When we think of the Fallout Universe as a whole, often times the first thoughts that come to mind are a retro-futuristic United States, nuclear war and atomic shelters (namely the Vaults). Now on the other hand, from time to time we are subjected to the long running debate about aliens and whether or not they are part of the Fallout canon, or simply a clich? inclusion which was to reflect the popularity of shows such as the X-Files (which at the time of the production, had become one of the many staples of American television). Now, obviously Fallout is known for including references to pop culture (everything from Silence of the Lambs to Godzilla). Now what if I were to tell you, that the people who believe that "aliens" are actually correct and that aliens are as much a part of the Fallout canon, as energy weapons and the SLR. Many of you would probably think that I was simply joking, or that perhaps I'd finally developed an affinity for Bethesda's Fallout 3, but no this is not the case. Instead, I came by this theory, on the basis of the inclusion of one of the Britain's signature television series?.Doctor Who. Now for those of you that remember, at one time PBS used to play episodes of this rather poor production value, but interesting show (generally between 1-4 in the morning). For those of you that don't remember this "icon" of public television, and from what I remember though my memory of the show is fairly vague, but Jon Pertwee, a Brigadier General(and his regiment who wore the SAS sand colored beret) and a rather vast assortment of female assistants, assisted the British Government in investigating and fighting against everything from living mannequins to Daleks(something that resembles a cross between a garbage can and scrap metal scavenged from a Lada & a plumbers tool box). Now later on the series, apparently Jon Pertwee left(or maybe was killed?.I'm not entirely clear on why he disappeared, perhaps much like James Bond, the character just "evolved" over time) and was replaced by a fellow wearing an overcoat and a strangely colored scarf. Now at this point, probably many of you are wondering, what low budget science fiction from the United Kingdom (broadcast on PBS), has to do with Fallout? Well, here's the long awaited answer to your question?.In one episode of Doctor Who (starring Jon Pertwee's replacement), Doctor Who and some of his assistants land on the home planet of the Daleks. The whole planet had been ravaged by nuclear war, and though the war between the Dalek faction and their enemy continued, the men still fighting this war could have easily fit in to "Mad Max", or any other post-apocalyptic setting. Now fast-forward to "Fallout 1", where the Vault Dweller, runs into a mysterious British Police Box from the 1960's?.and later the footprint of a massive reptile, perhaps even that of a dinosaur (which Jon Pertwee fought in one episode). Also, later on the Vault Dweller's adventure, he must defeat a mutated human (formerly Richard Moreau), but now known as "The Master" (who also happened to be an adversary of Doctor Who, who unsuccessfully attempted to take control of a Royal Navy test facility). Now obviously, this is all speculation based on coincidences, but just think about it for a minute?..we have aliens, nuclear war and "Doctor Who". Therefore in conclusion, I submit to you, that the world of Fallout is actually the home world of the Daleks prior to their conversion into a plumber's abomination.

Be careful my friend for if you keep digging in this garden you may find just how deep the rabbit hole really goes.
And you might not like it.
Not one bit.

Negative.

Skaro (Home of the Daleks) is definately not earth. (Whovian here).

1: Skaro wais home to not one, but two "Inteligent" species, the Kaleds, and the Thals. These are genetically different creatures entireley - See "The Daleks" as well as "The Genesis of the Daleks" (Genesis is the one you're kinda remembering with Tom Baker at the birth of the Dalek Race)
2: The Master did not create the Daleks. A Kaled Scientist called Davros did (Genesis)
3: The Daleks invaded earth in 2164 (Dalek Invasion of earth - Probably didn't screen in the US as it was produced wayyyy back in 1964 with the first doctor) This was followed up in the far future, where the existence of Skaro is well known to the human population (Dalek's master plan, 1966 - Sadly Only audio available)
4: The Doctor in a later incarnation was able to send a weapon from 1960's earth, to Skaro's sun destroying that planet in a supernova (Rememberence of the Daleks, 1988).

FYI - Jon Pertwee's Regeneration into Tom Baker is covered in the story "The Planet of the Spiders" which is legally on you tube (Thank you BBC!) along with a bunch of other classic stories here: http://www.youtube.com/show?p=Ps0e32nFzs0&s=11 ;
The Doctor is an Alien (Time Lord from Galifey), one of the many unique features of their physiology is to "Regenerate" their body a limited number of times (12, for a total of 13 "Lives") in the event of massive trauma (that would ordinarily kill any other creature), although this causes massive phyisical and personality changes.
Pertwee was the Third, and the organisation he worked for was UNIT - Back then called the "United Nations Inteligence Taskforce" but in the modern series the UN have asked this to be changed so its just "UNified Inteligence Taskforce" now, the militaries of the world loaned staff and equipment to monitor alien activity and prevent an invasion, the brig's real CO was in Geneva (but seemed to spend a lot of time answering to the UK forces as well, beurocracty rules.
This was a feature of the Third (to cut costs, they'd already spent a lot in the change to colour, the Doctor usually is known for galavanting across time and space), and early forth doctors, although they did pop up from time to time in future doctors (including the new series).

Thanks for all the clarification and the Doctor Who information/update. Unfortunately, the Classic Doctor Who website does not play outside the United Kingdom (from the link: "This video contains content from BBC Worldwide, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.").

Now in my personal opinion, it's unfortunate that Fallout's Earth was not Skaro! Since it seems that, the way Fallout is going and no doubt will go (so long as the franchise belongs to Bethesda/Zenimax) that aliens and creatures from space will no doubt be given the opportunity to play a larger role in any future "Fallout" production.





Also, I should note that this post is purely meant for the purpose of entertainment, and that in no way should it be construed as either a conspiracy rant, or a revelation of future Fallout content.

With what seems like the ever increasing references to "aliens" in the Fallout Series, potentially this may be the point to attempt an unofficial crossover between the Dr. Who franchise and Fallout. Now admittedly Doctor Who would have to either be in the persona of Jon Pertwee or Tom Baker to make it culturally relevant here in the United States, but it could lead to an interesting crossover, and at the very least, bring back the Brigadier, UNIT & maybe even the evil Doctor/Republican Security Forces(from his one time trip to the parallel universe),

BBC Worldwide is the non-UK Commercial Arm, so I'm a bit suprised it doesnt work...

I don't want to go too much into detail about my opinion on this matter because the mods don't appreciate political discussions.
What I will say about my opinion is that censorship can be a real drag in the prewar Fallout Universe. And if the content is politically controversial and your censors don't mind your own people watching but don't want the countries being slandered watching then talking about some copyright issues might be an excellent excuse for that blackout. War never changes and propoganda in popular TV shows thinly disquised as science fiction is a volatile weapon of mass media. That is all I am going to say because anything more will get me in trouble.

I just want to add that I am only going on about this because of the seeeming and coincidental similarity of the aleeged nature of Dr. Who and the themes of prewar Fallout and for the purpose of entertainment only. Any intrepretation that I meant real life has any of these so called conspiricies is completely incorrect.

Ironically, and I know this probably falls into the category of just being campy/cliche, but a few rogue Daleks would make a fun inclusion in either the "Master's Army" or in the service of President Richardson(obviously though, it would have to be an unofficial inclusion....since aliens as it relates to the canon are controversial).

I think it could be possible. If I recall correctly the Daleks aren't the BBC's copyright (Writer Terry Nation kept copyright of them, unsuccessfuly tried to develop a series for US television based on them later, and they almost didn't appear in the New series (Eccsleston/Tennat) as a result. It may be possible to negoicate with his estate to include them.

The Vault Dweller will be Ex-Ter-Min-Ate-Ed

Finally! A use for all the plungers in FO3

Just as the Vault Dweller is about to be exterminated by what looks like a bunch of trash cans with plungers attached, a strange looking blue box appears and a man dressed in a smoking jacket, along with a woman referred to as "Liz" and men wearing '61 pattern combat clothing and sand colored berets emerge from a box not much larger than a phone booth and whisk away the Vault Dweller as the words "EXTERMINATE" can be heard fading away....




Dalek replacement parts....

I've just remebered The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) did have a robotic dog called K9...... As did the Chosen one.

Maybe it is a parallel universe that at times interacts with the Doctor Who universe....or perhaps they just like putting in pop culture references.

Now didn't K9 call the Chosen One "Master"......(now I know I'm reaching there)

I wonder how many other Doctor Who references can be found in Fallout?

A set of Doctor Who like characters, monsters and gizmos would be good in Fallout 3.

It's always fun to insert Doctor Who into a mixed fanfic with the Doctor visiting the Fallout world with some companions in his TARDIS. Doctor who can be placed quite easily in many kinds of mixed fanfics because he travels in time and space. As for the aliens (I call them zetans as in Mothership Zeta) in Fallout 3, one could make them out to be old enemies of the Doctor. The possibilities are endless. I have tried a few that I have placed on no forums.

Modding Doctor Who into Fallout 3 would be interesting with the modded adventure starting from the moment the TARDIS lands in the DC Wastelands.

Zetans. i like it :wink_smile:

For some reason, I could(with a fair bit of suspension of one's disbelief), that the "Master of the Mutants" when he realizes that his mutants are sterile, rather than committing suicide, instead evolves his creations further...and "TA-DA".....FALLOUT DALEKS!

Super Daleks. They could battle the Zetans. It would rock.

Here's how the Daleks of the Fallout Universe were created:

The Master of the Mutant’s Daleks:

March 2161: After, attempting to outwit the Master, with what the Vault Dweller feels is a terribly cunning plan(telling the Master that the Super Mutants are sterile), the Vault Dweller is rather shocked when the Master is undeterred in his plans to lead the Unity to victory over the humans of the wasteland. The Vault Dweller, is taken away in a rather unceremonious fashion, and is dipped in the Vats, becoming the Master’s Field Marshal.

April 2161: The Master’s Mutants overrun Vault 13. They proceed to seize vast amounts of pre-war technology.

May 2161: The Master’s scientists, after much study of Vault 13’s technology, determine a method for breeding a new strain of mutant. This mutant, would not suffer from the need for reproduction or require human subjects for the vats, but instead could be genetically engineered in laboratory conditions.
June 2161: Project DALEK begins
Defensible
Armored
Lightweight
Electrical
Kontraption (Due to an administrative error by less than intelligent Super Mutants the word “Contraption was spelt incorrectly)”

July 2161: The first dozen functional Daleks are demonstrated to the Master. Impressed by this ruthless and nearly indestructible creature, he orders that mass production begin immediately.

August 2161: A Company sized unit of Daleks are field tested against the inhabitants of the Boneyard. They make quick work of the inhabitants, leaving Adytum and the surrounding area nothing more than a burnt cinder.

September 2161: The Brotherhood of Steel launch an attack against the Cathedral. They are mortified to watch, as their paladins are struck down by the superior firepower of these new and deadly mutants. Rhombus’ men fight valiantly, but neither their power armor nor their energy weapons can halt these creatures, as they advance on the paladins crying out “EXTERMINTATE”. Rhombus is killed in the course of the fighting, and the few surviving brothers limp back to the bunker.

October 2161: The Halloween Coup occurs as the Daleks, who have now become self-aware and feel they no longer need the Master or his inferior breed of Super Mutants. The Children of the Cathedral and the Super Mutants are promptly exterminated. The Master, though ordering his creations to stop this massacre, is instead rendered into a pile of mutant goo, as he too is exterminated.

November 2161: The Lost Hill’s Bunker is overrun by the Daleks. John Maxson is killed, along with a majority of the Brotherhood of Steel. The few survivors fragment, with some elements heading East, while others head North towards Shady Sands, in an attempt to forge an alliance with the villagers and maybe gain some time to come up with a weapon to counter this new threat.

December 2161: Standing shoulder to shoulder with the men of the Brotherhood of Steel, the villagers of Shady Sands under the command of Aradesh prepare for the coming fight....Though his is confident of the mettle of his men; he fears that their gallantry may not be enough to stem the rising mutant tide. As he says a final prayer for the victory of his people, the battle cry of “EXTERMINATE” can be heard....
Next Time........ “The Rise of the Dalek Wasteland”

Suggestion: Add in about here "Although multiple designs would be considered for this project, the one that captured the imagination of the Master was the "Mark IV Transport Machine"" (as the mechanical component of the Dalek was refered to by the Kaled scientists in "Genesis of the Daleks"

After going through http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Who_Wiki I will definitely include a rewrite of the Super Mutant to Dalek history.....

is Kaled sopposed to be 'Dalek' Baskwards?

could the super mutant scientists be called the "Reapus" Scientists therefore?

Yes.

interesting...very interesting.

and are the Master's scientists gonna be named in a similar fashion? I think Repus or Reapus sounds hella cool.