Sure you can objectively quanitfy how close a game hews to its original.

What is 100% subjective though is to assign a value judgement to that. And that's where opinions have differed on this for... -sigh- nearly eight years.

I love the old games. Sure I'd prefer a turn-based Fallout game again. But I prefer that sort of game.

Doesn't make one objectively better than another - because its simply a matter of preference whether you want Fallout to go back to that or not.

Of course, but I don't think this is where the discussion began. The OP is a video which is one entry in a million of others about why Bethesda's Fallout is not good Fallout. And the reasons always trace back to what I outlined earlier. Whether or not you prefer one or the other is both neither here nor there, but ultimately meaningless. And it was that distinction which apparently got under your skin just enough to make you quote and respond to me. Thing is...without quantifying the degree to which a thing is a thing, you're just left with what to me equates to a forum of Toddlers (get it?) playing with their race cars. And one likes the red car better because he likes red! Another likes the blue car the best because...wait for it...he likes blue!

All I'm saying is, without any beef to your argument you're just a couple'a buns.

EDIT: Apropos, the fourth one down suits your sighed comment. https://imageshack.com/i/p7Adabq4j

What's wrong with fedoras? My dad wore fedoras. Every single detective in any noir movie wears a fedora. They are cool.

Taste is not opinion. Taste cannot be argued. Opinion can. The post which you say you will never be able to understand is taste. Your either mistake his post for opinion or you mistakenly believe that taste can be argued, hence you believe he did something wrong by posting "without really backing it up."

To show the person how his post looks to you, you attempt to state your preference for the older Fallouts in the same manner that he expresses his for the newer ones. You say, "I have way more fun with Black Isle's Fallout than I ever had with Bethesda's shoddy interpretation of Fallout," and your attempt fails. His post is taste alone. Your example is both taste and opinion. Had you had placed your period immediately after "Bethesda's," and had dropped the remainder, then you would have had it right.

When nu_clear_day tries to explain taste to you a few posts later, you reply, "And sure, you don't HAVE to frame your opinions, but you also don't have to post on message boards on the internet. If all you have to say is 'I like this' or 'I don't like that' then why even pretend to converse?" You further demonstrate that you do not know the difference between taste and opinion. You erroneously refer to "I like this" as an opinion, and you expect it to be framed as such, and you're just dead wrong to think it possible.

You are presuming to tell people that they ought to support their expressed preferences, yet you don't know how it is done.

It ain't no party, it ain't no disco, it ain't no fooling around!

But yeah thanks for pointing out that I slid judgement into my example. I was SO worried about whether or not it was actually equivalent and not equivocal and not trying to make a wholly different point or anything. One I made a few times since that post, if'n you actually desired to get to the heart of the matter.

Who does this? I mean seriously. It's a game. Something that is completely subjective. The original Fallouts were fun and all, but to me nothing to obsess over. Also, we have these Bethesda haters who have been like "I shall passive-aggressively hate Bethesda on these forums forever - muhahaha. Seriously get a life people. It's just a game. You either like it or you don't, but hanging around for almost a decade telling people how much you dislike a GAME company is pretty pathetic.

1. I know it might seem trifling, but one doesn't exactly choose what one obsesses over. It just happens.
2. Being bothered by it seems even sadder.

It's very pathetic, but it's alsoamusing in a sad way since Bethesda clearly doesn't care in tthe slightest what people of that mindset think, and rightfully so.

The real amusemant here comes from people who think they're on some sort of high horse with the sort of looking down on others rhetoric and holier than thou attitude when it comes to tolerating criticism over things they apparently like within the context of the forum. Not naming anyone...

Almost as fun as those defending obvious stupidity in design to such lengths that they get tangled and lost in their own logic loops, but not quite.

New Vegas was the best.