there's more places that actually make sense in NV to "explore". IIRC. FO3 just had lots of "random" theme park like "attractions" that didn't have any connectivity to each other or the game world. They where just mostly generic baddie base #980967 with "phat loot" and respawned every 3 days. While NV does have similar things they atleast are connected better to the game world and usually have a quest or so involved in finding and exploring them.

Thanks Shooter genre, really, I like you, but looks like that before the COD games kill you, you are gonna to kill Fallout if you dont make this more balanced and less inclined to you

But Fallout was a RPG from the beginning

IMO obsidian did a fine job in the time it took and what they had to work with. I d buy another fo Obsidian did. IF Bethesdas new engine is as awesome as Ive heard then alot of my grips about both games should be taken care of. I hope they r able to make more. It will keep everyone happy.

If they rotate Obsidian slower paced west rpg... Bethesda wild wild east rpg/openworld shooter hybrid, and take notes from each other on a really sweet engine it will work great. IMO

I understand that, but it was nothing for a long time (no games made) then Bethesda bought it and kind of created something different something better than everything else out there IMO. A little tinkering and it can be a world beater IMO l ve got people to play it that would never play rpgs and they just loved it. I do hear you that the rpg element needs turned up a little bit, but fo3 can t be compred to a boring old shooter it was way more complexed.

Also, Fallout was popular even before Bethesda bought it, at the same time and level of the TES games back in the Arena and Dagerfall times

fo3 had alot of rpg influence, but I really don t think it was a full blown rpg.

(We've already had the "theme park" argument wheeled out, and even map nodes have been brought up apropos of absolutely nothing... great thread for FO forum bingo, this. Just waiting on "why must the game end" and someone quoting "I'm looking for my father. Middle-aged guy, maybe you've seen him?", then I'll have a full house.)

Good to see the F3 vs New Vegas wars are still going on, it'll be interesting to see whether it'll outlive the Origins vs DA2 wars currently on BioWare boards :rofl:

People keep saying obsidian did OK cosidering the time they had and other stuff. All that matters is the end product, im not interested in how long they had, their budget or who made it. All i care about is that i bought a game for ￡40 that is full of bugs, freezing and became boring very quickly. I feel ripped off
Seen some of the screen shots for skyrim and they look fantastic. FO4 should be awesome,

There was a nuclear war and this is after it, So I think it is a post nucear war game. fo3 had alot of rpg influence, but I really don t think it was a full blown rpg. Now nv is a rpg. I ll call fo3 a light rpg. Kind of like a Red Dead Redemption, but alot better because of the whole fallout idea and its more rpg than rdr. I thought rdr was good too. Fo3 Was some kind rpg open world shooter hybrid. I ve really never seen anything like it.

I wasn't aware there was something preventing exploring in New Vegas.

you're kidding right?

No he wasnt, there is nothing that prevents you to explore

FO3 had something to suit (almost) every taste:

RPG leveling
FPS handling
places to go, things to do - without a quest...
back stories for almost every location
Large expanses to explore
Random Encounters
Craftable Weapons
and yes... buildings full of raiders & sewers full of ghouls - there for no other reason than for dungeon crawling

Its the lack of interesting places to explore, thats the problem. not enough back story or information in the game. Its pretty empty

I don't mean to spilt hairs with you Colonel, but thats kind of a baseless accusation to make against Fallout 3.

Sure you can just run-and gun explore in Fallout 3, but thats not what us "explorers" refer to when we mean "exploration". You can run-in-gun explore in New Vegas too, and in my opinion there is more of it. (note just my opinon, I simply feel that New Vegas shines with its story, not its gameworld).

When I think of exploration in Fallout 3, I think of the buildings with various backstories such as LOB enterprises and the Dunwich building, along with little gems such as the McClellan Townhouse and the numerous terminals that allow me to piece together what life before the war was like, and even sometimes what the war was like.

The only place in New Vegas that I've been able to experience something similar was the HnH Tool factory, and I really wish there were more buildings like it.

So in short, while I don't necessarily think New Vegas needs to be more like Fallout 3 (hence I don't really agree with the OP), there's no need to ridicule something I find great in Fallout 3 while defending New Vegas.

You mean the lack of epic loots everywhere?

I miss it a lot. F3 had endless amounts of buildings filled with mutants, ghouls and raiders to explore. Most had terminals with fun or interesting stories on them.

Of course I wasn't expecting many buildings in the Mojave desert, but there are caves, which they just filled with creatures, and nothing else. :sadvaultboy:

No, Fallout is a post Nuclear RPG. We are a character living in a post Nuclear World. The way you say it "post nuclear war game" implies that the game is a war game. A post nuclear COD. In RPGs you are able to play many types of characters and join or help pretty much every faction. Fallout 3 had some RPG elements yes, but it was mainly a FPS with very limited options and it forces you to join the BoS aka Good Guys while it does not allow you to join the Bad Guys.

Both Fallout and Fallout 2 have "A post nuclear role playing game" under Fallout.

I imagine if that's what he meant, that's what he would have said.

Still, don't let me stop you duffing up that straw-man...

Explore? You mean kill? Fallout was built on realism, and that is the beef I had with FO3, NOTHING made any sense at all.

"Unfortunately, the previously mentioned design decisions cripple the exploration a bit. It’s relatively easy to acquire the best equipment and max your key skills before you see half of the gameworld. Considering that many places don’t have any “reward” other than killing and looting whatever inhabits them, it would have been nice to have something else to do there other than sight-seeing and looting. "

That quote is undeniable.