I don't really mind, as long as they don't do a Bioware and give you DLC that lasts two hours or consists of three new items. I suspect (or at least hope) that Bethesda learnt enough from their infamous Horse Armour escapade to try it again, though.

A poll that represents such a small portion of the market Bethesda is going for isn't gonna really sway their decisions much. The vast majority of people that will buy Skryim will never even come to these forums.

Yet their biggest fans are on these forums

No doubt, but money rules all.

It is a decent straw poll, though; albeit with caveats, the foremost being that forumers are for whatever reason a bit of a self-selected group, but it's feedback that's not entirely unrepresentative nonetheless.

This poll is basically rigged just by being on these forums. I wouldn't necessarily say it's even close to representative. I'm sure Bethesda has spent quite a bit of time looking at what form of post game content is in the most demand. I would love an expansion, but unfortunately, I'm not in charge of Bethesda's financial decisions.

I'm sure a great poll for Bethesda was looking at the numbers of who bought standard DLC vs expansion packs.

I REALLY like expansions. Far more bang for your buck. I spent so much time in Shivering Isles, far more than in KotN and all the others together. But i think they already said they werent making any, so - modders, commence!

Where better to assess information and feature demographics THAN YOUR OWN FORUM?

what would someone who's never played the series, who doesn't even know what TES is have, to offer?

You really think the majority of people that have played TES is on these forums?

:facepalm: that wasn't my question Rag.

I go to several other forums with TES in the repritore of course not.

You implied that if you're not on these forums you don't know what TES is. Pretty ignorant. :brokencomputer:

:confused: Are you kidding me?

So...because I said, the companies own forum is a prime area to assess what directions are good to take, MIND YOU THEY DO THIS ALREADY, people. who have NEVER played the game, Im not talking about other forums, Im talking about people who don't know the series and don play the game, ever. is implying people don't know TES...when they've never played it.


Alright, K.

ummmm, an expansion is DLC....

Listen, when I say most of the people that will by this game are not on this forum, and you come in "Der, they not know TES is, Der!" Since I was the only one arguing against the validity of this poll don't try and act like you weren't trying to counter what I was saying.

...........ok alright let me break this down

I'm not even discussing the poll, im talking about the Forum i didnt even vote on the poll

I never said a thing about people on other Forums, Period


I explicitly said people who have never played the series and don't know what TES is have little to offer. as you may no doubt have witnessed.


You're a recent to the forums at a first glance, so i'll have you know Beth practicing gather information and implications from its own forum isnt new, they did it since time imemorial for each major title.

I agree, but so does Bethesda, and like all companies, they want more of your buck. If they make Fallout 3ish DLC's, I won't be too disappointed. Operation Anchorage and Motherf***er Zeta both svcked though. If they make DLC like The Pitt and Point Lookout, and add a little bit more, than I won't have complaints. But me, and practically everyone else, would much prefer Shivering Isles/Bloodmoon/Tribunal type expansions over Fallout 3ish DLC. But they get about the same amount of money for less work with small DLC. Same cash, less work; who'd pass that up?

DLC may be in fashion as a business strategy but it's not good for the fans. The fans want additional content that is massive and coherent, regardless the price or how long it takes to develop. The companies want to publish small crumbs of half a quest, half an armor, as many and cheap as possible, because they cash more and faster. What Dragon Age 2 did with dlc available from day 1 is outrageous. Good for business, bad for fans. I hope Bethesda doesn't have to follow every bad move in the industry, because they have a better position than others, being their own publisher.

Morrowind's add-ons were also free...

Never said you were talking about people on forums, and neither was I. Where did you get that from?

And what were you rebutting when you were talking about people that never played it before? You just thought you'd randomly throw that in even though no one was talking about them? As I said, I was the only one saying anything about the relevance of the poll and you decided to throw that in there for some inane reason.

I was on these forums before Oblivion launched, but since the account I had back then was for a paid e-mail I no longer have I am unable to retrieve it.

And getting ideas from the community is a far cry from getting marketing research from it.

I have to say, Shivering Isles was a great addition to the story. You got to understand much more about the Deadra world and how it worked. And to see and hear from a Deadra lord other than Mehrunes Dagon. But on the other hand, when i was finished with the main story, Knights of the Nine was an awesome addition, introducing threats to the world other than just Deadra lords and crazy fanatics. Plus the Crusader relics were totally sweet, and incredibly useful.

You where the first to talk about people on other forums when you thought i was saying people not on these forums in particular have nothing significant to add in relation to the series, I replied I go to many forums with TES in their repritore, I keep saying im talking about people who never played the game or the series. and my point was...this is the Companies own forum, do you think its here just to look pretty? they make sections for Lore, Cheats, Hardware issues, Mods. and your telling me they don't consider whats being said on these forums to their games.

is that what you are telling me?

Are you intentionally trying to come off as dense? When I say people that are not on these forums, it doesn't logically follow that they must be on other forums, and that I must be talking about them.

And no one conducts a serious poll based on a small, isolated segment of the population and expect to get a real world use out of it. Look at spears and levitation. You would think that if they put as much stock in what people on this forum wants they'd have never removed those things. Or that they would run every decision through the forums. You know why they don't? The people here DO NOT represent the wider audience. Do they gather ideas here? Sure. Do they come here to see if what kind of financial decisions they should make. No, they don't.

This.


FOR ANYONE CONFUSED ON THE DIFFERENCE:
DLC literally means: Content which one must download via an internet connection, to be installed locally and run through an existing software.
DLC figuratively means: An add-on. A small addition to an existing software akin to an upgrade. It is less than and expansion and usually around the level a large patch/update for an MMO. Usually contains an item (possibly specially modified), small pack of items, and/or a quest or quest chain. May also contain a 'new' location added to or over an existing part of the world. TES IV Examples: Frostcrag Spire, Horse Armor, Mehrunes' Razor, and Knights of the Nine.
Expansion means: A new [large] area added to the game. Usually contains at least one new city, a new major quest line, possibly a number of smaller quest lines, a new populous for the new area, and several sets of new items. Often contains an entirely new landmass (island, sub-continent). TES IV Example: Shivering Isles.


We still have to pay for it. Also with people actually asking companies to delay games until they're finished/ready (do to the prevalence of incomplete/buggy games getting pushed out with day 1 patches) you would think Developers, if not Publishers as well, would get that people tend to care more about quality than quantity. And a good expansion is worth much more than several small DLC add-ons.

And that worth comes back around to money. Small DLC add-ons obviously tend to be faster and cheaper to make, but often times you will find yourself paying more for a batch of these little DLCs than you would for an expansion with the same amount of content. So not only does small DLC prioritize quantity over quality, but it 'nickle-and-dimes' you by costing you more in the end.

I don't care if they make it 4000 Microsoft Points, they need to put out an expansion like Shivering Isles. The only two Fallout DLC's I liked were Brotherhood of Steel and Lookout Point. SI was still twice as good as both of them combined though, IMO. The tiny little DLC's they put out just don't work as good as full fledged expansions.

I want big expansion like Tribunal come on Bethesda, you can do it!
This is pointless, there is nothing we can do to change decisions made behind the doors of the management department.