Because Shor demands it.

I got the impression that it was more of a loophole in the law that Malacath had you fix. I'll check back.

Because if the elves religion comes to fruition, then we won't be able to have any more games. as has been said, to the Elves creation is a travesty and it "robbed" them of their "rightful" divinity. also, I don't think they have any 'rightful" divinity. No more than humans or beastfolk. Actually, probably less than beastfolk.

Also, it annoys me that tone they have about their afterlife, in that all the human afterlives are just the humans being too ignorant to tell that the elves are always right about evberything, which they aren't.

Also, leook at Nords, look at Altmer. Enough said.

Like I said, both men and elves probably have part of the truth. The elves may not be wrong in saying mortals used to be gods, but they might be wrong in saying the Mundus is only a trap.

Or, as Haskill seems to think, nobody may have it yet, but that's a different issue.

You are right that each facet may or may not be wrong. However, I don't think they say "mortals" used to be gods. They say elves used to be, and each set of them claims that they're the closest, so at least somebody's got at least one thing not-quite-right.

And what if the elves were right? What if, back in the Mythic Dawn, they were more powerful, immortal? And the races of men, they were bugs, insects. Would you not feel resentment that you were ripped from glory to be cast down on a mud ball filled with squalid hairy pink humans whose lifespan was but the wink of an eye? Let's try replacing a few words: What if we did this with the races of men, and they were cast onto a mudball with some guar who thought they were the best thing since sliced bread? And as the guar - for some bizarre reason - seem to flourish, the Nords grow less and less powerful.

Men aren't on a higher horse than mer; the Nords slaughter the elves, regardless of each individual's life and temperament. Pelinel and the Nedes committed genocide on anything that didn't look like a Nede - including the Khajiit.

:shrug: It's silly to hate one or the other and stereotype them all.

Lots of reasons, many of which have already been said, but I will summarize and add:

1. Elf characters are almost universally annoying, whether it comes to snooty high elves, annoying wood elves, or misanthropic dark elves. There are some exceptions (the Bosmer chick at the mages' guild in Redguard was teh hotness, both Divyth Fyr and Baladas Dimveneli (or whatever) are awesome, and... that one Altmer... um... ok, all Altmer svck), but in general, the elves are the most iconically unlikeable.

2. Many of us play up the ancient animosity between elves and men from a manish point of view. On the one hand, the elves (particularly the Ayleids) enslaved our ancestors. On the other, our ancestors responded in an often genocidal fashion.

3. The elves have most of the more ancient and interesting documents credited to them, from the Anuad (Bosmer/Ayleid), to the Sermons (Dumer). Men don't have much, probably because literacy is much less recent among men on the one hand, and because of a procedural bias against oral tradition on the other. The result is that "truth" in the lore community is often synonymous with "the elvish point of view", and you may be responding to a recent reactionary flare against this trend, in which I gleefully participate. Of course, just like Anuiel/Akatosh and Lorkhan/Shezarr/Shor are one, we are still one community, but it is fun to play up the conflict.



Duh. (.)(.)

Be that as it may, I rather like existing. I wouldn't like that to change.

Even though it will.

Pelinal may have been notorious for killing Ayleids (and khajiits, at least until he figured out that they're different) but the Nedes didn't commit genocide. Not only did they take Ayleid prisoners, they lived alongside Ayleids for some time.

Now the Alessian Order was another story, but even even then they were opposed by fellow Cyrodiils. Violently.

Yeah, it's realy fun to mess with stuff.

It's a lot of it because the only full sources of lore we really have are Morrowind and it's books. Let's face it, detailed as daggerfall was it was more into it's own story and people, which is fine, but it dosen't give a lot of metaphysics. Sure, we have KotN and Bloodmoon for Nedes and Nords, but it's just not as much. But it's something. The real issue is that we don't have a big enough human viewpoint to contrast with the elven, so some folk get sick of it. Here's hoping we get a hell of a TESV in Skyrim to fix that little problem.

Oh, and also, the elves are a bunch of effeminate, pansy-ass spellcasters. real men like Ysmir/Tiber Septim and Cyrus the Restless take their weapons of steel and flesh and rip their foes apart to spill their blood up close, not mutter in dead languages from musty old books to evicerate men from across the continent. (Pay no attention to the mages behind the curtain of curse, like Zurin Arctus and that old Yoku lady).


People always confuse that. Allesian order was way later.

But pelinal did kill anything nonhuman. Being an avatar of Shezzar, who shouldn't he kill the children of His enemy?

However, he did slay a few hundred humans occasionally when he went completely berserk.

well, c'mon, I think berserker rages count as legal insanity and he shouldn't be held responsible for unmaking parts of existence when he did.

Tiber Septim was a Breton. He was born in Alcaire.

He took on a Nordic aspect, though.

Why not just say everyone hates everyone?

That's pretty much how it is in TES. Except those elves need to be removed. They're too dangerous, and Shor commands they're all go away.

Well Shor can have a permanent vacation to the Deadlands then. bliviongate: Besides, not all elves are dangerouse. Some are just clever. Basically, if we keep Mannimarco, Morgiah, and the Telvanni or some of the Telvanni I would be more then willing to have someone try to kill off all the elves and succeed in destroying the Bosmer (Nothing good has come from them anyway) as well as the Altmer and most of the Dunmer or Azura could turn the Dunmer back into Chimer.

But you think that the races of men mean human as in Real Life humans. Same shape, same round ears - who cares?

And some of the mer are pretty cool. That Oryen dude in Oblivion was fun, I liked his drawing of the Argonian. Divyath Fyr and Aryon are cool, Dratha is funny, Barenziah is a living legend... :shrug: Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

MORGIAH! MORGIAH! MORGIAH! You forgot Morgiah! :blink: She's my favorite elf and the Queen of Firsthold! Save her too!

True, but they're not fundamentalist maniacs hell-bent on omnicide.

Gortwog would smash the foolish men you noticed in face before they could react. And the wood elves are cannibals. And crazy. And make some of the best marksman in the whole of Tamriel. So an army of tiny fairy like men slaughtering other armies before they could even reach them, then eating their corpses. Plus, Cyrus equals stupid!

Few things:
1. Gortwog was content with not being hunted for dungeon loot, or otherwise we would be praising him as the "tenth divine" for conquering all of Tamriel with the Numidium.
2. The Bosmer would only last for so long before an orc or nord got in close and started to bash their brains in... also, there's the shield.
3. Cyrus was a genius (IMO). Also, you have to wonder if the pankratosword would have actually destroyed Vivec or simply killed him for a time.

Pelinal Whitestrake was an awesome guy. I am the divine crusader and I slaughter elves too. What is so wrong with that? Only difference is I don't hunt down Khajiit.

In the game I play generally as a friend to all except the hideous Argonians. . . and them I generally just avoid. Yet I will say that I also left Umaril unassailed upon his throne in Garlas Malatar, and having bewitched his Auroran's that I might inspect them and go unhindered on my way, I left them to their gathering. And I placed a king back on the Throne in Nenelata, and having slain the wraiths he sent against me in his betrayl, I left him alive, to gather the remnants of his race if he could so manage. Because it pleased me to do so (of course, as there are no real alternate consequences in the game, it didn't really matter lol)

Who'da thought they had access to microsoft paint in Chorrol?

And to all those screaming that the dunmer are racists, is it really feasible to expect isolationist and later half-conquered elves in a fantasy world to have the same attitudes to culture and identity as a 21st century American? If the next game has all Dunmer as abolitionists and pro-imperial reformers, I'm blaming those of you who can take so much offense at a fictional world...


Oh, and for the record, I think pro-tree anti-cat cannibal metamorphs who wear wagonwheel helmets are awesome.

Wow, I read all these strange yet funny replies and not one person has even mentioned the Orcs; almost as if you forgot about them. Aren't they Mer too? Orcs are the best, yet everybody looks down on them( literally they really look up, but I mean figuratively.) Over the years the Orcs have learned to control their temper and now serve as loyal, strong and faithful soldiers in the Imperial Legion(Most of them). Even though their aren't many Mages among them; it doesn't mean that they're not smart. They are very intelligent; Magic just doesn't interest them like iron, steel, flame and strength does. They are powerful warriors of honor. The Orcs are really the best Race, although, they don't consider themselves better. Yet, everybody forgets about them.