Not a chance in hell. Especially since they attach a large part of their modding community to the Steam Workshop and even implemented a way for Vavle to get money off of people's mods (now removed but it happened).

Blame the suits at zenimax they are the ones that enforce DRM, usually the actual developers want their games to be DRM free but what you gonna do ?

Stop whining, you are still getting a game, they could just as easily make it console exclusive.

To many self-privileged people nowadays, look at Ark and the Witcher 3, both great games but people [censored]ed and whined over things that don't matter.

Ok I'm hoping Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Games Studios sells a version of the PC version of Fallout 4 without Steam or any Digital Rights Management (DRM) copy protection client software of any type.

If the PC version of Fallout 4 is more than 35GB's. It will make me mad because I have a monthly data cap of 300GB only. If I go over 300GB's Comcast will charge me more for each GB I go over.

Video games are getting bigger and bigger in size. I cannot afford to be tied to the internet with video games getting bigger and bigger.

There are going to be physical copies of course, so you won't have to worry about your data caps. As far as no DRM goes, Bethesda isn't the developer to look to for that kind of thing, sadly.

If there are boxed physical versions of the PC version of Fallout 4 that will be released for sale I will still have to worry about my monthly data caps if the PC version of Fallout 4 is tied to Steam. I have to log on Steam to activate the PC version of Fallout 4.

Also I think some people mentioned it many times, but I also have those problems with Steam where I have to be connected to Steam in online mod to download and install the PC versions of video games that I purchase that have Steam as a requirement.

Steam's offline mode is always bugged for me in this situation and VALVe never seems to care to fix this problem. The only time I can play my video games in offline mode is when they are finished downloading and installing if I play singleplayer. It will not even let me turn off auto-updates either.

have you tired uninstalling steam. sounds like a nasty problem

I fully support Bethesda in its war against piracy. It is incredibly likely that the game will be released on DRM as Bethesda has done so in the past and has given no indication whatsoever of chaning. The Bethesda store also offers a PC edition that appears to hold a disc, though Steam service may still be a requirement to play. The thing about Bethesda is that it leads a number of "wars," if you will, against gaming concepts to boost their business. Used games, piracy, and illegal client usage have all been HUGE things that Bethesda has taken great lengths to expel and would thus likely stand by Steam and reliable clients. So while it is possible that you can get a disc from Bethesda, you may still need Steam service. Perhaps Bethesda will branch out to other services? Perhaps they won't require any. But don't get your hopes up.

I haven't bought a physical game in a while, but I figured that most of the data is on the disc. The patches that will inevitably come will probably add up to a few gigs, though.

Yes I have uninstalled Steam probably hundreds of times. I have been using Steam since 2004.

Steam require internet to register, you don't need it afterwards. Played Skyrim on an unstable line and if no internet it used an extra minute to start.

I think the pirate war was won with Skyrim and mods was probably be an important part, first for causal players the steam workshop was an nice place for mods.

For advanced players, SKSE did not work on an hacked game. The upcoming refund if you don't like the game will reduce the problem more.

Yes over time steam dominance is an issue, however we will probably get copycats whit lower margins.

I'm hoping ZeniMax Media Inc. and Bethesda Softworks recognizes gog.com soon and that there is a lot of money to be earned from selling their video games on gog.com.

Right now gog.com has over 70+ million customers. It was like in November 2014 where gog.com announced they got 70 million customers since 2008 and 24 million active customers for that year alone.

I'm not saying all 70+ million accounts on gog.com are going to purchase video games published from Bethesda Softworks, but 70+ million people are potential customers.

another thread showed it available for pre-order from beth, steam, & amazon.

I'd like to see the game go DRM free as well, I just don't see it happening. Bethesda is great about allowing mods freely but they just go with the status quo as far as DRM is concerned.

Well the DRM for PC is more so to reduce pirating. I personally don't mind if they keep it on DRM. As long as it does not use Micro transactions, or have the requirement to be connected to a server to play the game for just singleplayer.

Not to mention some really good sales. I was really reluctant about using Steam when Civilization 5 came out, but I gave in when it came to New Vegas, and I'm glad now that I did. I'm setting aside a little bit of money each month and expect to be able to pick up several games around Christmas for a fraction of the original price.

The game won't go drm free and i've never had a problem with Skyrim or New Vegas on Steam and that's with mods, but i remember playing Fallout 3 originally on GFWL, so it could be worse!!

Steam is a great service, never had a problem with them and very few games require you to be in online mode to play them. I like GoG sure but it doesn't really do anything to stop piracy and it's big appeal is getting old games that are hard to find anywhere with a bundled in DOS program that makes running it easier, it's not built to combat piracy but to offer people who don't like piracy a chance to play old games that are extremely difficult to find legit.

Rogues? You mean consumer friendly?

CD Project Red are probably the most consumer friendly develop currently in the gaming world.

DRM is pointless, the people that will pirate it will still pirate the game, they just may have to wait a few days whilst it happens. All it does in the end is hurt the end user by signing you up to a 3rd parties ToS and makes you reliant on their servers and system working

I do agree though that Steam is by far the best out there as far as DRM goes

never understood all the steam hate mysefl. keeping stacks of disks, boxes, and manuals around seems so...................90's. I love having all my games on one client that i never have to worry about lost or damaged disks, or lost activation codes. easiest way possible to buy and keep games. and the summer and winter sales are awesome. picked up some great titles at great prices during them.

You know what? ppl will always find something to complain on. Steam is the reason the pc gaming is getting so much attention these days. This is because before developers had no way to market their game and easily release on pc and that's why most console games never made it to pc but thats changed now because console developers can easily release their game on steam without having to worry about risking millions in hard copies that may or may not sell well.

Also i would rather have a game that automatically updates itself, i remember the days when i buy game on discs, install them and when an update is released i could'nt find the disc because it needed the disc to install the update and so on. Plus i would have steam rather then craps like starforce and other stupid drm's we had in past.

hang on you are spending the ?0 perineum on steam when you can get the same game boxed and everything for aproxamtly ?8 on amazon saving you ?3

Yes pls make like witcher 3, no DRM.

Most people will probably buy it when it goes on sale anyway.


won't happen and for good reasons, honestly I disagree with the notion that CD is the most "consumer friendly" just because it doesn't do DRM. DRM isn't consumer unfriendly, always online DRM on the other hand is.

I installed witcher 3 from dvd and i can play. like it should be