Evolution in TES? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:29 pm

Apparently Evolution is something that is beleived in TES because sometimes when I play as a human character in oblivion khajiits call me monkey for example "get away from me filthy ape". Now could there be something wrong here in the history of what these guys beleive in TES?

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:07 am

I believe that's just Khajiits being derogatory. The men did not evolve from the apes, or the Imga in this case, but we do know that the races change to an extent over time.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:32 pm

but we do know that the races change to an extent over time.

oh yeah, compare the Tes II argonians with the TES IV argonias, man oh man.

khajiits call me monkey for example "get away from me filthy ape".

i played an argonian once, and the very same Kajit said that to, makes me think Kajit don't know a damn thing about evolution.

I think the best evidence for evolution of some sort are elves, i'm not sure but i think they all have a common ancesot the Mer, and more closely is the difference between the Aylieds and the Altmer, since i would say they were about genetical identical before they split.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:32 am

oh yeah, compare the Tes II argonians with the TES IV argonias, man oh man.
i played an argonian once, and the very same Kajit said that to, makes me think Kajit don't know a damn thing about evolution.

I think the best evidence for evolution of some sort are elves, i'm not sure but i think they all have a common ancesot the Mer, and more closely is the difference between the Aylieds and the Altmer, since i would say they were about genetical identical before they split.

Chimer, Ayleid, and Altmer all looked genetypically Aldmeri.

Also, would you consider the Ayleids Altmeri or Aldmeri? Ayleid is just the word for the civilization and it's denizens, not a species name.

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:46 pm

Apparently Evolution is something that is beleived in TES because sometimes when I play as a human character in oblivion khajiits call me monkey for example "get away from me filthy ape". Now could there be something wrong here in the history of what these guys beleive in TES?

That particulair Khajiit is an a-hole to everyone in the game, no matter what your race/gender/whatever is. Don't try to search a meaning behind it, because there is none other than this cat hating you.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:06 am

Other than Nirnroot Missive and Racial Phylogenies, nope. No evolution.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:04 pm

From the eyes of a cat, humans look a lot like apes. Simple.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:25 am

Chimer, Ayleid, and Altmer all looked genetypically Aldmeri.

Also, would you consider the Ayleids Altmeri or Aldmeri? Ayleid is just the word for the civilization and it's denizens, not a species name.

Those things are one in the same.

Seeing as no one has ever seen a Chimer or Ayleid in a TES game ever before, I really don't know how you can actually draw those conclusions. But anyway, according to the texts, both races did look different when compared to Altmer.

He demonstrated the right way to wear their skin.

-http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/changed_ones.shtml

she blinked, and the bird was gone and in its place, a naked Elf man stood, not as dark as a Dunmer, but not as pale as the Altmer. She knew at once it was an Ayleid, a Wild Elf.

-http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/2920.shtml

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:30 am

Other than Nirnroot Missive and Racial Phylogenies, nope. No evolution.

Devolution on the other hand...

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:29 am

Devolution on the other hand...

http://devo-chamber.ytmnd.com/

As for evolution, I feel it does happen. The different varieties of trolls, for instance. Also, look at the Shivering Isles if you want an idea of adaptation.

Also, ogres.

Also, the different types of mudcrabs.

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:25 pm

Divine intervention.

Now, back to enjoying existence.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:34 am

Those things are one in the same.

Seeing as no one has ever seen a Chimer or Ayleid in a TES game ever before, I really don't know how you can actually draw those conclusions. But anyway, according to the texts, both races did look different when compared to Altmer.

-http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/changed_ones.shtml

-http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/2920.shtml

you see what remains of chimer in morrowind look at almelexia

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:38 am

you see what remains of chimer in morrowind look at almelexia

Or half of Vivec.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:57 pm

As for evolution, I feel it does happen. The different varieties of trolls, for instance. Also, look at the Shivering Isles if you want an idea of adaptation.

Also, ogres.

Also, the different types of mudcrabs.

No. No evolution.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:59 am

Evolution in TES is fed by magick, see the Nirn Root, but in a world that is surrounded and fed by magicka to keep its balance, you might as well say evolution exists (although in strange and spontaneous bursts as it may be).

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:30 am

I think evolution exists in Nirn but when a god or a race of thinking trees can create entire new species (even sentient ones) it takes a backseat and becomes a secondary process.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:46 am

I think there is evolution look at the meaning of evolution change, what are the daedras power "change" look at orcs "changed" elves.

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:30 pm

I think there is evolution look at the meaning of evolution change, what are the daedras power "change" look at orcs "changed" elves.

I evolve my mind as often as I evolve my clothes.

Wait, what? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evolve

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:14 am

If so, they must evolve fast, they've only been alive for what? at most 5000 years.

The elves don't evolve to have different skills and appearance, as many people say, they've changed throughout the years, most of these occuring "changes" we don't know about. We've only found out about 3, If you count a type of elf changing into a non-elf, as well as a whole breed of'em dyeing.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:06 pm

I think there is more Lamarckian inheritance rather than Darwinist evolution in TES.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:50 am

you might as well say evolution exists (although in strange and spontaneous bursts as it may be).

Yeah, like Pokemon.

I THINK THERES EVOLUTIAN CUZ THER ARE DIFFERANT FORM'S OF KHAJIIT.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:11 pm

I think there is more Lamarckian inheritance rather than Darwinist evolution in TES.

I don't know. How about giving some examples?

While evolution does exist in TES, it seems rather whimsical to me, and often powered by magic and or beliefs. Just look at the Aldmer-Chimer transformation; before they left Summerset, the Chimer were just a group of mer whose thoughts and beliefs differed from the major community of Aldmer, but during and after their journey and settling in Morrowind, they became a race of their own.

Though the funny thing about Chimer-Dunmer evolution is that it can be attributed to both Azuras "curse" as well as Darwinistic evolution, if you want it to.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:16 am

I don't know. How about giving some examples?

While evolution does exist in TES, it seems rather whimsical to me, and often powered by magic and or beliefs. Just look at the Aldmer-Chimer transformation; before they left Summerset, the Chimer were just a group of mer whose thoughts and beliefs differed from the major community of Aldmer, but during and after their journey and settling in Morrowind, they became a race of their own.

Though the funny thing about Chimer-Dunmer evolution is that it can be attributed to both Azuras "curse" as well as Darwinistic evolution, if you want it to.

WHAT Darwinistic evolution?

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:12 am

WHAT Darwinistic evolution?

Survival of the fitest, as you know. In the harsh environment of Morrowind, the ones with the thickest thin managed better, and in time, their skin turned gray because of the thickness. As for their eyes, that was just a wim of nature, since a surprisingly large quantity of the thick-skin chimer for some reason had latent red-eye genes in them.

EDIT: And of course, I meant Darwinian evolution.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:26 pm

While evolution does exist in TES, it seems rather whimsical to me, and often powered by magic and or beliefs. Just look at the Aldmer-Chimer transformation; before they left Summerset, the Chimer were just a group of mer whose thoughts and beliefs differed from the major community of Aldmer, but during and after their journey and settling in Morrowind, they became a race of their own

You answered your own request for an example: that is exactly what Lamarckian inheritance is like. You become something different by striving to be different, and this is inherited by your offspring.