Is Fallout 3 Canon?

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:20 pm

3) Interpretation 3: Whoever owns or gets the rights to write a portion of the Fallout series, that is now a part of the canon.


This is my own interpretation to how Canon works; with a caveat. The addition to the FO series is considered canon as long as it is accepted by most fans. Especially if the events that happen in that addition is mentioned in a later game/book/movie etc.

There's few here on the official forum, or even on NMA or other forums who would say FO:BoS is canon, either fully or partly. And I'm sure it will stay like that if Bethesda or another company wants to stay on the good graces of those who enjoy the Fallout series.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:06 pm

The GECK as presented in FO1 and 2 was nothing like that.


From the Fallout manual:

Replicator Unit- replicates food
and basic items needed for building
your new world. Just add water!
(powered by cold fusion)


That does imply that it can create life out of lifelessness, and the existence of NCR and Vault City which both have trees I might add also implies as such. :shrug:

Now the GECK isn't supposed to kill the user true, but that's likely just a stupid design decision on Bethesda's part because not allowing the player to use the GECK would make too much sense.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:44 pm

That does imply that it can create life out of lifelessness, and the existence of NCR and Vault City which both have trees I might add also implies as such.


Not really, it just fertilizes the soil and contains various seeds, and the food it replicates is probably not "life" but some synthetic goo.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:25 am

Not really, it just fertilizes the soil and contains various seeds, and the food it replicates is probably not "life" but some synthetic goo.
I'm not sure where you are getting that from. I'd say that it sounds more like a molecular assembler (like in Star Trek). I can't imagine why it wouldn't be able to generate some living things if it is in the business of molecular manipulation.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:35 am

Star Trek replicators actually can't generate living things. :)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:08 pm

I picked the second option. I can't say I'd agree with everything they did, but I was happy with it for the most part. For the most part, the biggest gripes I would have is a lack of explanation of certain things (what the Supermutant "plan" is, for example. Or how Jet got all the way to the East Coast - especially considering I shut down their operation in Fallout 2...)

On the other hand - it's not like I thought they weren't going to make some changes to the lore. It's their game now, and they had their own ideas on the direction the series was going to go. I highly doubt I would have agreed with everything regardless of what they were going to do with it.


I always likened the Vault 87 Super-Mutants to the Jurassic Park cloned Raptors, without a "master" they have devolved into a basically unorganized monsters and just want to create more.

Also after Jet gets out Im sure it could be reveresed engineered and spread, illegal drugs right now are like cockroaches..
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:48 am

This is my own interpretation to how Canon works; with a caveat. The addition to the FO series is considered canon as long as it is accepted by most fans. Especially if the events that happen in that addition is mentioned in a later game/book/movie etc.

There's few here on the official forum, or even on NMA or other forums who would say FO:BoS is canon, either fully or partly. And I'm sure it will stay like that if Bethesda or another company wants to stay on the good graces of those who enjoy the Fallout series.


No, canon is canon. Fans who don't want to believe it is have that option but it doesn't make it not canon. Whoever owns the rights makes it canon, and anyone who thinks BOS isn't canon is fooling themselves. There's not "few" who don't think it is, that's preposterous.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:25 pm

No, canon is canon. Fans who don't want to believe it is have that option but it doesn't make it not canon.

No way. If many people believe the Earth is flat, the Earth IS flat!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:34 am

Whoever owns the rights makes it canon, and anyone who thinks BOS isn't canon is fooling themselves.


How so? Bethesda, who do own the rights now, declared FO:BOS as non-canon.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:01 pm

The largest problem that Fallout is suffering from these days is continuity, since Fallout 3, Fallout Tactics and BOS all contradict the original story...and I think so long as the product keeps changing hands, revisions and changes will be the unfortunate side effect.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:11 pm

No, canon is canon. Fans who don't want to believe it is have that option but it doesn't make it not canon. Whoever owns the rights makes it canon, and anyone who thinks BOS isn't canon is fooling themselves. There's not "few" who don't think it is, that's preposterous.


Not even Interplay considered BOS canon, never mind Bethesda. I've never met any sane, serious person who thinks it is.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:44 pm

I think it's fun to read all the people who throw around the word "Canon", as if its the newest fashion statement. Here's an actual definition of the word:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction)


So as you can see, the word Canon isn't really up for discussion. It's an objective word, and defining it subjectively is like saying that a car, or the color green, or 30 years old age, is a personal opinion. Completely illogical. But this is not to say that you can't have an opinion about the parts of Fallout 3 that you think is true to the previous games. But it has nothing to do with the word "Canon". Fallout 3 is an official Fallout product, automatically making it Canon (per definition).

As for BOS, it relates to the Fallout Universe in the same way that the James Bond movie "Never say Never Again" relates to the Bond series - Non-canon and basically a spin-off. Whether it is true to the universe or not, is a completely different debate. Personally, I haven't played it, so I can't say how true it is.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:41 pm

I think it's fun to read all the people who throw around the word "Canon", as if its the newest fashion statement. Here's an actual definition of the word:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_(fiction)


So as you can see, the word Canon isn't really up for discussion. It's an objective word, and defining it subjectively is like saying that a car, or the color green, or 30 years old age, is a personal opinion. Completely illogical. But this is not to say that you can't have an opinion about the parts of Fallout 3 that you think is true to the previous games. But it has nothing to do with the word "Canon". Fallout 3 is an official Fallout product, automatically making it Canon (per definition).


I agree. There are a lot of Star Trek fans grumbling that they do not accept the new movie as canon, well that's tough, it is. You may not like it as a viewer or a gamer but you cannot decide if it is canon or not, only the owners of the franchise can do that. I hated the Star Wars prequels with a passion but I can rant about it 'till the Taun Tauns come home, what Lucas says, goes (The idiot).
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:36 pm

I always likened the Vault 87 Super-Mutants to the Jurassic Park cloned Raptors, without a "master" they have devolved into a basically unorganized monsters and just want to create more.

Also after Jet gets out Im sure it could be reveresed engineered and spread, illegal drugs right now are like cockroaches..

That's just the thing though - without any sort of in-game explanations for these developments, all we're left with are our own rationalizations. I can come up with my own way to resolve any missing links in the game, but that's not the same as Bethesda saying "Okay, well here's what Myron did with his recipe for Jet after the player finished Fallout 2; and this is how it ended up being produced en masse all the way over on the other side of the country." :)

Okay, it's Canon that Jet is on the East Coast now, and that Vault 87 "mysteriously" had access to FEV, as well. What's decidedly not Canon is that there's any explanation for these things at all.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:10 pm

I was reading the Fallout Bible and in February 2077 FEV research is leaked to the entire world by an unknown source. It is perhaps a plausible theory that this leak is the source of FEV research found on the East Coast, perhaps continued by the remnants of the Master's Army or another third party. :shrug:

Who knows, knowing how many wackos there are in the world, it's possible the with a leak of that magnitude FEV research or variations of it could have been begun in places outside of the US as well.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:24 pm

From what I've played of FO1 and heard/read about FO2, it seems a bit absurd to speak of Fallout "canon". The entire Fallout universe is over-the-top, campy humour, almost like the Flintstones. It doesn't seem that it was intended to be taken so seriously as to speak of "canon", no matter what somebody wrote up after the games were released.


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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:24 pm

I can't believe this thread is still going.

It reminds me of

Grigori Rasputin (January 22, 1869 ? December 29, 1916)

The Mad Monk, Grigori Rasputin, was a peasant and mystic healer who found favor with the royal court of Russia by providing relief to Crown Prince Aleksey, a hemophiliac and heir to the throne.

Wielding much influence on the royal court, the unkempt, vulgar, and amazingly resilient Rasputin made many political enemies. He had to go; much easier said than done. The conspirators first tried poison, enough poison to kill a man three times his size, but he seemed unaffected. Next they snuck up behind him and shot him in the head. This should have done it, but no; while one of the assassins was checking his pulse, the mystic grabbed the conspirator by the neck and proceeded to strangle him. Running away, the would-be assassins took up the chase, shooting him 3 times in the process. The gunshots slowed him down enough to allow his pursuers to catch-up. They then proceeded to bludgeon him before throwing him in the icy cold river (Russian winter). When his body was recovered an autopsy showed that the cause of death was drowning.


But that said, Fallout 3 is of course Canon, seeing as the Canon of Fallout is about as solid as a mansion built upon sand.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:46 pm

I'm guessing that Fallout 4 will be even more convoluted and will add more questions than answers to the Fallout "Canon".
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:59 pm

I'm guessing that Fallout 4 will be even more convoluted and will add more questions than answers to the Fallout "Canon".

Questions demand answers, which would mean they would ensure a 5th game, which might be the plan.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:06 am

Questions demand answers, which would mean they would ensure a 5th game, which might be the plan.


The major lingering problem in the Fallout series, will always be the fact that because the franchise has been spun off, and now owned by a different company, the "canon" of the series can only become more convoluted, and though a 5th game might help to flesh out the story...it'll leave the same problem as before...more questions....
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:29 am

Though one thing that the producers could always do, is somehow blame "Vault Tech Research" and "time travel", so that they can explain some of the larger and more obvious errors that seems to be occurring in the new Fallout renditions.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:21 pm

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:36 pm

How so? Bethesda, who do own the rights now, declared FO:BOS as non-canon.


I made a mistake, I'm speaking of Broken Steel. My bad. I saw BOS and Thought BS
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:32 am

Okay, it's Canon that Jet is on the East Coast now,


Jet spreads. Just like opium and heroin did in real life. It doesn't take a genius to take a load of Jet over the continent and establish a huge market with dealing drugs. 30 years is far more than enough to make Jet spread.

and that Vault 87 "mysteriously" had access to FEV, as well. What's decidedly not Canon is that there's any explanation for these things at all.


"Dr. Wayne Merrick

I'm told that Dr. Merrick is one of the brightest minds in the field of accelerated evolution, and apparently Vault-Tec agrees, because they've set up this Vault around him to suit all of his needs in the event that the bombs fall. All of his data and his work have been transferred to this facility from many important sources such as Mariposa Base, West-Tek and Vault-Tec Labs."

From Vault 87 Overseer's terminal.
Thus, 87 recieved FEV to maintain the experimentation program in case the bombs fell. Simple.
EDIT: Noting that he uses the verb "fall" in present tense, it means that 87 was closed before Octover 2077.
That can explain the different FEV model they use. It was older and less "good" version of FEV, while the "good stuff" was developed in California after 87 was sealed.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:01 pm

Jet spreads. Just like opium and heroin did in real life. It doesn't take a genius to take a load of Jet over the continent and establish a huge market with dealing drugs. 30 years is far more than enough to make Jet spread.

Fallout 3 has jet in pre-war locations.
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