How is this different then common controls people have over others. If someone holds a gun to my head and tells me to sing the Star Spangled Banner you bet your [censored] I am going to sing the worst rendition you have ever heard It is not like the Synth are going along with that control. Besides I would think that if there is way to put that code in there in the first place that there would be a way of blanking it out. It is just another way to justify genocide, and humans have come up with a lot of those in our history.

Sure. But if someone put a gun to my head and told me to kill someone, I still have the choice to let them shoot me instead. Or to try to take the gun from them. The synths do not have this choice. Do you see the difference?

Of course I do but that is not the fault of the Synth. I advocate finding a way to fix them rather then committing genocide, but hey that is just me.

Besides I have beat this dead horse to death so I think I will bow out.

I don't blame the synth for being what it was made. I'm just saying that fearing them for what they are makes sense. There's a good, valid reason for it.

There can be, there has been many many instances of brainwashing and conditioning whereby people have had their actions and even thought patters controlled by various outside stimulus, including verbally. It is just quite difficult to do with most humans because we live in a society where that is not done often. But if you get someone from birth, and are able to influence them freely you can do practically everything that you see done with synths. They just happen to be made with a built in command phrase, while we currently lack the ability to do the same with humans.

Edit; Furthermore, the more we learn about how the human brain works, the more control we have over it. It is not insane to think some day we would have the ability to control someone to a much larger degree and much easier than we do now. A little chip inserted into the brain could have easy and complete access over all the little electrical impulses that control all of our thoughts and actions. We lack that ability now, but just because the institute can do it with synths, doesn't make them any different than humans.

I am going to be that guy.

Do humans really have free will, or are we folllowing a program generated by life experiences, environment, and genetics.

Fascinating quandary to discuss, if, despite its relevance, a bit too much to discuss within this thread.

until it happens, the argument has no weight.

We've seen synths be controlled by phrases. Never seen it happen to a human in fallout.

It was not an argument. It was an observation. And it does have weight, if you use a bit of reason.

Just because you have not seen something, doesn't mean it isn't there. I have never seen two people having six in fallout either, but I assume real world logic applies to them and that they don't reproduce using magic spores.

It's possible that the Railroad worships Dunwich and wants to kill all human beings to erect the synths as the only race on Earth.

Because there is no evidence to support it, you can't argue against it according to the logic you just wrote.

Exactly. If you want to claim the the railroad worships Dunwich, the burden of proof lays on you. I would not bother trying to argue against it unless you tried to prove it. I wasn't making any claim. I am not claiming the synths are alive, I am not claiming the Instutute is good, or evil. I was just trying to correct someone who pointed out that humans do not have any shutdown code. And I pointed out that it is indeed possible.

That's some of the dumbest logic I have ever heard. It spits in the face of any academics and study.

Ummm, why? The burden of proof is clearly on the person making a positive claim like that. If you claim something with no evidence, it is not up to everyone else to magically come up with evidence to prove you wrong.

Because burden of proof is exactly what I said.

Then you said,

Right, not entirely sure I am following what you are trying to say. Again, I was not trying to claim that it was actually happening. Someone said it wasn't possible for that to happen to people, I was saying that is was possible judging from how it happens in RL. We know the fallout universe is based on our own real universe and therefore most of the logic that applied here, would apply there. And in RL, it is indeed possible to 'program' people in various ways. I have never seen it happen with my own eyes, but have read about many many cases where it has been done.

Code commands don't happen in real life, though. You can't just walk up to someone and say something benign like "Eric Oswald instruction code: Peanut butter" and they make you a peanutbutter sandwich. people have free will. I don't know what else there is to tell you.

Hell, even subliminal advertisemants don't have complete control over a person. They can't force someone to do something they don't want to do.

And what would happen if Fallout science made it possible?

Because we've already got stuff like the Passivity Field.

Would that make people less human if they could have their minds-erased or controlled?

Until it happens, it has no weight.

How do you figure?

Absolutely correct. I can not walk up to you and shut you down by uttering a phrase. But, I also can not do that to my TV. I could do it to a TV if it had voice recognition and had been programmed with a command phrase to turn it off. Likewise, if someone was conditioned to stop with a command word I could do that to them too.

Look. I am not claiming that you can do this to everyone like you seem to want me to be claiming. I am just saying that synths are programmed with commands to shut them down. It is also POSSIBLE to do that to humans.

Yeah, he said the exact same thing to my post on the previous page. Apparently it is just crazy to think of something that hasn't happened yet and say it might be possible.

"SILENCE LOBOTOMITE!"

"YOU ARE NOW UNDER THE COMMAND OF DOCTOR KLEIN!"

Because, until it happens, it's just a "what if" story. There's nothing concrete. It'd be exactly the same as me saying "all synths want to kill all humans" and, because there's no way to prove me wrong, it would be right. Which is incredibly dumb logic.

and yet I wasn't. Imagine that.

These doctors lobotomized people and that alone turns humans into the obey machines you're talking about -- but my Courier refused.

Humans have free will. Synths don't.

Almost correct. It would be exactly the same as you saying 'all synths MIGHT want to kill all humans'. That is definitely a possibility alright. And you can't shoot down a possibility based solely on the fact that it hasn't happened yet, that would be absurd. I have a coin, it has never been flipped. It might land on heads if I flip it, but it has never landed on heads. So what, it is not possible for it to land on heads simply because it hasn't before? Or me claiming that there is a possibility of it landing on heads is irrelevant, just because it hasn't happened before?

It's a superfluous argument used to move the goal post because you can't argue the sound logic of: Synths can be controlled. Humans can't.

Humans can be controlled.