Should tide some over until the next patch comes out which will most likely, and aptly, make this plug-in entirely unnecessary by restoring VATS to its former grandeur.
Here's to not getting 0% chance for shooting mid-air grenades/missiles and actually getting bonuses for the VATS perks! :foodndrink: I still don't quite get what changed in the .exe's.

QFT, I am NOT looking forward to going through that same stupid obstacle course again. :swear:

Microsoft should just focus on making an OS and leave the online gaming/downloads/purchases
to the people who've already got it right.

Oh, I forgot to ask this earlier as well, but when getting FOSE do we need version 1 "stable" or the v1.1 beta?

I think a proper title for this thread is in order. Using [RELZ], etc. Calling it "Fake Patch!" makes it sound like an angry rant and most will probably just skip the thread.

My two cents.

Agreed

What exactly is broken aside from the lag before VATS is responsive? I can't find anything other than seething anger over the issue and oversimplified generalizations like "totally broken" that don't tell me anything. I've found some reference to the hit chances being out of whack, but I haven't seen anything about HDR.



This. It's hard to find actual info because all the frothing anger all over the place makes for a really poor signal to noise ratio. To make matters worse a lot of people seem confused as to which issues are the fault of the patch and which, if any, are the result of some vague, nebulous problem with GFWL.

so far so good..............

You want the v1.1 beta 2 FOSE with the 1.0.0.15 support .dll to run with the 1.0.0.15 .exe.
*fix'd
I'd accidentally posted the OP prematurely trying to preview it and hadn't finished the title. >_< The ***DELETE ME*** post at the top was formerly an explanation of my posting mishap. This plugin and thread weren't meant to incite anger, but to merely offer a temporary work-around for those who wanted 1.0.0.15 VATS, FOSE, and the various bug fixes in the official patches at the same time. Glad to hear! As it turns out, the 1.0.0.15 Fallout3.esm seems the best for using with the 1.0.0.15 Fallout3.exe, go figure. A 1.1.0.35 Fallout3.esm also seems to work with the 1.0.0.15 Fallout3.exe, but intermittently seems to not want to show the mouse upon startup. For some reason a 1.4.0.6 Fallout3.esm always does this. Anyhow, 1.0.0.15 seems the one to stick with along with the FakePatch plugin.

Thanks for adding the [RELz] to which ever mod modded my thread title!

wait... does this mean that if I get my lovely bought data from GFWL folder and put it on DATA, I can play O:A with 1.0.0.15 stright away with no patch? you know... I don't give a s**t about GFWL...

Well maybe I didn't notice with the older patches...but I get HDR flicker with the new patch

Here is a video

also the % chance to hit with VATS is lower (most likely due to the fact that no VATS perks work) and you can NOT hit grenades/missiles mid-air anymore...the chance to hit is 0%
Has anyone confirmed that the newer Patches truely affect SLI? If there is no difference, then I want to revert back...but if reverting back and using "Fake Patch" will "break" my SLI then I will skip this.

hope someone can shed some insight on this, I would love to have normal VATS again,
TheDamned

no comment.


He's actually saying that on my behalf. I always need things explained in newb terms. It's my station in life at the moment :nod:



newb-understands that there is still sooo much to understand...

Ok, if I reinstall, what version should I patch to and stop?

I have a suggestion. You guys previously said that there is a "fix" for sli in the new 1.1 exe?
How about making a fake 1.1 or fake 1.4 exe that removes these "sli" fixes and make it almost look like 1.0, but is compatible with DLC

This is awesome, thanks!

edit: removed dlc question, already answered

answered in first post

the 1.0 patch.

Just to post something odd, I am having a VATS glitch. Not as severe as the one from the patch, but for some odd reason anytime an enemy is past ~15 steps or so away from me my vats % drops dramatically. I can achieve a %95 at up to about eight steps, but it starts to degrade past that. I am using sniper and commando perks and testing using Lincoln's repeater and the Xuanlong. Pretty much every time an enemy is at 15 or more steps from me the head and torso drop down to single digits while the legs and sometimes arms stay in double digits similar to the patched version of the game.

I moved all of the contents of my data folder, uninstalled FO3, reinstalled, updated to the 1.0.0.15, moved my .exe and my fallout .esm, moved my original data folder back, used a copy of my new 1.0.0.15 .esm to overwrite the one in my data folder, put my .exe back(while saving a copy) and then reinstalled FOSE and FOMM(and archive anvalidated! everything) and then installed the fake patch. Did I do this wrong or is there something just "weird" going on?

If it helps I can post my load order.

A good test would be to use the console to remove your commando and sniper perks mid-fight, while you have a foe at mid-range like this, and see if VATS drops even lower if you try it again without the perks.

If its the same as before, theres a problem. If the new values are even lower, well, its probably not a bug at that point. VATS does lose reliability at a distance... Your situation seems to hint theres a problem, but its really worth testing to see if your perks are working.

Yeah, I just got back from grabbing some caffeine and that is what I was going to try. Hopefully they do lower and the problem is elsewhere

Edit: I guess I didn't remember properly, but the distances were a little more than the steps I listed above. This time I did a tcai and measured, about five steps is where accuracy starts dropping. I did one vats with all perks and all weapons at three ranges. one at seven steps, one at 20 steps, and one at 40. at seven steps I had 93% torso, 85% head, 95 on all limbs, without perks the numbers were almost identical(dropped a few percent all around but limbs were higher than head). At 20 steps head dropped to <50, limbs were over 85 and torso was at 77, without perks THE HEAD HIT % WENT UP. It actually, from the same exact spot I was standing at, went from %47 to %60 by just removing the perks. and at 40 steps more of the same, limbs and torso were over 50 with perks, head was below 20, dropped the perks and suddenly the limbs drop down but the head goes up.

So, 1) Did these problem(s) creep into the game due to a change to the ESM or the EXE? and 2) Does the Fake Patch fix these issues (when installed as stated in the OP)?

I am using the fake patch right now. I will reinstall everything just to make sure that it wasn't a mistake on my part., if it isn't then I guess there are some things we modders just can't fix, if it was my fault then I should just get "idiot" tattooed to my forehead.

Whoa, I meant no offense!!!!! Please forgive me if that is how I came across. These questions were asked just to get details so I would know what direction I should take. The Fake Patch seems to offer a method to solve the VATS problem (at least, I hope so). Better watch what I say...

Huh? Why'd you over react like that? I probably should've put a little at the end of what I said before, but with all the things I have been getting wrong lately I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was added to the list xD

Wait wait wait, let me get this straight. This involves patch 1.4, but you can still use FOSE, and theres none of the bugs that the patch might cause?

I have a strong suspicion that once a savegame that has been "compromised" with patch 1.1 or 1.4 it will never return "clean" even by reverting to 1.01 and the fake patch.

I suspect the poster above had these issues with a "compromised" save game, please tell us if its not the case.

Ive just ran some tests with a clean save and the fake patch; all seemed okay. I tried the fake patch + an old 1.1 save; VATS is still FUBAR.

That was what I was going to try, after reinstalling but before doing all of the other steps I was going to load a save without any mods, save it, then proceed with updating and fake patching