The only group that should be complaining is the PS3 users and I'm pretty sure they will get the DLC's eventually. I don't think the PC or the PS3 is going to miss Dead Money that much with the exception of the +5 Level Cap. Should all 3 groups get it yeah if someone is going to release a Game for 2 consoles and PC and then decide that they want DLC in the game then all 3 groups should get it. Its either you release the DLC for all 3 groups within a certain time period or just make Future Fallout games exclusive to the 360 and the PC. With the 360 getting the DLC and the PC getting even more expansion on Modding.

Exclusive deals are a common (and legitimate) part of business. All this outrage comes off naive imo.

I'm even more at a loss that anyone would be ticked that there's no co op in Fallout. I mean really? Really???

:facepalm:




Well yeah, it's savvy business practices in a very competitive market. Sure they could do the warm fuzzy thing but they are trying to WIN. Winning in business = more profits = happy stockholders = hopefully having fewer layoffs.....uh.......in a perfect world.

I agree that all the rage is a bit over the top. I am like many who cannot play Dead Money because I own a PC, and as such have had to stop playing New Vegas until better days arrive and we can all share in the DLC love (assuming we get to buy them individually).

It is Not enjoyable, but it is their right as a business to make such deals. I don't see this as an isolated incident either, I fully expect Skyrim and other future games to follow the same lines if the business model works out. In my case I'm actually going to pass on Dead Money and any other exclusive DLC, as I already purchased several copies of the full game and will thus have no desire to buy a GOTY edition (assuming that comes out). So in this case I actually have to miss out completely if Dead Money only comes on the GOTY version for PC. We'll see!

Such as life, Bethesda has done too much good in their support of the modding community and in making great games to turn back on them over one nasty habbit. I've going back to Fallout3 modding and will wait for Skyrim!

Miax

I will not deny that sony did drop the ball by assuming that years of *owning* the video game console area would guarantee safety.When in fact it led to them getting rail roaded by microsoft aggressive marketing compaign to solidify their spot in the video game industry.For what i noticed the biggest problem with ps3 is the non ingame voice chat option.Heard it was ea's half assed games *code/ect* that do not permit xmb to be implemented ingame.Sony tryed to insert xmb but they were threatened by ea due to the fact their games would be shown as inferior to other companies.

Although tbh i value competition to help spur along advancement A K A capitolism,But how microsoft trys to spread and take over things scares me lol.Ive read alot about how microsft strong arms companies and its not something i support .Only thing that could be worse then microsft in the gaming industry would be ea making their own console haha.
Demon hoppa online co op does not belong in fallout ,ill be damned if i ever buy a game from bethesda if they murder the quality of single player to satisfy the ppl wanting a fable esque experience. Not trying to flame but if yall want co op the mmorpg by the ill repute interplay will be here someday lol.
Till that comes i hope for the love of jesus christ that bethesda does not permit such blasphemy to taint the fallout franchise.Yes Je Sawyer im psychic and will know if u have even the slightest idea of coop being good,I will hautn your closet pointing my simian finger at you every chance i get :cheat: l0l

they need to add a monkey emote

I agree, co op does not belong in Fallout.......which is what I said. :goodjob:

m y bad thought u did promote it haha im stupid P

An idea of co-op doesn't fit anywhere in the FO stories. You're called "the" courier, not "a" courier.

i hate how everyone says, "there just using the 360 as Bug Testers, dont worry about it"

does anyone know how Buggy and messed up the ps3 version was compared to the 360.
The Pitt was absolutely horrible.

you couldnt find all the ingots or wild bill.

I don't agree at all that there are no great single player games with great co-op campaigns aswell. Gears of War 1,2, Halo 3, Reach, GTA Ic an't be bothered to list them all although I don't think there is that many.
I think co-op Fallout would be awful though and other parts of the game would suffer because of it. I play alot of games co-op, it's a good way for me to keep in touch with my brother but, I'd never co-op Fallout with anyone ever!
EVER!
It would ruin the experience for me, the feeling of being alone, wandering the wasteland.
Fair enough there's companions and they occasionally spew 1 of 3 lines again and again but atleast they aren't talking to you. they blindly follow you, don't question what to do next or even worse have a sudden feeling of guilt when you're about to poison someone's Nuka Cola and you's fight over what to do.

Co-op? no thanks...

As for PS3 Fallout players, I do feel for you. I've never give it much thought before as it's never affected me not being able to buy DLC's as soon as they come out. I have a pretty souped-up PC and I'm getting a PS3 this week but, if I didn't have one and the DLC came out exclusively for it I'd be devastated. Well, I'd actually go out and buy a PS3 solely for that but you shouldn't have to. I'm doing that for Metal Gear Solid 4 and I'm suprised I'm managed to hold out so long to be honest as I'm a huge fan and it's killed me not being able to play it.
It's always all about the money though and it seems like there's alot of unhappy people on these forums but in reality we are barely a handfull and our opinions count for nothing when we're going up against money, real money the kind of numbers I can pronounce but can't write.
It's a shame, especially when you's are still getting a buggy DLC ages after we've had them.

aaaah, console war, going on since the NES/Master System era, the names may change but war...war never changes :hubbahubba:

So what if MS got a temporay DLC(s?) exclusivity with this game? Sony did the same with other games (UT3 anyone?).
They all do deals, the thing is... I think MS has better taste when it comes to pick them.

I don't want co-op. It makes no sense. This is not Halo. It's an RPG.

Nice

As for those pissed off for not being able to buy the DLC, just remember that the proper pronounciation of "DLC" is "What a rip-off! You should be ashamed of yourselves! :swear:" ^_^

As for co-op, just say: "No! :stare:".

The PC is getting it, just most likely last. Financially for Bethesda, it's great they made it exclusive for a short time.The dlc was fun but nothing amazing. There are other games out there, just be patient until it's released to your system.

No company, not even Microsoft, has unlimited money with which to buy exclusive content. While I'm unhappy about not having access to Dead Money cause I'm a PC player, I have to wonder what's so wrong with the X-Box, that Microsoft feels compelled to spend extra money on it, to give it an edge.

Yeah I guess there aren't any good companies left in the world. Its all about making money (now) rather then long term. I simply won't buy the add-ons if Bethesda is going to act like this.

Thank you for a nice well-reasoned, unemotional response. In my opinion and based on my dealings with MS in many different aspects, I would expect DLC on Game for Windows LIVE or whatever it is, in the not too distant future. It only makes sense, they are BOTH MS platforms and let's be honest, Gamebryo games play better on MS platforms.

PS3 owners, I'm sorry Sony didn't step up to plate. I'm sorry you bought the wrong console for this game, but please quit maligning MS. If Sony had the gotten the exclusive DLC you'd be nuking these forums with how lame it is to own an Xbox because Sony Exclusives are so much superior. Read ANY gaming forum and tell me I'm wrong.

*To the Mod (sorry can't remember your name) that said early in this topic, tell me any game with a great campaign AND multi-palyer, I offer Halo:Reach - I don't do multi-player, but I hear it is stellar. Campaign: Halo:Reach surprisingly was MY pick for GotY after that albeit short, but heart-wrenching campaign. Thankfully a few smaller sites also gave it GotY along with LOTS of lesser awards from ALL the big sites.

**I am also personally VERY opposed to multi-player for ANY FO or ES gamesas, game. I was only contridicting your reasoning.

I don't fully comprehend most of your post, but from what I can interpret, you are bothered by the obvious MS dominance in the gaming world.

That's how I felt when Sony nuked Nintendo. MS has some smokin' products and exclusive deals, but for 2011 SONY has more exclusive than Xbox so far. OMG should I be SCEAMING about that and how unfair it is????

Oh and also 'the ONLY problem with the PS3 is voicechat'. Guess again. But from what I've read 2011 is again going to be the year of the PS3 (how many times have we heard this).... even with EIGHT MILLION kinect sales in 2 months. Source Washinton Post:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2010/12/playstation_move_vs_kinect_sal.html?hpid=news-col-blog
And Mashable
http://mashable.com/2011/01/05/kinect-sales/#

Enjoy FO:NV on your PS3 or if you are in a better financial situation than me BUY an Xbox to more fully enjoy it. But don't get so worked up over a slight to your console of CHOICE.

Seriously? IT'S A DLC GET THE HELL OVER IT. What is 20 hours of potential gameplay going to do for you?

It's a DLC.. for more fun..

People want to 'experience' the thing, not read about it in less than two minutes off the wiki.

You're so right, it's like these bastard corporations just want to make money or something; some of the most evil, greedy, scum in the world... possibly some kind of world domination conspiricy between Bethesda and the Reptillian Shapeshifters.

Look, yeah artistic pride is good but that's what companies do, if Bethesda's finiance guys get an offer from Microsoft or whatever to make more money by making [censored] exclusive and everyone negatively affected still buys all the DLC in a few months time regardless, it's not "bad" it's just business.

All i can say is BAH.

It's bad enough that the consolification of the franchise has gone this far, and it's unfortunate that state of the market requires it. It's worse when the first DLC is obviously designed for console players and even so, then limited to the X box. It's unfortunate that we PC players must rely on third party mods to have a decent UI, and it's downright oppressively annoying that game mechanics have been dummied down to the extent they have been. The two Fallouts are a done deal, but Skyrim isn't.

Let's see how that turns out.

Actually this was about as emotionally charged as I felt safe making it. Being a big fan of Bethesda Game Studios, my first instinct is not to criticize until I feel I understand the issue at hand as well as I am likely able to. In this case with the motivation purely on profit at the expense of the gamers, I felt compelled to voice my opposition to this business practice in the strongest possible language that I could while trying to remain professional and serious. I hope my voice with the many others who feel this way about the exclusive DLCs will help dissuade Bethesda from such fan-busting practices in the future - its the only vote I have.

As such I'll stay happily in the DC Wastelands modding for Fallout 3 - which I don't have to worry about such issues with anymore, and which presents a fully working mod-platform with most of the goodies worked out

Miax

That is possible the most naive post I've ever read on these forums.
This isn't about slagging off consoles and which one is better. Nobody cares on here so take your war somewhere else. It's just business, I've already stated on here that I do feel sorry for PS3 or PC Fallout players and it seems really unfair for them to have to buy another consoel just to get to play another chapter of the game but, exclusives happen.
The PS3 has exclusive games, it has exclusive DLC, every format does. I'm not going to name names because I'm not interested in which console is better than the other, it's just what the companies do to ensure you by their console. 2 consoles with exactley the same games and DLC isn't really a smart business move is it? Eventually everyone would go buy the same console that their friends have, who'd buy the same console as their friends have and their friends friends until it spreads acrss the country and the world until one console is the standard and the other has been made redundant. It doesn't necassarily mean the 'best' console would win, just whichever one set the trend and got people buying. It's not a smart business move. You have to give your product an edge and this (exclusive games or DLC) is just a small part of a war which has been waged for decades.

Microsoft & it's "throw money at the XBox to make it more popular!" tactics have bugged me since they bought up Bungie Studios (a great long-time Mac-first team) and switched Halo 1 from a Mac/PC simultaneous release into an XBox first, PC eventually, oh hey they finally released a Mac version, release. (And then went further by making the PC release of Halo 2 into a crowbar to force Vista upgrades. Still haven't played that game. :sadvaultboy: )