Just watched the movie Blade Runner. Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see the same grey morality concerning androids in Fallout 4 as in Blade Runner. Might be worth watching before Fallout 4 is released.

You might give Westworld a watch too just as good heh.

Was never a fan of the movie. I really hope we don't do the "save the androids" thing. And I definitly don't want the "you were an android this whole time" thing either. Sigh. I feel like I might be disappointed there

As far as AIs and androids go Ex Machina is another good one to make you ponder how they fit into the scheme of things. Transcendence also touches on AIs and the Technological Singularity theory.

God that movie is so damn good.

Imagine if we get a Voight-Kampff tester for a quest, and we have to find certain androids. Would be so epic.

I just cant help but feel Blade Runner is going to have some influence on Fallout 4. At the beginning of the movie Ford is sitting and eating noodles at the noodle stand(like the one in Diamond City you see at E3) and then the airship passes over head(and it looks almost like the one in Fallout 4), gave me chills...I also believe after watching the movie, the Memory Den will be for android use only.

I mean, if Harkness was any indication, I doubt we'll see self aware sentient androids walking around going to memory dens and stuff. It surely won't be for androids only, unless somehow the stance on sentient androids has changed?

While we're at it might as well give the original Mad Max movies a watch since that was the original inspiration for Fallout.

What about Cherry 2000?

^{I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain}

Anybody here watch Ex Machina?

"I've...seen things you people wouldn't believe. Airships, on fire...great plasma storms, off the coast of The Commonwealth. All those...moments...lost in time...like tears in rain. Time...to die."

One thing I recall over the years waiting for Fallout 4 and all the rumors is the cyber punk rumor. Looks like that one will be true.

Watch Blade Runner again......which ending though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versions_of_Blade_Runner

I'm sure there will be references, but Blade Runner isn't the only android fiction Bethesda can draw from. And, call it a hunch, but I don't think the entire point of the main quest will be android freedom; I feel like that will be heavily entrenched into the identity of a few groups and characters, and there will be quests about it, but it won't be central to the game. And hey, they let you be terrible in The Replicated Man, so why should any android quests in Fallout 4 force you to support their freedom?

While anny one of them are good, either the directors cut or final cut depict what they trully wanted to do for the film, but coudn't at the time produce. So the best versions in my opinion is the original release version (US theatrical release (1982) or The International Cut (1982) ) and the 2 final versions (Directors Cut and Final Cut)

As for its influance on the game, blade runner has been an influence on parts of the fallout universe for a while now, we even had "That Gun", basicly deckard's weapon from the movie, in New Vegas. But same can be said of manny movies, both classics and new.

A Boy and His Dog was also a big influence for Fallout. (although we've yet to see telepathic dogs in Fallout.)

The influence of Blade Runner should be subtle.

I'd like some kind of black market and a quest that involves eyeballs.

Blade Runner is on my top 3 best movies ever list, and it would be awesome to get a feel of that city atmosphere in FO4. I don't think it's possible, or that it would even be right, in Fallout though. It's more of a "big city" feel, and so far Fallout communities just haven't been that large. Boston could be different, of course, but if the community is limited to the size of a baseball stadium, then probably not.

i-Robot also has an apparent 'self aware' robot.

I loved Blade Runner. The ending can still bring me to tears. The dove ... man that's deep.

A Boy and His Dog movie really turned me off though. I watched it when it first came out, back when I was in college, and only because the movie poster said it won some Hugo award. Well I didn't know what a Hugo award was, but it had to be good right. Well that movie ... I mean damn. It just didn't quite go as expected. I think what got me most is that you really dislike the protagonist. In fact it's easy to even hate the guy. When playing a FO game I don't want to be that guy, though I could see how easy it would be to be him.

I think this is exactly the point. He's a complete [censored], but he does what he has to do to survive. I think it's realistic that you'd default to covering your absolute basic needs in a situation like that, but he's definitely being a jerk about it.

Ah, Blade Runner. My favorite movie ever. I think and hope we will get some of the same themes in Fallout 4.

I forget where I stumbled across this movie first, but I've seen it twice now and despite its many shortcomings, I still enjoy it. It definitely has that post-apocalyptic vibe to it. The whole androids-are-people-too angle is not beat over your head too forcefully (and frankly the AI is such that the argument's not really there).

Another source might be Ghost In The Shell. I've only ever seen the cartoons on TV and a few of the movies, but there's one episode where a guy falls in love with his robot and they sort of touch on human-AI relations and interactions. Of course that whole universe plays fast and loose with what it means to be human, cyborg, etc.

Errr...Westworld was less about sentient AI and moral questions than man made machines run amok. The question did arise, but was certainly not the main theme of the movie. It was a good movie, but then it was a Micheal Crichton creation.

Westworld is getting remade as an HBO series and looks promising, but the more recent BBC production HUMANS was a VERY good modern take on the theme. Worth watching, IMO.

I seriously wish someone would do a real adaption of Assimov's Robot series as several of those books and short stories went really deep into the subject of sentient AI possibilities. Then again, Hollywood would likely end up with another I, Robot. Not that it was a bad movie, it just had very little to do with the original short stories and Crime novels (it had some common themes with "Little Lost Robot" and shared some character names only).

Indeed. I just dropped Cherry as it's a movie of about the same time. with post apoc-ness and androids.
That, and because the android/bladerunner "default" everyone seems to go to (and has for years now) is, IMO tired and shortsighted, when there are so many android stories to pull from that are not Bladerunner.




As an aside, I've even had people tell me (usually while lamenting about Bladerunner in FO) "FO is about humans and their problems, not androids."
But thematically, "Android stories are not essentially stories "about" androids; they are stories about the human condition and what it means to be human."