Eternal Champion : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:02 pm

I can't find any source of lore on the Eternal Champion, also i have a question, what happened to the EC in TES 4 i mean there was only a 40 year difference.

Answers to question and lore sources appreciated.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:18 pm

I can't find any source of lore on the Eternal Champion, also i have a question, what happened to the EC in TES 4 i mean there was only a 40 year difference.

Answers to question and lore sources appreciated.

http://www.imperial-library.info/places/index.shtml, read this (if you don't fall asleep first).

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:14 pm

The Eternal Champion is the player from TESI: Arena.

He vanished, same as all the other players. Make up your own story.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:49 am

Why is it that this always happens, the EC, the Nerevarine, and in TES 5 the coc will be probably done, why do they keep having these warriors, who defeated unspeakable evils and defeated gods suddenly disappear?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:41 am

Why is it that this always happens, the EC, the Nerevarine, and in TES 5 the coc will be probably done, why do they keep having these warriors, who defeated unspeakable evils and defeated gods suddenly disappear?

Because there would be a dragon break otherwise. You might have played as a male character, someone else might have played as a female. Different gender, different class, different race, different factions.... Beth can't make them appear again because if they suddenly said "oh, the Nerevarine was a guy, he joined the Morag Tong, and is an Argonian Nightblade..." Well, gee, thanks, but that's not my Nerevarine.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:49 pm

Why is it that this always happens, the EC, the Nerevarine, and in TES 5 the coc will be probably done, why do they keep having these warriors, who defeated unspeakable evils and defeated gods suddenly disappear?

Bethesda's paranoid they're going to retcon something. That's why every past character gets killed or runs off somewhere, every location you've visited gets blown up by the Daedra, and why nobody ever references events from the older games.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:32 pm

Bethesda's paranoid they're going to retcon something. That's why every past character gets killed or runs off somewhere, every location you've visited gets blown up by the Daedra, and why nobody ever references events from the older games.

And yet my lovely Cyrodiil jungle turned into crappy grassland with a sprinkling of trees.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:29 pm

I always thought Bethseda should have just said that azura took the nerevarine and other people to azuras place. (i forgot what it was called.)

They also have done this probably with getting rid of vivecc so people cant say "well i killed vivecc"

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:59 am

Jungles svck anyway.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:19 pm

Jungles svck anyway.

:poke: Temperate Rain forest would do just as nicely, less bugs and malaria, but still lush and full of fascinating wildlife.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:30 am

Why is it that this always happens, the EC, the Nerevarine, and in TES 5 the coc will be probably done, why do they keep having these warriors, who defeated unspeakable evils and defeated gods suddenly disappear?

Isn't it obvious? Because the Eternal Champion, the Nerevarine, the Champion of Cyrodiil, etc, are all the same person(s).

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:29 pm

:poke: Temperate Rain forest would do just as nicely, less bugs and malaria, but still lush and full of fascinating wildlife.

I kinda like cool bugs.

They already gave themselves an easy out I think. The champion wanders off to Sheogorath's realm and doesn't come back???

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:55 am

then he sure does end up in jail a whole lot. and thats not possible Nevirine wouldn't have to join the blades again afther morrowind. I say the jills remove them from time afther the events of the game.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:08 pm

Let me rephrase. They're all the same being(s), but (possibly) of different races, and with different interests, and with different personalities, et cetera.

The Nerevarine is not the Champion of Cyrodiil. But, the Nerevarine and the Champion of Cyrodiil are the same being.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:06 am

Though you could have easily made the EC to be the hero of Daggerfall, due to the description of the HoD being the emperor's friend. However, canatonically, he dies at the end of TES II, due to the warp of the west.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:47 am

It's pretty simple, they're all Lorkhan incarnate, and you also have to remember that the people of Tamriel are some of the most fickle people ever and forget old heroes (that haven't achieved apotheosis or started the arena) pretty quickly.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:31 pm

http://dailyshot.johnq.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/retrogamershirts_link1.jpg

I wasn't even trying to be cryptic with this one.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:16 pm

It's pretty simple, they're all Lorkhan incarnate, and you also have to remember that the people of Tamriel are some of the most fickle people ever and forget old heroes (that haven't achieved apotheosis or started the arena) pretty quickly.

But I heard rumors of the Nerevarine going to Akivar. So, he's not completely forgetting, just removed. The hero of Daggerfall, however, went smoosh, and it seems everyone not directly involved wouldn't know/care and would have been easily forgotten. The Arena one definitely has received the short end of the stick, though (s)he was mentioned in the Real Barenziah.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:21 pm

You know come to think on it. During the end sequence of Arena don't they tell you that you'll be needed again?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:04 pm

Maybe he retired, or perhaps getting involved in some other quest in another part of Tamriel.
In any case, I'm not sure if there's much explanation...

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:05 am

I can't find any source of lore on the Eternal Champion, also i have a question, what happened to the EC in TES 4 i mean there was only a 40 year difference.

Answers to question and lore sources appreciated.

The reason why lore is hard to find is becuase its diffrent depending on what you did in arena. You should play arena if you want lore on the eternal champion.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:42 pm

Though you could have easily made the EC to be the hero of Daggerfall, due to the description of the HoD being the emperor's friend. However, canatonically, he dies at the end of TES II, due to the warp of the west.

no actually he can't be because in daggerfall at the beggining of the game you are given your background to you from several different types. but none of those is the EC.

but from arena's manuel we can say that the EC's actual name was talin.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:14 pm

no actually he can't be because in daggerfall at the beggining of the game you are given your background to you from several different types. but none of those is the EC.

but from arena's manuel we can say that the EC's actual name was talin.

That was just Bethesda's stock character. I remember reading something about Morrowind, and Beth's character for that was also named Talin.

You guys forget: Ria Silmane essentially erased the EC's identity. The EC could very well have been King of Winterhold or a powerful Redoran lord. It's up to the player to decide who the EC was. In my Arena game, I made it to where my Eternal Champion simply dissapears, along with Tharn, after he touches the SOC to the Fire Jewel. The Emperor was never able to meet the EC, so not even the Emperor knows who he was.

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:40 pm

Let me guess, power outage right after the Emperor exited the portal?

» Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:58 pm

Let me guess, power outage right after the Emperor exited the portal?

Lol, no. It was something more along the lines of the Dissapearance of the Dwarves.