Now everyone in this forum knows how we all killed the Emperor. Question is, what could happened to the empire and the Old Merry Dominion? Could his death cause a civil war among the empire or will the transition of power be smoothly? Will the Thalmor use this as a chance of of invading the empire again?

I perosnally believe that the Empire may benefit from it as the person who ordered the hit mentioned that we've done the Empire a great favor. Then again he may be talking out of his ass. What do you think and why?

He seemed to be at peace when he died, so I am going to guess that the title of Emperor will transition to an heir and life in this chaotic empire will continue in its old, merry way.

Actually a lot of people don't know about how we kill the Emperor, or what faction we kill him in. This is kind of a bad thread, and at least should've been marked with Spoilers in the topic title.

The title is, at the very least, unclear. I thought this thread would be about event asfter Titus Mede I's death, and not the death of Titus Mede II.

Then again if your in the lore forum, I don't see how you can't know the major spoilers from Skyrim already.

I think, for my own reasons, that the stormcloak end to the civil war will end up being the canon end, and that Mede's death give Ulfric an opportunity to re-unite Skyrim and Cyrodiil.

Warp Of The North or The Civil War Books will probably explain what happened in Skyrim. As for Mede, it all depends on who his successor is and what beliefs he/she holds such as Supporting or Against Talos, The Thalmor, Hammerfell, etc.

Doubt it, as I think Tullius, Ulfric, and Paarthurnax will basically be written out of the story just on the principle of "They may or may not have died." Although, I'd be much happier if what you said came to pass. My biggest fear is they wind up going some odd how many years away so that the events of Skyrim seem moot to point. Unfortunately, I think they may go the "Skyrim's loyalty is still being contested" if TES 6 isn't placed too far after the events of Skyrim.

Ulfric seems a bigger character to me though. I mean Vivec may have died.

There's no reason why any of them have to necessarily die or get written out. Paarth can go back to his hang out and never show his face again, like he's done for the last few thousand years. In terms of the 'canon lore' I'd imagine that the Dragonborn shows up to defeat Alduin, causing a temporary truce between the Stormcloaks and Imperials, whose disputes may even be able to be resolved by a coming event. For example maybe a new war with the Thalmor breaks out, and the Empire returns to Talos Worship, or the Empire grants Skyrim a sort of 'limited autonomy' to have worship as they please, and tell the Thalmor 'sorry, we can't stop them so deal with it.' I doubt the Thalmor are prepared to just 'pick up' the war again on a whim.

As for Tullius, he seems pretty generic and unimportant to me, so while there's no reason for him to disappear there's not really a reason for him to persist either.

Have the feeling that the Thalmor are going to take advantage of the death of the emperor and attack cyrodiil and the empire collapses. We'll never know which side won the civil war except that the Dragonborn along with a sizeable force of nords(Stormcloak? Imperial? Who can say) shows up to save the day. Whether they reform the empire afterwards is Beth's call.

The thing I was getting at though, was for all intents and purposes, none of these figures will have an ounce of significant role in future events in Tamriel,which is akin to being completely written out. Of course we're seldom to hear what Ulfric or what have you accomplished if we're in say, Blackmarsh, but if we hear in a book or otherwise word of mouth that "Oh, that Ulfric guy did so and so" clearly after the events of Skyrim, which would allude to the fact that he's still functioning. Now, the problem that Skyrim poses here is that a entire province is breaking out is a pretty big deal, as even the events of Morrowind can still be their own seperate thing, completely disconnected from the goings of the Empire, with Nerevar and Vivec be given a vague "Who knows." to their story. Thing here is with the civil war though, is that it is NOT the main quest here, but its such a important event that its extremely difficult to resolve the conflict in a manner that seems remotely compelling. That being said, I can see the diplomacy route being the big event that actually happened, with the two sides still grimacing at each other. But the question is, can Beth really just leave it at that?

EDIT: For basically this reason, I really wish the Civil war was basically the main quest, with Alduin and the dragons tied into it, instead of the seemingly disconnected route it took. We had a beginning where it all came together quite nicely, and the one moment if you didn't ax the Jarl of Whiterun in the civil war right off the bat, but I was surprised at how disconnected the whole thing felt from...everything. Maybe I was just expecting a little more emphasis to be put on that quest line since it seemed to be such a huge event, almost bigger then the Dragons returning. (This is only assuming Dragons aren't popping up all over Tamriel, instead of just Skyrim.)

I honestly feel that the Skyrim Civil war was the most disappointing, and unsatisfying major quest-line in TES history. The quests are so uninspired, and repetitive. The rewards are scaled to your level and not unique at all. The endings are stiff and under-realized, and for the first time TES tries to foray into the world of portraying a 'battle', and ends up doing it poorly.

I sort of expected better from the quest-line that EVERY SINGLE PERSON talks about, and has a topic for you to ask them about their position on the war or how they feel.

What I meant is that everyone in the LORE forums knows about this. Well most atleast. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The civil war quest was heavily underrated, and the ending is vague. But I don't think Beth is going to make a canon ending to it.

My guess is one of 2 possibilities:

The Empire falls apart after Titus Mede II dies and the civil war becomes irrelevant, they can just write that the civil war in Skyrim was at a closing point with limited fighting on either side (true before the start and after finishing) and after Mede his death all Imperial provinces left, the legions were recalled to the Imperial province and all other provinces became independent. The moot will then elect somebody like Balgruuf in a completely unexpected move, where he used politics and money to get the support of all others. (I'm going to assume that an ex-Jarl can still beocme High King). Alternatively Elesif is a good option because she will be in power no matter what happens.

Option two is that after the death of the Emperor a new Emperor is made who allows worship of Talos restores the blades and wages war against the Thalmor, stormcloack forces still in Skyrim stop their fighting and join the Imperial war effort, again in this case Elesif and Balgruuf would make good candidates for High King, both are immortal and both hold considerable power.

Either way you can keep the civil war and the ending vague, you don't have to specify what happened and you can explain everything that happened to Skyrim after that. You just have to find a way to write out Imperial involvement and Stormcloack legions in the story but because we hear that both continue to exist even after finishing the main quest it wouldn't be weird for the stormcloacks to surrender to the Empire or the Empire to surrender to a free Skyrim even if you already won that civil war for either the surrendering side.

The civil war is just background story. I do not think it matters who won. History will probably give some murky insight where any of the results are possible. For one thing we have no idea how far into the future the next game will be or where it is to be set. The results may have little to no impact. Just as the confused results surrounding any of the previous pc's or the events which occur within the setting of the games. That way when you as the pc in the next game see results that seem to apply to what happened in your game you relate to them. Mostly I felt that the results there would have no impact regardless who I would pick. My involvment as the Dovahkiin only furthered whatever goals I set for myself and would leave little mark in the sea of history from this time frame, only rumors if anything would remain. This allows for each new game to be just that as our decisions leave as much of a foot print as walking on water. All that is important as far as the story is concerned is that some how the Dovahkiin influenced the civil war. Result the fighting stopped for a time. Whether because one side or other won or a truce continued after your escapades. The real results as it were will happen off screen as the always do to add to the setting of the next game. For all we know with both sides weakened and bleeding the Thalmor rushed in and took one or both out.

Post-Alduin lore could carry Tamriel in a variety of directions from here. Any number of ways the Dovakhin could be played could end up being TES lore. For example, my first playthrough I killed the leader of the Dark Brotherhood right on the spot, and after finishing the rest of them off, I found out it was the last active refuge for them anywhere in Tamriel. So the lore is just as likely to wipe out the Dark Brotherhood as to have Titus Mede II assassinated. The Dovakhin isn't even necessarily pro-Stormcloak or pro-Imperial and can take a neutral stance in the war. This game leaves more questions than answers regarding Tamriel's future.

Besides the defeat of Alduin, the one thing most certain is the continued strength of the Aldmeri Dominion in the southern half of the continent. But I was thinking that since Dovahkin rhymes in history with Tiber Septim (which is outlawed by the Thalmor) things could get very interesting soon.

You didn't kill them all. At least one character was missing from the sanctuary.

Something to keep in mind is that Skyrim's story isn't over yet. I'd be rather surprised if forth-coming DLC/expansions won't provide more insight into what's going to happen after the end of certain quest lines.

Two.

A vampire and a clown.

It is impossible to wipe out the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim. Either way you play it, there are at least two members left. And the Cheydinhal Cell, if you'll recall, was cut down to that number and still recovered.

Good question, I was thinking about this a lot myself.

I'm pretty sure that Amaud Montierre (the guy who gave the contract) was talking out of his ass, because he and the clique that supported him seemed to have something to gain from the Emperor's death.

Titus Mede II dying can only be a bad thing for the Empire I think He was a dignified and smart leader, and for him to be killed will automatically raise tensions with the Thalmor. They might see it as an opportunity to invade, because there's a likelihood that infighting over the throne might occur if Mede has no decent heirs or the Elder Council is divided. Not to mention there is a chance that revolts will break out across Skyrim and other places now that the guy who presided over the White Gold Concordat is dead.

So yeah, I think the Thalmor will take advantage of this somehow, if not attack them outright again.

100% agree with you :/ All of the quests in Skyrim felt underwhelming and ended abruptly (with exception of the main quest), but the civil war bit was the most lackluster of them all. It started halfway promisingly, but then it just sort of gave up on pretensions of goodness and svcked the rest of the way. I think Skyrim lost by trying to include so much in the game and ended up with a lot of mediocrity instead, story-wise. There just needed to be more missions, and they needed to be more interesting.

I doubt his death will either encourage Dominion invasion or cause the Empire to collapse. I suppose in theory it could, if his heir proved inept, but right now we know nothing as to the competence of whoever is next in line.

As for the Civil War, I figure they'll go with the two sides agreeing to a truce to stop the Dragons, and Alduin's death causes a Dragon Break resulting in another Miracle of Peace between the Imperials and Stormcloaks.

Attrebus Mede II ascends to the throne.
Also, I will make a gander and say the Empire doesn't fall, based on Amaund Motierre's words (as a possible Elder Council member, or with links to one), that killing Titus Mede II is saving the Empire. Apparently, Titus is in the way of something, be it his personality or his conservatism. I think it's his unwillingness to prosecute war against the Thalmor.

All speculation on the name of the Emperor's son/nephew/brother aside, though, I suppose I could take a whack at Elder Scrolls history, knowing that there's a plethora of hand-waves, but also keeping in mind political atmosphere. At the time of Titus Mede II's death, the province from which his most powerful (and healthy) legions hale is Skyrim. Skyrim is in the middle of a brutal civil war for independence, based in ancient Nordic Tradition, the Worship of Talos, and Thalmor machinations. Into this comes the Dovahkiin: the last Dragonborn, a destiny-shaping figure with the blood of dragons and ties not only to Talos, but to the entire Septim line and the tradition of Imperial rule (by his very blood). Unfortunately, it's doubtful the Dragonborn becomes Emperor, because then books would have to speak about him at length rather than say "The Champion of Cyrodiil saved Kvatch" or "The Nerevarine was a boss." Ultimately, I don't think which side the Dragonborn chooses in the Civil War will really mean much, but NOT because of hand-waves. The Devs left themselves an opening, and that is the Kingsmoot.

The Kingsmoot is the council held to elect a new High King of Skyrim, where prospective kings (or queens) make their cases and the Jarls decide. Granted, should the Stormcloaks win, Ulfric appears to be in a good position, but the man is not universally liked (it's actually arguable he's more disliked, generally). Therefore, I believe that the High King (Queen) will be neither Elisif or Ulfric. It will be Balgruuf the Greater, the only Jarl truly central to the mainquest, the first Jarl the Dragonborn should meet, and the first Jarl to which the Dragonborn pledges himself as Thane. After Emperor Titus Mede II dies, the Civil War will come to a close, either as a result of patriotic fervor amongst Empire-loyalists or because the Emperor's death broke the Legion's will and the Stormcloaks win. This results in the Kingsmoot, where Balgruuf (the man that refused to involve himself in a civil war when DRAGONS WERE ATTACKING SKYRIM) is elected High King, placing the capital of Skyrim at Jorrvaskr and Dragonsreach, two of Skyrim's greatest monuments.

Now, while it's entirely possible I'm wrong, I think it's sensible. And I don't think it will be a book. I think one of the DLC expansions will at least tangentially involve the Kingsmoot, where the Dragonborn supports Balgruuf the Greater as High King. And if it's not in the works... DAMMIT BETHESDA, POLITICAL MANUEVERING, ASSASSINATION FOILING, AND HIGH KING MAKING WOULD BE AWESOME. The Dragonborn should support Balgruuf over Ulfric or Elisif because Ulfric is revealed to be selfish and hungry throughout various quests and travels, and Elisif is revealed to be something of a well-meaning ditz that lets Falk Firebeard do everything.

Following this, Skyrim is stable again, and Emperor Attrebus Mede II has time on his hands to fix the empire. First is Hammerfell. The Empire will have to win back this province that took so long to conquer. How would it do this? Continued war against the Thalmor and the Dominion. Attrebus Mede II is dirty, a schemer and political animal, unlike father. It's the reason Motierre had to remove Titus in the first place: too conservative, too safe. Mirroring what the Dominion did to the Empire, wagon loads of Altmer heads will arrive in Valenwood/Summerset, as all Thalmor agents are hunted down and killed, the rise of a new Dragonborn seen as testament that the worship of Talos (the Dragonborn Emperor) is legitimate. Hostilities will resume and the legions will march again. A bloody war will continue, with the Dragonborn leading the fight (hopefully in some DLC, eh?). Hammerfell will join the fight, if only to take revenge on the Altmer for the pogroms that were prosecuted on the Redguards of the coast. Skyrim legions, bolstered in morale, being led by a figure of legend, run south to aid the Empire. Breton legions from High Rock are called by the stronger, more forceful Emperor (as they barely contributed in the first Great War), and the Colovian Legions rise again. War is made on the Elves like never before, and the Empire is reforged in blood, tempered with the guiding hand of the Dovahkiin. Odhaviing burns Alinor to the ground and let's imagine he gets to eat the last of the Thalmor, too.

And we have a happy ending.

And isn't that what we wanted all along?

I was considering adding in some bits and pieces about Elsweyr (nominally a part of the Dominion), Orsinium, Morrowind, and Blackmarsh, but I don't know if they would change immediately following Titus Mede II's death.