Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel 2 design document leaked : Fallout Series Discussion

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:30 pm

Blast from the past:

http://gameoftheart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4914

Ok, so I've been sitting on this for several years now because I didn't know how awesome Fallout really was. I had never played the games, sue me. Er... wait, actually don't sue me.

Most people who follow Fallout know about the canceled version of Fallout 3 codenamed Van Buren, few know about the *other* canceled project, Brotherhood of Steel 2.

It seems Interplay knew the first BoS game wasn't very good. They were using it as a platform to pay for the development costs of the engine and to fund the second game. They went out of business before they were able to execute this plan.

Several years ago, I was given a copy of the design document for this game, the bible on which the game would be based. Now I'm going to share it with the community.

http://gameoftheart.com/downloads/Fallout_BoS2_Design.pdf

It was actually written by Brian Freyermuth, one of the FO1 designers (who was only a level designer on the first FOBOS) and incorporates some stuff from Van Buren.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:41 am

I can only imagine how horrible would FOBOS2 have been.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:31 pm

Actually, it looks like it was going to at least be better than the first one. It had some choices and consequences, more use for skills, added stealth, and a better story (partly based on Van Buren and Fallout Tactics 2).

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:24 pm

Hey, B.O.S wasn't that bad! It was pretty enjoyable.

» Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:23 am

Hey, B.O.S wasn't that bad! It was pretty enjoyable.

Wow, BOS has a first fan!

Are you kidding? It was horrible for obvious reasons I'm not going to explain.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:53 pm

It was NOT BAD! God.. the graphics are kinda rad, but the lightning effects are awesome. Actually, i whould like to see F:BOS 2 on the market! That whould be awesome!

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:36 am

We will take all the good parts of BOS and make them great. WHAT GOOD PARTS!!

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:38 pm

It was NOT BAD! God.. the graphics are kinda rad, but the lightning effects are awesome. Actually, i whould like to see F:BOS 2 on the market! That whould be awesome!

That, sir, is some awesome sarcasm. Well ok, if it's not, you've shattered my hope in gamers of today.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:02 pm

It was NOT BAD! God.. the graphics are kinda rad, but the lightning effects are awesome. Actually, i whould like to see F:BOS 2 on the market! That whould be awesome!

Anything else positive about the game you might want to add? I don't really fall for graphics if the gameplay is too horrible to mention.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:10 pm

Hey, B.O.S wasn't that bad! It was pretty enjoyable.

Errr...I played the PC version Fallout Tactics: B.O.S. and it was good ...but the Xbox B.O.S...man on the first glitch I almost had a nervous breakdown...still need some pill's to forget that...

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:46 pm

I've never played B.O.S, and have taken a fleeting interest despite it's critical reception

Who owns the sales rights to that then? If it's Bethesda then I'll pass, they've raked in too much money than they deserve from the franchise based on what they've produced, and I'm boycotting their products until they get their act together

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:36 pm

Interplay has the rights to sell all past Fallout games, just like with FO1, FO2 and FOT.

Errr...I played the PC version Fallout Tactics: B.O.S. and it was good ...but the Xbox B.O.S...man on the first glitch I almost had a nervous breakdown...still need some pill's to forget that...

For people who don't know, Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel and Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel have nothing in common aside from title. Completely different game made by completely different people.

» Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:42 am

It was NOT BAD! God.. the graphics are kinda rad, but the lightning effects are awesome. Actually, i whould like to see F:BOS 2 on the market! That whould be awesome!

You sir, have won an Internet.

» Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:08 am

Interplay has the rights to sell all past Fallout games, just like with FO1, FO2 and FOT.

For people who don't know, Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel and Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel have nothing in common aside from title. Completely different game made by completely different people.

EDIT: I should know better then to browse forums when tired, as I totally misread the title ><

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:38 pm

Hmm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't they also supposed to make Fallout Tactics 2? Since that at least enjoyed a modicum of success.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:16 pm

Yes, and it was also canceled.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Tactics_2

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:06 pm

Thanks for the link. That's pretty sad. That mutant croc looks awesome.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:09 pm

F2Tactics whould also be awesome. But, Fo:Bos was not a bad game! It was actually a good hack n' slash, with some minor advortasing for http://www.bawls.com/.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:33 pm

Back under your bridge, troll!

» Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:39 am

I should say the same. (:

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:32 pm

I think I will buy B.O.S. Just out of curiosity. It can't be as good as the Vampire Rain. That game is epic.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:55 pm

Looks like another game (the first one was the Fat Man) was lifted by Bethesda from the FOBOS2 design doc:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Tesla_Cannon

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:12 am

Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel 2 would be great. But it was have to be more realistic.

How do we accomplish that, you ask?

More product placement!

The Bawls shirt and super-valuable caps were great. But why can't we have more geek chic items? First, Bawls isn't milked enough. We should replace Mentats with Bawls Mints and allow the player character to combine Bawls with the mints. Maybe we can get other brands into the mix, like Monster! SUMO beanbag chairs can provide a "Well Rested"-like bonus! Apple laptops can increase intelligence! iPods can provide a huge charisma boost!

» Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:07 am

I've never played B.O.S, and have taken a fleeting interest despite it's critical reception

Who owns the sales rights to that then? If it's Bethesda then I'll pass, they've raked in too much money than they deserve from the franchise based on what they've produced, and I'm boycotting their products until they get their act together

But not their forums?

Interesting.

» Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:23 pm

Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel 2 would be great. But it was have to be more realistic.

How do we accomplish that, you ask?

More product placement!

The Bawls shirt and super-valuable caps were great. But why can't we have more geek chic items? First, Bawls isn't milked enough. We should replace Mentats with Bawls Mints and allow the player character to combine Bawls with the mints. Maybe we can get other brands into the mix, like Monster! SUMO beanbag chairs can provide a "Well Rested"-like bonus! Apple laptops can increase intelligence! iPods can provide a huge charisma boost!

Damn it you fool, now some imbecile from marketing will see this, and we'll be right and truly boned.