EWHy do people hate all the Mer so much? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:12 am

1. Exactly. Gortwog's a genis. He didn't want too rule Tamriel like an ass, and just wanted his people too be recognized.
2. I just like Bosmer. If elves in generic fantasy were like Wood Elves I would like LOTR.
3. Eh. I suppose. Again, I just despise most of the races of men.

Gortwog is very smart. Not many people would be happy with an Orc leader. Especially one that worships Malacath. (I think he does)

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:10 am

Gortwog is very smart. Not many people would be happy with an Orc leader. Especially one that worships Malacath. (I think he does)

No, he worships Triminac, the hero aldmer god person dude before he became the giant pile of poopy, known as Malacath, from Beothiah. And he's trying to steer his fellow orcs into stop worshiping Malacath, because he thinks he can reverse this curse on Triminac and bring him back, or something like that.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:06 pm

Gortwog is very smart. Not many people would be happy with an Orc leader. Especially one that worships Malacath. (I think he does)

No, Gortwog wants to bring back the worship of Trinimac. Though he is a smart and effective leader from what I've read in the forums.

Traditionally, the Orcs have worshipped the Daedra Malacath (Mauloch) as their patron deity. Gortwog, however, has established a new priesthood devoted to the worship of Trinimac, the ancient hero of the Orcs, who legend has it was devoured by Boethia and became the Daedra Malacath. The Orc King's belief that Trinimac still lives and that Malacath is a separate entity, a demon whose aim was to keep the Orsimer pariah folk forever, is the official position of the shaman priests of Orsinium. A minority of traditionalists within the territory, and the majority of Orcs without, view this as heresy. (PGE 3rd)

By the way, these pages from www.tvtropes.org are kind of enjoyable: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurElvesAreBetter

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewYouElves

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:35 pm

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewYouElves

Checkmate, Thropes.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:40 pm

Links to TVtropes lead to thousands of man-years to be spent in web surfing.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:30 pm

would it help if we wrote it out as creator and/or trickster and/or tester? because thats what he is. to some people he is simply the creator, to others he is a trickster, to others still he is both (or neither).

Nah, the wiki article is fine for what it's meant to be. Particularly when you consider the nature of some of his avatars, Lorkhan as a "trickster deity" fits well, if you understand what is meant by the term "trickster deity" and its meaning in the study of mythology. I simply object to referencing a wiki article as "proof" in a lore argument... particularly one that is being played as containing heavy doses of ethnic bias. The UESP does not exist in-game OR in-universe by any standard.

» Sat May 28, 2011 9:59 pm

Nah, the wiki article is fine for what it's meant to be. Particularly when you consider the nature of some of his avatars, Lorkhan as a "trickster deity" fits well, if you understand what is meant by the term "trickster deity" and its meaning in the study of mythology. I simply object to referencing a wiki article as "proof" in a lore argument... particularly one that is being played as containing heavy doses of ethnic bias. The UESP does not exist in-game OR in-universe by any standard.

It doesn't make the info totally unreliable it uses in-game sources for this stuff correct? Also, its the devs who stated non-ingame sources aren't trust worthy but in-game sources from only Oblivion are very questionable due to how little lore Oblivion followed from previous games so I wouldn't say the devs are right on this. If we come across a reliable out of game source its just fie to use it when talking about the lore. Some information that is clearly opinion shouldn't be trusted but the stuff on Lorkhan seems more fact then opinion.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:01 pm

The UESP does not exist in-game OR in-universe by any standard.

It has requirements that lore pages be in an in-world viewpoint though, which is just distressing.

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:42 am

same reason we kill the adoring fan. They're annoying

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:22 pm

It has requirements that lore pages be in an in-world viewpoint though, which is just distressing.

Why is that distressing?

:turtle:

» Sat May 28, 2011 8:14 pm

Checkmate, Thropes.

Dammit, it's Tropes TROPES! My name=that thing. yes it's confusing. Prow dosen't spell good, and it stuck because on the til chat when you say something it's out so you don't get to proofread. So My name is Tropes, and that thing is also tropes.

But yeah, I already knew it was a trope. And I fulfill it gloriously.

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:28 am

On Topic: I personally have never seen an ingame example of High Elf snobbines, i've read lore on it and such in books, but never witnessed it. Dunmer however in Morrowind are so stuck up that often i kill them and just pay the fine, it's worth it sometimes. Bosmer are annoying as hell, especially the womens voices in Morrowind. I usually play as a Nord however, and it fits my rp to naturally hate all elves.

» Sat May 28, 2011 4:10 pm

On Topic: I personally have never seen an ingame example of High Elf snobbines, i've read lore on it and such in books, but never witnessed it. Dunmer however in Morrowind are so stuck up that often i kill them and just pay the fine, it's worth it sometimes. Bosmer are annoying as hell, especially the womens voices in Morrowind. I usually play as a Nord however, and it fits my rp to naturally hate all elves.

The whole "I supposed I should help those less fortunate than me" crude that altmer spout every time I'm close to one gets annoying.

» Sat May 28, 2011 6:01 pm

Pfft. It's not even their conceited greetings that annoy me. They just have a very wordy dialog:

"I, too, do enjoy a good conversation."

Honestly, it gets annoying after a while.

» Sun May 29, 2011 1:52 am

It's basic Racism played out in the game. Same reason the U.S had racial tension from its founding to even today. Some people dont like others because they look different. Its the reason men dont like mer, visa verca. It's still stupid, whether its real racism or game racism.

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:23 am

Thou Altmer racism isn't just because they think Men and Beast looks weird or ugly, it's because they're pride and believes themselves to be descendants of the Gods.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:34 pm

It has requirements that lore pages be in an in-world viewpoint though, which is just distressing.

Whose in-world viewpoint?

» Sun May 29, 2011 12:04 am

On Topic: I personally have never seen an ingame example of High Elf snobbines, i've read lore on it and such in books, but never witnessed it. Dunmer however in Morrowind are so stuck up that often i kill them and just pay the fine, it's worth it sometimes. Bosmer are annoying as hell, especially the womens voices in Morrowind. I usually play as a Nord however, and it fits my rp to naturally hate all elves.

The Altmer are the only ones that don't play by the rules, all of them are very polite and don't show any trace of racism. The Dunmer and Bosmer play their roles though: the characters you use to hate while playing are almost always of these two races. But Dunmer like Falano Hlaalu are quite nice too, just very weird.

» Sat May 28, 2011 10:14 am

The Altmer are the only ones that don't play by the rules, all of them are very polite and don't show any trace of racism. The Dunmer and Bosmer play their roles though: the characters you use to hate while playing are almost always of these two races. But Dunmer like Falano Hlaalu are quite nice too, just very weird.

I like the Dunmer actually, or the Daggerfall and Morrowind Dunmer that is. Especially Morgiah :wub: . And Falano Hlaalu is weird

Spoiler

but necromancy isn't evil you know.

:nono:

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:13 pm

Maybe she got necromancy confused with necrophilia

Or maybe she just likes it like that, I am not judging here.

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:05 am

All of this injustice will not go unseen by us Bosmer. When you don't wake up in the morning, you won't know why. :nono:

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:07 pm

All of this injustice will not go unseen by us Bosmer. When you don't wake up in the morning, you won't know why. :nono:

Jack Bauer got angry? We all know Bosmer are too annoying and noisy to make a stealthy kill. DEATH TO THE BOSMER!!! We can give Valenwood to the Orsimer.

» Sat May 28, 2011 7:43 pm

this thread is just spam and needs to be locked :shakehead:

» Sun May 29, 2011 2:03 am

this thread is just spam and needs to be locked :shakehead:

Lets get back ON topic then.

I sort of get the hatred of most the elves but I don't get why everyone hates every elf just for being an elf. For example, a lot of people seem to hate elves because of the Shor situation but there is no way every elf in existence agrees or even thinks that's what should have happened so do you hate them also or no?

» Sat May 28, 2011 11:56 pm

Seven pages is enough.