Try reading the FAQ FNV forum. You'd be surprised just how many actually get off on that awful stuff.

Every Fallout has immature moments. Grab Wild Wasteland in NV and you'll see a lot more.

wonder if fisto's still up and.. uh... fisting over in vegas

K. Unfortunately, until you can buy the licensing rights from Bethesda, the two come as a package. Get both the good with the bad, or get neither. I'm not saying this is a great situation to be in, mind you. I'm just saying it's not some great injustice for which we are owed recompense. Nahmean?

Hah, I know my New Vegas character always likes to check in at the Atomic Wrangler since they have a nice free room for him to spend the night in. Im sure if the Mojave was a real place he'd come back from his travels one day and find that the entire place has been ransacked, bodies everywhere - except for Fisto that is now the prize of some raider cheiftans collection somewhere far to the north.

Hmm. I wonder how hard it would be to make a mod like that.

seems like it's utterly impossible to write a whacko enough faction to make sure nobody wants to join - is there a "childs of atom" fanclub out there already btw?

Yes ISIL is an real world example who is just as surreal as the legion.

Indeed, dark comedy, mature on its own, unique way. Thats what it is.


Would you call Fallout 4 a dark comedy with any direction on mature content? It feels like teen's cartoon. A poorly-written one.

if that raider manages to obtain Drinking Buddy too, he'd never have to leave his shack again

Love those guys. Absolutely nuts but have the best dialogue EVER! I still want to know how they manage to survive out there in the Glowing Sea when I'd be dead in less than a minute. Talk about built up resistance (and they're not even Ghouls!).

Caesar's Legion appeals to people who believe that the concept of survival of the fittest is ideal. I don't agree with that sentiment, but I can understand it.

The Legion isn't about survival of the fittest. It's about how cruel and inhumane you can be to your fellow man.

Fitness has nothing to do with a complete lack of moral fiber, compassion, loyalty or humanity.

I was happy to execute every single one of them I ran across from my first encounter with them way back at the beginning of the game.

Go ahead Caesar, send your hit-men. They will die.

So, you want to meet? Great. Gives me the opportunity to kill you.

Sorry. Just my opinion. To me, they are the ultimate turnoff for FNV for me. I could deal with almost anything else, but that Faction pissed me off so much, it just soured me on the whole experience.

Modern games are more sanitized, no its not so much sensorship as that graphic is good and we demand that we see is that we get. in the old isotermisk games you did not get details so you could do way more.

Arcanium steamwork and magic had an brothel where you even could have six with an sheep and do home visits as an hoker if you was female.

Worked as grapic did not let you see much anyway, think hotline miami.

The fun part of the FO:NV quest chain with Fisto who also involved an ghoul cowboy was the manager tried very badly to claim it was for customers.

Listen, I'd be the first to tell anyone, I prefer the New Vegas approach over the more generic approach I feel in FO3/FO4...but Mature? Seriously? The entire series is saturated in a sort of darkish tongue in cheek, cheesy 50's sci-fi theme, capturing a sort of balance between the era's cultural innocence and paranoia....that has certainly never taken itself too seriously.

Look at Old World Blues, or even the USS Constitution quest (won't spoil it). They are positively LOL.

That's Fallout!

But then again, I'm looking for that old Lost Planet-ish (robots LOL), goofy, sci-fi feel...not some sort of cheap "oh I'm dark and edgy" Game of Throne knock-off.

seeeeeeee...??

took the "ghoulish" perk? no idea, still wondering about that too. any lore explanation to this?

had my most absurd fo4 battle so far yesterday btw:

crawled out of the water with health within heavy heartbeat range, no stimpaks, food or anything, no ammo except ~50 shots 10mm left, with the hazmat suit i had managed to flee from another location in still on, at the lighthouse. the moment i get out of the water, red dots flashing up and folk opening fire from all sides, and i'm all "never get out of this alive" -

a horde of childs of the atom with radiation guns )))

took them all out with my last couple 10mm rounds and a walking cane, zero damage and a heavily beating hard and then went for a nap in the house before i finished up the glowing one )

I wonder if OP means 'amateur', because they do need professionals doing the writing.

how is running with a mob "survival of the fittest"? shouldn't they, like, devour eachother in the end then?

It's just personal preference. For example I love Fallout 3 and 4 while NV bored me to tears. I would not be at all surprised if the NV fans feel the same way about FO 3 and 4.

Considering you had the example of FO3, why on earth did you buy the game without finding reviews written by other original Fallout fans so you could evaluate it before buying? There are websites out there that specialize in the old games, and scrutinizing in minute, microscopic detail down to the last pixel every single thing in Bethesda's Fallout games. If they believe something isn't "Fallout" they post about it extensively. Really, if you want the Witcher, that is the game you should be playing. Doing multiple comparisons between the Witcher, made by a different company, and Fallout by Bethesda isn't going to do much for either game.

The relative merits of games depends heavily on personal preference and personal opinion. Fallout 3 wasn't one of my all time favorite games, but I enjoyed it more than I did FNV. For me the story was "meh"; if I decided I didn't want revenge, the whole point of the game was, what, exactly? I really didn't care much for any of the factions for many reasons, although the Legion was easy to dislike. You had to choose one faction, whether you wanted to or not. I hated the many, many invisible fences that stopped my character from going up a hill, down rocks, or finding an alternate route somewhere. The only thing they were missing were the "Path this way only" signs.

Bethesda bought the "best franchise in history". They can do with it what they want. The potential buyers/players get to decide whether they want to accept Bethesda's interpretation or not. Bethesda has created their own universe. They make games for that one, too.

Fallout NV had lots of dialogue, not all was very good but quantity is an quality of its own. Fallout 3 had better dialogues than FO4, problem is the idiot dialogue system who make all dialogue very shallow unless they put lots of work into it like they did with followers and the follower dialogues are pretty linear. FO:NV weakest part was the environment who is Bethstas strong point.

However the faction interaction is better in FO4 than FO:NV with no pure evil faction.

Well, I like them all, but for different reasons. (well, except tactics lol) I just hope that Beth take some of the critique FO4 has gotten, to heart, in hope of an even better experience.

Well, haven't the world always been like that? The Legion, while primarily a slave army, they do hold some ideals very high, and tries to mimic a lot from the old Roman Empire (which were just as cruel) It still, is a question about survival, just a different way going about it

I wouldn't really call the dialogue system in Fallout 4 being a idiot or anything its just...Eh.

Voiced protagonist is a misstep in my opinion. Much like the really crazy level scaling in Oblivion was a misstep. I am 100% positive it will be in a different form in the next game, since with this much negative feedback Bethesda will be doing something to address a lot of it, but...Yeah, when I first heard the leaks of Fallout 4 having a voiced protagonist around that Survivor2299 stuff I thought it was proof positive that those leaks were fake since it would be so contrary to what I like in Bethesda. Its not a game ruiner or anything, just that its very much something that I think detracts from the game.

Okay. Then I don't feel guilty at all for executing every last one of them. Worthless wastes of flesh. Stupid sheep. No wonder Rome fell.

This is what hurts me the most. I lost my favourite franchise. Fallout 4 ruined my hope that Bethesda could understand what Fallout was and what it should be right now. Back then, Fallout was bloody cRPG, full of difficult choices to make, amazing stories to hear or read and absolutely satisfying gameplay. Today, Bethesda's Fallout is just FPS, no more difficult choices to make, no more lookin for guides to push the action further, just shooting, shooting, shooting and bad dialogues. And it is not beacuse I am an old gamer. Im 18 years old, my first Fallout was New Vegas, then I got back to Fallouts 1/2. It is beacuse I want games to be ambitious, I want give them to writers, screenwriters, film directors and say: 'hey! Look at this masterpiece! It is the real art of XXI century! A video game!' but I cant because people like Bethesda devs prefer to avoid mature topics and feed feeble-minded youth with simplyfied gameplay mechanics and bad scripts. Come on guys, grow up and start require a video game to be something more than unambitious FPS with minor RP elements. Especially the one like Fallout. Most unique franchise in the industry.


Bethesda will make Fallout 5 soon. They will receive a lot of money once again. Modders will be happy, bethfans will be happy, teens will be happy, everybody will be happy. Except me.

and the shooting and killing...