http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp1Kzw4jHns

Falling? You mean the outdated technology from 1997 called "ragdoll physics." Nothing's changing until they add AI to the ragdolls. Natural Motion is the first company to do this, with Euphoria.

everyone i show the video to notices. It matters. In fact-- being as were all on this board and undoubtedly buying our opinions dont matter much at all. So to the people who say they dont care about graphics/animations, well..your in for a surprise. In most of the video interviews ive seen, todd or whoever is all like "Hey this is out best looking game, hey our animations are alot better this time around" So guess what, Beth cares.
So yeah, it definitely is an eye sore. What i dont see is that why with rag doll, things like the effect of the dragon pulling him and throwing him away dont effect his movement. Normally when ive seen ragdoll its OVERly sensitive, atleast when they first did it in unreal. From the moment that dragon touched him he didnt move. I would have thought that was in fact NOT ragdoll. No expert here clearly tho.
Being that the dragons are more or less the centerpiece of the story, I'd expect them to fix this up by release.

the giant was so lifeless from the dragons talons digging into its spinal cortex that it went into insta- rigormortis.

The falling giant doesn't need to move his arms to make his falling look good. He just needs to rotate around his own axis a little, as opposed to falling so statically. If you look, he begins to do that when he is about 1 m from the ground.

I hope with acrobatics being removed, with the force push shout and with the dragon abduct moves that they have fixed the "flying" mechanic from Oblivion. I don't get why people complain about there being no levitation in Oblivion - you didn't have the spell, but really all you had to do was jump, and then you could pretty much spell Bethesda before you hit the ground again. .

Edit - by flying mechanic, well. This post put it better.

And realistic physics does not add to "immersion?"

1) its a beta build... animations are not likely to be finalized.
2) If the giant was already dead by the time it was dropped, then the fall was probably fairly accurate. Dead things don't flail about when falling. Go watch a Mythbusters when they drop Buster off some 10 story building.. it pretty much falls right down without any arm or leg movements.

I really doubt that the position of the giant's limbs was the result of an animation. I would bet a lot that he was in "ragdoll mode" The relative stiffness of his corpse would imply that he was let go in such a way that the physics kinda freaked out a bit and gave all of his limbs the same "push" as he was let go.

The giant could have been dead, and it didn't look like the dragon flung him(it?), more like the dragon just let the giant go. And why scrutinize such a minor detail. The character animations look amazing, as do the dragon, and many of the other creatures. I mean, did you see the giant running? Did anyone else besides me get that "oh hell, I should run" feeling. I understand constructive criticism, but my God. Complaining about the way one creature is falling? Really?...Really?

This i dont think it looked bad for a dead thing.

We have a winner. Euphoria is amazing and if it was in Skyrim (it's not) the World might end due to its awesomeness.

The giant was killed by the impact of the dragons claws most likely.
Or died of shock, giants to dragons are like elephants to mouse...

Money and...Euphoria if that's how you spell it but it cost so Much to run on skyrim.


Take note that this post isn't mean't to be aggressive but to just highlight key words and make them more visible.

Then how do you explain how we also manage to hide all of those items from view? Do we have one of those bags Hermione had in Deathly Hallows?



I can definitely say I've never seen a giant fall IRL. (See big font for serious answer)



It could be worse. Everyone could be displeased with everything.




Is it too much to ask for both? Seeing as how most would agree they compliment each other.











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Actually , my best guess is the ragdoll technology only takes into account contact with objects, and momentum of the body and limbs.

Things missing (why it looks...off)
1. the free fall appears to be at a constant speed. Assuming Nirn was smaller than Earth, the body should experience constant acceleration anyways. So the giant should increase speed as he covers distance.
2. Air Resistance,...im pretty sure the lack of flailing arms is due to the lack of air property calculations within the physics software.

Ragdoll physics software seems to only use collision detection as a source of movement and physical calculation. Those two things above would go a long way in making the scene look realistic.




Since when has Zelda become the standard by which all badness is measured?

The giant falling looked fine to me. he did not suddenly jerk into one animation from another without transition. and a flailing animation would look even more silly than him simply falling.

Took me quite a while to figure out what you typed there. I still don't understand it.

After a few moments on these forums, it makes one wonder :tongue:.

Lol btw my honest opinion is that i could care less about how he fell, i just wanna play the game.

But....since I cant do that yet,...

Im assuming you meant it looks fine for a game, because if you cant see anything physically incorrect with that fall, I'd suggest staying away from sharp objects and do not operate heavy machinery.

It's not so much an animation problem, but just generational barrier in gaming physics. Its a fantasy rpg. They arent concerned with pinhead accuracy simulation of natural law. Eventually these things will be standard in all games.

I'd say hair physics, and cloth simulation are higher up on the to do list than the remedy of raining stiff giants.

Well the internet is a good place to channel frustration. People may not even be mad at skyrim. Their grandma might have been hit by a bus, or any other number of equally probable events. So they come here to complain about skyrim. Also b/c they are mad they cant play it (thats my problem). So that just means that when technology rises up to destroy humanity, we'll know its b/c we shoved our personal lives in technology's face. Especially on facebook and twitter.

I personally dont give a (censored) if the falling animation isnt flawless. Its not a big deal, its a waste of perfectly good ram to make it look rediculously perfect. imo

pure genius

No problem AT ALL with the giant. There's so many great things in the game that I just can't be bothered with it.

EDIT: And I don't think we'll see something like that so often. It would be a waste of resources.

Neither do I, and it is a waste until it becomes standard issue by a probably not too far off from now breakthrough by some 3rd party physics software developer.

Type a:WOW did you see that dragon come out of nowhere and snatch a giant and drop it to earth.Type b:I dont think a giant falling would look quite like that.Put me in the type a group and like another poster stated if you have watched myth busters a body at dead weight isnt a flailing mass .Do i think its perfect probably not but im fresh out of giants to drop and dragons to carry them its close enuff for me.

I have no empathy for giants and their dragon problems. When they fall from great heights, I expect them to flail arms for my amusemant.