But we are willing to wait. I don't remember waiting that long for Shivering Isles.

lol well it seems they don't think so (from the Podcast OXM 4th version) and by wisdom of a particular individual who was accosting me on the PM sometime earlier, beth isn't basing their descision on what people on their own forum thinks.

Whoever invented DLC should be tortured.

I still can't believe the way Todd ripped off consumers with his DLC for Oblivion.

Expansion please, look at Fallout 3 the DLC's were average the only ones that were good was The Pitt (Mainly The story) and Point Lookout (Unique location, New Items, New Quests). Nothing in Oblivion DLC wise beats The Shivering Isles heck I'd put Shivering Isles up against both Bloodmoon and Tribunal in terms of best Expansion pack. Average DLC's are good for other companies and games but not AAAA titles like Skyrim. Plus are we really sure that we want Beth to speed up working on Fallout 4, wouldn't that be better off taking more time to work on FO4 by having some part of the Studio plan the game out while the other part of the crew works on the expansion pack for Skyrim. It makes sense to me at least.

Hey hey hey, come now Todds not the only guy at Bethstudios and he certainly isnt the mind behind it all either don't let their market strategy catch you so easily. he's like a heat sink for praise and criticism at this point, little of which is deserved

The fact is TES games are meant to be played for a LONG time. SI took only about a year to be released after Oblivion came out. I think one year after Skyrim comes out a big chunk of the players will still be playing it, and another big chunk will be happy to come back and play some more for a huge expansion.

Welp, we should at least be taken into consideration.

The reason it didn't seem so long was because I got Oblivion almost a year after its release. Then my brother In-law brought his copy of KotN Pack of Content Packs(To which I will refer to "DLC"s by this name). So I was still playing through Oblivion by the time I got Shivering Isles.

Fallout 3 NEEDED Content Packs because there was so little in the actual game players would lose interest after a month.

Then comes my rant about Dead Money, waste of Ten bucks.

I can't believe Bethesda honestly isn't even going to give us one expansion for Skyrim. We pay more to make up the extra time spent and it seems fairly obvious that we, as a fanbase who attend these forums, immensely (as in 97.84% of us at the time of my posting based on 139 votes) prefer expansions.

More individual packs does not equal more content. How would you like it if instead of giving us Skyrim they just gave us 5 very small games?

I'm reminded of Half Life 2 Episodes. I think I'd be miffed.

That's a matter of the story the addons told, though, it doesn't have anything to do with the format in which they were released. I reckon that the story of Knights of the Nine could have been used for an expansion too. I mean, it would have to be longer and some aspects would need to be changed, but the concept of the player becoming part of an order of holy knights and fighting off an ancient threat could certainly be a part of an expansion too. An expansion doesn't necessarily have to give players a different perspective on something that's already explored in the games main quest, just look at Morrowind's expansions, sure, Tribunal was clearly meant to tie in with Morrowind's original main quest, but Bloodmoon was fairly independent from it, dealing with things that didn't play any part in the original main quest, and it would have easily made sense if it were completed by someone who never touched the original main quest.



Indeed, yes, more content is nice, but it isn't enough just to get more content, usually, we also like it when the additional content is good, and is worth the price that is charged for it. And while I won't say that expansions are always better than DLC in terms of quality, but their format allows them to do things that just can't be done in a small downloadable addon. A quest that takes a couple hours and rewards you with a new suit of armor just can't add as much to the game as Bloodmoon or Shivering Isles.



I have to agree, call it what you will, an expansion or DLC, it's not the name that matters, but what's offered, what I want to see is something on the scale of Tribunal, Bloodmoon or Shivering Isles, it's just easier to distinguish it from small or medium sized DLC by calling it an expansion then saying something on the scale of Shivering Isles every time.



An apt comparison, I think, and since it was brought up, I'd like to point out that we still haven't gotten Episode 3, so much for releasing small, individual content packs allowing fans to weight less than with large expansions when and if Half LIfe 2: Episode 3 is finally released, I'm not sure if the three Episodes combined will offer the same amount of content as Half Life 3 would have if it were released as a single full game, but I'm sure if Valve had not decided to go with the episodic route, we'd have been playing Half Life 3 long ago.

Although the Half Life 2 Episodes aren't QUITE the same as DLC in the usual sense, because they're still part of the same story, just divided into different parts, Episode 2 started off where Episode 1 left off, and if we ever see Episode 3, I'm sure it will too. Thus, if you combine them into one package, it would still play out like a single game, on the other hand, Operation Anchorage, The Pitt, Broken Steel, Mothership Zeta and Point Lookout all have their own independent stories, and only Broken Steel is directly tied to the original story of Fallout 3. They're all connected by the fact that they're all released for the same game, but each one plays out like events that are in no way related to each other beyond happening in the same world and all having your character involved in them.

So, as I realize they've stated, they are sticking to DLC. This is a which do you want. I want both. Why can't I select both? Obviously a large, cohesive, well-done expansion beats DLC. That's a no brainer. I want both.

The poll is about which you want more. Many small ones or one or two large ones. Sure, want both, but this is about deciding which strategy we think they should use. They can't do too much of both, their resources are limited.

I would love an expansion or two. I have heard that they will only make FO3 sized dlcs, but that was from someone on this forum and I don't know if it has been confirmed.

huge difference.

no, not really...

Shivering Isles was really just a bigger DLC. A real expansion should add stuff into the main game itself, not just one new area or campaign, like for example, new races, new classes, more perks that you can get without going to a new area.

That is the most unusual definition of an expansion I have seen yet. Essentially, you are stating that Bethesda has never released an expansion for the Elder Scrolls, but many modders have? :blink:

Expansions since they feel like sequals in a way and they are actually worth the money unlike the overpriced 30 minute DLCs that was released for Fallout.

Do new spells and greater powers and weapons count?

I dislike DLC's. Picking up a game I completed weeks or even months before for a short bit of additional content means they're never a part of the initial game experience, and always seem a little pointless. I only ever really feel the benefit on subsequent playthroughs of the original game + DLC. Expansions are a more complete continuation of your original adventure and are far better for that reason.

The day of the expansion could well be over, though. Devs have already stated that DLC makes for more sense in terms of profit, and that boxed expansion sales are never that hot in comparison.

Point Lookout was pretty big for a DLC, I think I could live with that. Or if it adds something like the trainride in one of the others. But Expansions are still my favourite choice. 'Cause you could have both.

In my eyes Point Lookout is small. It may be the biggest of the Fallout 3 addons but it is small.

I think I'd be happy either way. We haven't even gotten into Skyrim yet and we're already griping about expansions and/or smaller DLC packs. I just want to play Skyrim and I just want gamesas to focus on getting us another ground-breaking, open-world RPG by 11.11.11 with minimal bugs and glitches upon release. And after release, I'd rather they focus on getting out any necessary patches rather than extra content. If they have extra content later on, I'll be happy about it and purchase it. If they don't, I still plan on enjoying my several playthroughs of the main game regardless and will look forward to playing ES VI in five years on the PS4.

Pretty much, though the modders part can be debated...


I would say only if it's truly unique, and could be found without entering the new area.

I basically compare it with expansions of other games. For example Baldur's Gate II: Throne of Bhaal added a new race, new class and several new spells, that can be accessed without actually playing the expansion park. Diablo II:Lord of Destruction came with 2 new classes, several new items and other changes on the main game. Neverwinter Nights' expansions added more spells and a way to interact with your companion...

This, basically. While I think any extra content to a game is good content - be it Horse Armor, Deepscorn Hollow, Frostcrag Spire and whatnot, I would never prefer these "stuff packs" over a proper expansion. I never got anything out of having a prettier horse, nor did I ever use Frostcrag or Deepscorn as a base of operation, partially because of their weird locations and partially because of poor utilities (placement and interior design, overall). In fact, the only place that even remotely met my personal standards were Rosethorn Hall (Skingrad) and, believe it or not, the house in the Imperial City (because everything was in the same room and it was neither too sparse nor overly cluttered).

ALSO:

I want an Underdark/Deepholm expansion!!! Give us the deep underground with a vast landscape of dungeons, corridors and one massive geode cavern to function as the "world map" or the main part of it.