off, or disappear or anything, besides they are probably not going to mention anything about the mages guild or dark brotherhood etc. since he would only talk to you about the main quest-line like MK's paradise, or the sack of Kvatch. It wouldn't conflict because he wouldn't mention anything except the main quest-line and let's face it, this is traditionally very linear so room for conflict would be very little.

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In terms of lore it could say something like "The CoC continued his adventures and was last seen in [Insert new game location]

At least then we could have a chance to see what happened to him.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:54 am

This kind of things has already been done : the hero of "Battlespires" appears as an NPC in Morrowind.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:48 pm

I think you misunderstand, the idea is to create an NPC or even easter egg, of a character from the previous game, e.g. for TES V instead of getting rid of the CoC, have a character named by one of the Devs who would tell you about his adventures in Cyrodil and maybe even do a little side-quest with you, he would have unique equipment and items which would have come from the TES 4 game, most appropriate would be the Imperial Dragon Armor set.

You see he doesn't have to wander off, or disappear or anything, besides they are probably not going to mention anything about the mages guild or dark brotherhood etc. since he would only talk to you about the main quest-line like MK's paradise, or the sack of Kvatch. It wouldn't conflict because he wouldn't mention anything except the main quest-line and let's face it, this is traditionally very linear so room for conflict would be very little.



That's the trouble, m8. You see, the most awesome thing about TES series is that every part of the game fits with each other from player's point of view, as in whatever you did as Nerevarine might have happened in past from CoC's viewpoint. And if Bethesda were to put NPC Nerevarine in game they would have to state at least his race and gender, which would make people think "hey, now they tell us CoC is male Imperial, while my CoC was female Dunmer, BOOOOOO"

This kind of things has already been done : the hero of "Battlespires" appears as an NPC in Morrowind.


Does he? Where?
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:00 pm

I think you misunderstand, the idea is to create an NPC or even easter egg, of a character from the previous game, e.g. for TES V instead of getting rid of the CoC, have a character named by one of the Devs who would tell you about his adventures in Cyrodil and maybe even do a little side-quest with you, he would have unique equipment and items which would have come from the TES 4 game, most appropriate would be the Imperial Dragon Armor set.

You see he doesn't have to wander off, or disappear or anything, besides they are probably not going to mention anything about the mages guild or dark brotherhood etc. since he would only talk to you about the main quest-line like MK's paradise, or the sack of Kvatch. It wouldn't conflict because he wouldn't mention anything except the main quest-line and let's face it, this is traditionally very linear so room for conflict would be very little.

EDIT:

P.S.

In terms of lore it could say something like "The CoC continued his adventures and was last seen in [Insert new game location]

At least then we could have a chance to see what happened to him.

You're supposed to come up with what happens to him (or her). Hence the reason for no canon epilogue given for any of the ES characters (save perhaps Daggerfall). Who's to say that the Champion of Cyrodiil isn't also the Nerevarine or perhaps the Eternal Champion? Who's to say that in the next title, my character IS the CoC, having found another to mantle Sheo and freeing him/herself from that responsibility? It's a perfectly likely roleplay path for quite a few people, and yet it's a RP path that would be needlessly obstructed by the devs throwing out a base of-their-own-imagination CoC as an easter egg.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:49 pm

You know come to think on it. During the end sequence of Arena don't they tell you that you'll be needed again?

That line may have just been Bethesda hinting at Daggerfall. After all, you were originally going to be able to import Arena characters into that game. In the end though it was scrapped when they swiutched to the more familiar skills system, which would be too painful to convert to when using Arena's system.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:55 pm

i doubt it would be that painful considering all classes in arena were canned classes. it woudl've been really easy to port characters over and just make a formula for skill % per level.

the big thing was that the devs wanted people to start fresh, and really play with the character creation, rather than diving into daggerfall with a fully developed character who would be at the end game content in privateers hold.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:36 pm

Does he? Where?

It's a dev joke that Divyath Fyr is the hero from Battlespire. He may or may not be, we don't know. But he is in possession of the Scourge and the Savior's Hide.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:31 pm

It's a dev joke that Divyath Fyr is the hero from Battlespire. He may or may not be, we don't know. But he is in possession of the Scourge and the Savior's Hide.


I may be wrong here, but wasn't HoB described as "young hero" in Battlespire (game)? If my memory serves me well that pretty much excludes Divayth as HoB :)
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:57 am

Its an RPG, so you can just make up what happens, like you could pretend that your character in TES5 was in Oblivion and Morrowind, or that your character in Oblivion was in Morrowind but wasn't the Nereverine, or that he was in Daggerfall ETC.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:15 pm

personly i hope they will cain games next time if you are able to play the pre game on same consol than the next game just can gather the data from the pre and you always got your own heros being called in the next game like for exmaple if we chained morrowind to oblinvion wich are both able to play on pc/xbox360 if i was a argonian / fightersguild warrior neravarine they will tell me about that in oblivion wene i play on the same consol but thats just a daydream :P
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:23 am

I may be wrong here, but wasn't HoB described as "young hero" in Battlespire (game)? If my memory serves me well that pretty much excludes Divayth as HoB :)


The Hero of Battlespire was supposed to be going through the trials of the battlespire to become an Imperial Battlemage when he stumbled upon a hellstorm. Since Divayth was already at least 3500 years old, its assumed that he already knows a thing or two about magic and doesn't need to know more.

Edit: Sorry, confused my pronouns, the thing is much clearer now, Predator King.
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Post » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:20 pm

He was supposed to be going through the trials of the battlespire to become an Imperial Battlemage when he stumbled upon a hellstorm. Since Divayth was already at least 3500 years old, its assumed that he knows a thing or two about magic.

anyone of such standing and age would most likely be able to acquire such artifacts as scourge and saviors hide to add to their collection... it would make sense since he's a patronof magical arts, and battlespire is all about battlemages and those 2 things played important roles in that respect so he'd of course want them.
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