Ok, so we have a bunch of factions in the game.
Some bigger.
NCR
CL
House & NVPD
BOS (well it's more well known)

And smaller.
Kings
Powder Gangers
Followers Of The Apocalypse
Omerta
Gun Runners
Great Khans

The point with this thread.
What do you think each factions agenda is and how do you think that it will pan out?
We know that it will be more gray rather than black and white.
But Caesars Legion are slavers that crucify people and burn down towns.
How can they possibly be good?

Even though we don't know a lot about their roles in this game we have precious games and Van Buren design documents to go on.
What do you think these factions goals are and why?

I'll start.
We know that Powder Gangers are pretty pissed at NCR for not giving them payment for their work on the railroads.
So they started to blow them up.
The Great Khans are pissed off at NCR because their gang got [censored] up by The Vault Dweller who helped Shady Sands a long time ago.
Then The Lone Wanderer cleared out the New Khans from Vault 15 as a job for the NCR.
The BOS being the hungry tech-raiders they are decided to do a full assault on NCR for their tech because they believed that the "lesser people" did not deserve it.
House is probably pretty pissed about NCR just coming in and thinking they own the place when he was the one (IIRC) who made New Vegas what it is today.
And then Caesars Legion are going about with whatever goal they have and NCR is standing in their way.

See what I'm getting at?
While NCR is a powerful militant faction they make enemies where ever they go.
The NCR wants to bring the wasteland together under one government.
But is it really worth it?
They expand too big too fast and now they have [censored] raining down on every side.
Is their way the right way?
Going in and taking over [censored] from the so called "evil" people?
And sometimes even taking extreme measures against good people.

And what happens when their enemies decide to retaliate?
They have to force people like farmers or repairmen to pick up gear and fight a war they have nothing to do with.
Lots of lives will be lost for the NCR's greed and power-hunger.

(Most of this thread will be about speculation, even the wildest theories are allowed)

Hmm nice thread, and interesting information too.
Since NCR seem to have heaps of enemies, I wonder if it's a risky choice to join them since so many factions hate them. Perhaps you'll suddenly make enemies with 5 or so factions by just siding with the NCR.
What'd be interesting would be if NCR were heaps powerful and safer to be apart of, but also dangerous to be apart of because of their tendency to make enemies.
EDIT: Do we yet know if you can make enemies with more than one faction by siding with one?

Not confirmed but it should be.
BOS is probably still pissed about losing the war.
CL hates them with a passion, same goes for Powder Gangers.
But I think it might be like this:
You do a quest for NCR that has PG involved, by doing that quest you lose rep with PG but since it has nothing to do really with CL or BOS then their rep ain't going down.
But doing quests that does not have CL, BOS or PG's involved should still decrease the rep with CL as you help NCR advance which is (if I'm not misunderstanding) a bad thing from CL's perspective.

But it would be weird to join NCR without any reprocussions from BOS and PG's.

Yeah okay, that sounds very reasonable.
It'd be good if when you come across some sort of new faction that you straight away have a stale relationship with them since you've joined NCR or CL, so you think "[censored], I wish I wasn't apart of so and so now."

Well you'll have to (well, it's optional) deal with Powder Gangers in the first town and I think in the second town as well so you'll probably be favored by NCR if you side with PG's opposing factions.

Legion - Unite New Vegas under new Order based on how the old Roman Empire ruled. Atleast, that's what I can guess, I support :v

The one thing I'm really curious to see is what happens when you play them all against each other. I could swear I heard Chris Avellone saying in a video that you can play the chaos catalyst if thats what you want, but they wont like that when they find out, and it'll come back to haunt you. So that'd be interesting.

Here's a thought. Perhaps the NCR being (seeing as though they have all the government stuff) like the Enclave, except with better morals and values. A 'good' version.
But if that's the case, maybe I won't be able to put up with their patriotic style, I hated all that crap about "For the good of America" and all.

Nah I think that the people in the top of NCR are a bunch of twisted bastards only out for more power.
They act like they want the good for the wasteland and they probably feed their soldiers and citizens with propaganda to make them think they are doing the good things.
But in reality their true goals might be kinda evil or immoral.
So "For the good of America" attitude is something that the soldiers will have, but the actual puppeteers will probably be more sinister and corrupt.

I wonder if I can kill off the corrupt leaders and have the moral one's lead the NCR instead. :shifty:

NCR: To gain control of the Mojave Wasteland and civilize it.

CL: To gain control of the Mojave Wasteland and bring their own idea of "order" and make a killing in the slave market.

House & NVPD: Sit back and get rich off the war between NCR and Ceaser Legion.

BOS (well it's more well known) Get tech!! and when possible give NCR a hard time.

Kings: I am hoping they are a faction of spies and saboteurs that pass themselves off as Elvis impersonators.

Powder Gangers: Criminals with dynamite bent on causing trouble for all and NCR above all others.

Followers Of The Apocalypse: reeducating and rebuilding the wasteland and to ensuring that humanity does not repeat the mistakes that led to the Great War.

Omerta: Talking in all the money they can in Gomorrah. Possibly have plans to take over other Casinos and maybe get ride of Mr.House.

Gun Runners: Get tech, make weapons and sell to the highest bidder.

Great Khans: Small game possibly Slavers with ties to Ceasers Legion. Possible Goal to stay independent.

If i want to pick one, i rather pick Mr House...
Because New Vegas is his territory (not really, but he administrates it before NCR came :unsure2: ). So, i want to help him, because he also owns the NVPD, the police department of New Vegas.
Personally, i think the Caesar's Legion is evil (personally), but, i think NCR is also egocentric (egoistic) and don't care about others. They only care about their goal without caring the natives of other wastelands, as long they can expand their territory. So, i think NCR is also evil like Caesar's Legion.
I also thought, that no major factions here are pure good. In fact, they're neutral, or evil. Until a good faction that crusades for the poor people appeared, there will be no faction that is pure good. So, yes, the factions here are not BLACK & WHITE, but GRAY.....

Wait!!
I forgot the Children of Apocalypse :wave:
They're educating the people of the wasteland to prevent them doing the same thing thing that made the wasteland( :nuke: ).
So, i think they're good :angel:

They may be good but will their ideals make any progress?
In almost every ending I got from fallout 1 they got eliminated because they were too friendly to fight back.

So while they are good, how are they suppose to actually change the wasteland?
Sometimes extremists are more right in their cause than others who play it safe.
But who knows, even FotA might have some dark history behind them. It's been 119 years since we last saw them.

NCR has everyone's best interest at heart, but they way they go about doing things tends to piss a lot of people off. Caesar's Legion has a very selfish goal but they also bring order to what was once chaos. House is in it for House, and things aren't exactly going stellar outside of his little walled off Strip. All these faction relations are going to be very complicated. It seems like it's going to be very fun. 34 more days!!!!!

Not so sure on CL as a whole their just trying to live better but I get a feeling that the Ceaser is trying to create a great culture among the marauding bands of tribes and wasters in the wastes.

I think their philosophy is that only the strong will survive and prosper in these hard times. Hard times call for hard measures, they would look down on junkies and the like IMO because they are not anything useful while the NRC let almost anyone just join, most are just civilian like. While the CL will make sure everyone does their part or they will 'pay' accordingly. Their slavery is their power source and income, opinions will probrably be split between keeping slaves in the faction itself, its just a means to an outcome. Wait-The ends justifies the means?

The Khans I believe are just trying to get their foothold back and the events that lead to certain people to get shot, is part of that.

Kings sound like their a small gang trying to knock out competitors and take over vegas from freeside. Basically a turf war. They even think they could bring down House and become rulers of Vegas. I bet they do a bit of raketeering, embezzlement, and 'ask for their protection money' on the side.

Mr. House: just trying to run Vegas like he always has, I believe he will have a big ego and always trys and wins at everything. Just playing the NCR and CL on each other so they'll both leave, or outsmart them in one of his genius plans of deciept. He doesn't care for anyone but himself and 'allows' people in his city to further his ego trip and gain even more power.

NRC are just like they always been, trying to form a unionized government around the wastes, te higher ups may have something else they want to do though and since their in power and some people might be in the way they may use the Rangers to take care of this. I think of the Rangers as a sort of black hand for the Higherups to the NRC.

I think by "gray" factions they meant stuff like NCR and smaller groups, The way they have portrayed Caesers Legion can only mean that they are the "Nazis" of the game (Just as Enclave were the Nazis of F3)

The way it looks from the most meaningful factions is this:

Good :NCR
Bad: Caesers Legion
Self Interested: Mr.House


This really puts the Karma/Rep system into perspective because it shows the three paths that most players will take/have to take. You may see that NCR isn't perfect but I doubt there would be a way of fixing that just as you couldn't change The Brotherhood of Steel.



We need a new faction that believes in Peace and Love and stages bed ins and puts flowers in their opponents guns.

FotA are hippies, they fit into your description.

But the whole NCR are good, period, is wrong.
They might come off as good people but even they have something they hide, skeletons in the closet.
NCR is the lesser of two evils.

CL is surely going to have some form of goal that might actually be good.
Hell, I sympathize with the Master.
He wanted to create a world of super beings, intelligent and strong.
Sure he used some extreme methods and a lot of people died but what if super mutants didn't become sterile?
What if his plan could restore the entire world in a couple of centuries?
So I don't think that The Master was really evil just that he had different perspective on it all.
Can be the same with CL.

I wonder if Repcon has the same trade agreement with Caesar's Legion as Reservation? That could be interesting...

Still think Repcon is a re-written Reservation?

Why is CL bad? Because they have slaves and crucify people who have different views? Hmm...ever read about Roman history? The slave trade was HUGE and do you think the thousands of people who owned them though of it as wrong? No. If you look at it from their perspective they're making the place a better place by establishing order and making life easier on those within their faction. Of course when you look at it from our current day perspective where slavery, six, and murder is completely immoral then they are the bad guys. To be honest I feel like the NCR is more of a communist government, they want everyone to be happy and work together for a better goal...haha good luck with that. There will be black and white in this game, but the developers are not the ones who decide is good or bad. The player has a say in who THEY think is good or bad and I think that's going to do wonders for the game.

I meant from a gameplay point of view that NCR will most likely be an unchangeable good guy group that the player couldn't effect much like BoS was despite all their darker aspects. I am hoping Casers Legion have more to them but at the moment I can only see a group known for crucifying people coming off as having delusions of having a good goal at best.


Thanks for the tip but I won't be satisfied until I set up a "Wasteland United Nations" and Caeser,House and NCR are holding hands and tossing water to beggers.

Don't see why not. A research center populated by ghouls? Sounds like it. Also, the screencap of the talking head proved they are still crazy as before.

i think that cl was getting ready for ncr to get to new vagues for some time i believe that they have been building fortifications gathering a good sized and well trained army and this is them drawing a line in the sand and the other factions are just caught in the middle of a conflict that has been goring on for a long time i personally will help cl and kill all ncr i see



death to the ncr :gun: :dead:

moral as in enslave people and force them to fight in wars.

and how do you know that they are corrupt yet.

i do agree that there must be more to the legion then what is known so far.

but i still side with the Republic

Bump much?


All speculation.
But they were shady in Fallout 2 and seeing as Tandi, the only good person in FO2's NCR, is dead I can't see how they can be anything but shady.