Orcs were pansy-asses once, long ago in the days of Trinimac. Then he was eaten, and the Orcs learned the hard lessons that men had been forced into learning back in the days of Atmora, thus becoming [censored].

Also, I am like pelinal in that god-speak just pisses me off. and since your average elf just sits and mutters god-speak to anyone with enough free time to listen, elves tend to piss me off.

The KoW does mutter god-speak on occasion, you just have to give him a few drinks and get him started on politics and euthenasia.

Do you hate all Mer or just the ones that mutter god-speak since there are some Dunmer, Altmer, and maybe even Bosmer who wouldn't do that. Morgiah and the KoW, for example, won't muter god speak but everyone in the Tribunal Temple or Imperial cult will. (As well as the Countess of Leyawiin and Alessia Otis) The Telvanni wouldn't mutter any god-speak either.

I'm a Shorist. we're too busy testing and proving correct sword-theory to mustter godspeak over our scrolls.

And as Shorists, we are required to hate all elves, and wish for their utter destruction for crimes against Shor and being elves.

And as Shorists, we are required to hate all elves, and wish for their utter destruction for crimes against Shor and being elves.

Yeah, their god ate our god, so we're a little miffed, you understand. Reverse-mantling vengeance.

Shor is Lorkhan and Lorkhan is a trickster so I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.

Shor is Lorkhan and Lorkhan is a trickster so I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. Besides, you would have to kill the KoW and Morgiah then. Besides, you can kill every other elf besides them and my character (If I make an elf) for all I care.

Go and punish their god then. Not the Mer. It's not their fault Lorkhan was an untrustworthy trickster that no one else liked.

Shor is Lorkhan and Lorkhan is a trickster so I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. Besides, you would have to kill the KoW and Morgiah then. Besides, you can kill every other elf besides them and my character (If I make an elf) for all I care.



Go and punish their god then. Not the Mer. It's not their fault Lorkhan was an untrustworthy trickster that no one else liked.

So sayith the Elves. Is there a single non-meric source that supports this?

The thing we call UESP supports this theory too and as I have said before, why is it all the Mer's fault? Clearly Mannimarco, Morgiah, and the Telvanni don't care all that much for the Elven Gods and the Mer that all followers of the Nine don't either. So why do you blame them too? Just punish those who follow the Elven gods.

And where does the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Page get that information? From elvish sources.

Yokudan version of Lorkhan. Sep is born when Tall Papa creates someone to help him regulate the spirit trade. Sep, though, is driven crazy by the hunger of Satakal, and he convinces some of the gods to help him make an easier alternative to the Walkabout. This, of course, is the world as we know it, and the spirits who followed Sep become trapped here, to live out their lives as mortals. Sep is punished by Tall Papa for his transgressions, but his hunger lives on as a void in the stars, a 'non-space' that tries to upset mortal entry into the Far Shores.

In Bretony, the Bad Man is the source of all strife. He seems to have started as the god of crop failure, but most modern theologians agree that he is a demonized version of the Nordic Shor, born during the dark years after the fall of Sarthal.

Nordic version of Lorkhan, who takes sides with Men after the creation of the world. Foreign gods (i.e., Elven ones) conspire against him and bring about his defeat, dooming him to the underworld. Atmoran myths depict him as a bloodthirsty warrior king who leads the Nords to victory over their Aldmeri oppressors time and again. Before his doom, Shor was the chief of the gods. Sometimes also called Children's God (see Orkey).

Cyrodilic version of Lorkhan, a synthesis of Nordic Shor and Aldmeri Auriel. His importance suffered when Akatosh came to the fore of Nibenay religion. Shezarr was the spirit behind all human undertaking, especially against Aldmeri aggression. He is sometimes associated with the founding of the first Cyrodilic battlemages. In the present age of racial tolerance, Shezarr is all but forgotten. In 1E 266 the lost Shezarr, the missing sibling god of the Eight Divines, arrived at the White Gold Tower in the Imperial City and transformed the dying Alessia into the first of the Cyrodilic saints becoming the first gem in the Cyrodilic Amulet of Kings.

The thing we call UESP supports this theory too and as I have said before, why is it all the Mer's fault? Clearly Mannimarco, Morgiah, and the Telvanni don't care all that much for the Elven Gods and the Mer that all followers of the Nine don't either. So why do you blame them too? Just punish those who follow the Elven gods.

:rofl: I was waiting for this.



http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Lorkhan UESP? I see nothing there about Lorkhan being a trickster deity.

This Creator-Trickster-Tester deity is in every Tamrielic mythic tradition. His most popular name is the Aldmeri 'Lorkhan', or Doom Drum. He convinced or contrived the Original Spirits to bring about the creation of the mortal plane, upsetting the status quo-- much like his father Padomay had introduced instability into the universe in the Beginning Place. After the world is materialized, Lorkhan is separated from his divine center, sometimes involuntarily, and wanders the creation of the et'Ada. He and his metaphysical placement in the 'scheme of things' are interpreted a variety of ways.

* In Morrowind, for example, he is a being related to the Psijiic Endeavor, a process by which mortals are charged with transcending the gods that created them. To the High Elves, he is the most unholy of all higher powers, as he forever broke their connection to the spirit plane.
* In the legends, he is almost always an enemy of the Aldmer and, therefore, a hero of early Mankind. The moons of Nirn, Masser and Secunda, are his "Flesh-Divinity." Like the other gods he was a plane[t] that participated in creation. His plane[t] split and his divine spark fell to Nirn. The moons represent the "Cloven Duality" that is center to Lorkhan's ideals, and are a reminder to man of his duty. Recently the moons have begun dissolving, large black patches are appearing on their surfaces. These are not shadows as stars can be seen through them.
* In Oblivion, Mankar Camoran claims that Lorkhan is a Daedra whose Daedric plane is "Dawn's Beauty ... misnamed Tamriel by deluded mortals." (Though this may be incorrect, see Mankar's page).
* Other names for Lorkhan include Sep in Hammerfell, Sheor in High Rock, Shor in Skyrim, and Shezarr in Cyrodil.

would it help if we wrote it out as creator and/or trickster and/or tester? because thats what he is. to some people he is simply the creator, to others he is a trickster, to others still he is both (or neither).

Few things:
1. Gortwog was content with not being hunted for dungeon loot, or otherwise we would be praising him as the "tenth divine" for conquering all of Tamriel with the Numidium.
2. The Bosmer would only last for so long before an orc or nord got in close and started to bash their brains in... also, there's the shield.
3. Cyrus was a genius (IMO). Also, you have to wonder if the pankratosword would have actually destroyed Vivec or simply killed him for a time.