Steam is DRM. A less intrustive, less obstructive form of it, sure, but it still is a form of digital rights management. Just because it handles all the activation and set up behind the scenes doesn't mean it isn't designed to ensure that only paying customers have access to their content.

This, i hate piles of games, aree a few of my favorite games that i have physical versions of but most of them are special editions.

My room is cluttered enough as it is.

i will mate this game will be steamworks so no worries but i doubt the price will be any different than steam's one where i live. skyrim was available at full price same as steam' price so i bought that on steam other bethesda softworks games like dishonored and wolfenstein the new order were also at full price same as steam with retailers and i think fallout's case will be the same.

most likely you'll be able to purchase fallout 4 on dvd to verify purchase on steam.

I think I need to do some explanations. A big explanation.

A bunch of us PC gamers who are asking Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios to release a 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free version of the PC version of Fallout 4 is because a lot of us all over the Earth have very poor internet connections, no internet connections at all or have monthly bandwidth data caps of x amount of GB's depending how much your Internet Service Provider (ISP's) set a limit for you. Do you expect me to change from Comcast to AT&T? Because AT&T is the only other Internet Service Provider (ISP) in my area where I live and their internet is way worse than Comcast. I know you live in the United Kingdom (UK), but Internet Service Providers (ISP's) in the United States of America are kind of behind most of the world with the internet especially Europe and Japan. Also they have a sort of monopoly. Like I said only Comcast and AT&T exists in my area. Comcast is expensive to pay every month they charge me $120 dollars (USD) each month. AT&T is a little bit cheaper, but their internet is very bad. Another Internet Service Provider (ISP) company does not exist in my area at all not even Google Fiber.

Bethesda Softworks can still sell their video games on Steam. We are not asking them to stop selling their video games on Steam at all. Exclusivity is bad. VALVe's Steam is becoming a monopoly, which is also bad. Answer me this question do you want Steam on the PC gaming market to become a monopoly? We need choices where we want to purchase our video games from. We should be able to purchase the PC version of Fallout 4 from gog.com as well 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free. Right now gog.com has 70+ million PC gamer customers. The physical boxed version of the PC version of Fallout 4 sold to brick and mortar retailer stores world wide should also be 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free.

Due to VALVe's Steam becoming a monopoly. I hated Electronic Arts (EA's) Origin ever since I heard about it in 2010. Since 2010 I have not purchase 1 single video game published by Electronic Arts (EA) at all. I have not even made a Electronic Arts (EA) Origin account yet still to this day today, but ever since VALVe and Bethesda Softworks announced in April of this year paid mods for the PC version of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on Steam I'm thinking more and more about also making a Electronic Arts (EA) Origin account. I have 4 Steam accounts and 2 gog.com accounts.

There is proof we need PC versions of video games on PC to be sold in multiple digital distribution retailer website stores other than just on Steam. I think I saw Bethesda Softworks and Bethesda Game Studios also sells The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim on Ubisoft's uPlay store. Maybe even on Electronic Arts (EA's) Origin store as well. The PC version of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim sold on Electronic Arts (EA's) Origin store and Ubisoft's uPlay store might be tied to Steam, but at least it's other digital distribution retailer stores you can purchase The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim from if you don't want to purchase it from Steam.

Digital distribution retailer website stores like humblebundle.com and greenmangaming.com also sell the PC version of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim I think, but if you purchase PC versions of video games from those 2 digital distribution retailer service website stores. Steam does not get a cut at all not even the 30% cut. Steam sees zero cents and zero dollars (USD) from those sales.

I'd rather they went with steam(which they likely will) over yet another third party DRM app.

Yes because two minutes to register a game is such a hardship, man it's like doing a marathon.

It's not about taking 2 minutes to register a video game on Steam. It's about Steam being a monopoly on the PC video games market. Selling PC versions of video games exclusively to 1 digital distribution retailer service store is bad.

Steam has already shown it's a monopoly on the PC video games market. A pseudo monopoly.

Then those gamers would be wrong or have an agenda. I played New Vegas for a few years without having any internet at all and had no problems whatsoever. I only had to log on to their system at first to activate their game, after that it was just like playing any other game in my collection. Without the need for sticking a disc in my drive. I've since been playing all their games offline without any issues whatsoever. The only time I ever go online is to check for updates or to purchase a new game. Anyone who's still harping on about having to "rely on a website to be up and running or internet access in order to play my games" clearly doesn't understand how their system works, and are only complaining for the sake of it.

I installed it from DVD as well. Still had to go online to get the patches, though, as well as the DLC. And according to the GOG Galaxy client, the 1.02 patch was required to play the game. So even there the game had to "phone home" at least once.

Those are the only times you have to get on the internet for the physical boxed version of the PC version of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, but not have to be on the internet for automatic updates, etc.

Exactly the same way for the physical boxed version of the PC version of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind and The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion that I have. No internet needed, but if I want to download the patches or Construction Set (For The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion), then yes I have to get on the internet and go to the Bethesda Softworks website to download them.

Yeah, offline mode works fine. But it does have its flaws though. First off, even in offline mode the steam client (just the client) will still update. Second, if the Steamservers are down and you are connected to the internet, offline mode won磘 be available most of the time. But the latter is either rare or if you know when maintenance is happening, can easily be avoided.

And where is the difference to Steam? You can install any Steamgame from a disc and only have to activate it online once! After that you can set it offline and never bother with it again. The only thing updating will be the client. That磗 it.

Once you activate that disc on Steam. The disc becomes a coaster basically and Steam has auto updates which you cannot turn off. At least every time I check the auto update options I do not see a option to turn auto updates off. Only make auto updates a high priority or always keep this video game up to date.

With the physical boxed version of The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Fallout 3, and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt I do not have to do that unless I CHOOSE to download all of the DLC's and patches.

I had games in offline mod throwing me out just to update....that's already worse enough.I have nothing agasint steam to buy a gmae but it don't need it nor do I like to be forced to have it installed on my PC .

Yep. I have this exact same problem as well.

@Ballowers100: Steam doesn磘 update games in offline mode, ever. So I don磘 see why you are complaining. Just set it offline and leave it there. I had steam offline for 8 months without going online at all. I had zero problems playing my games. As for auto-updates: Sadly Valve removed the option to not update a game. Odd.

@Synthoras: Never happened to me. But was the game offline or the client. If the former, it shouldn磘 have happened though. If the latter, see my reply to Ballowers100. But then again, sometimes steam just bugs out like any other program too.

Not trying to be mean but i always ignore your posts, they are too hard to read.

It does for me. It is a bug VALVe does not seem to care to fix. I think I read somewhere that in either 2013 or 2014 I think it was where it was fixed, but it was never fixed apparently for me. The offline mode restarts into online mode to auto update for me and this is when I make Steam to start in offline mode when I am online. It just switches to online mode from offline mode.

Then it does bug out for you.

Steam doesn't have a monopoly on PC video games market. Numerous other PC games distribution sites exist. Gamersgate (Not GamerGate, Gamersgate has been around for a decade now), GoG, Desura, Origin, humble bundle, Amazon and then you have places where you can buy physical copies of games, there are probably more online PC game distributors and some companies have their own store where they sell physical and digital copies. Saying Steam has a monopoly is like saying Gamestop has a monopoly on console games, just because it's the popular store doesn't mean it has a monopoly.

Other than Desura, Electronic Arts (EA"s) Origin, gog.com, and Ubisoft's uPlay. Steam is a pseudo monopoly on the PC video games market. Most AAA video games sold on PC are sold exclusively on Steam only or require a Steam key if you purchase the video games from greenmangaming.com or humblebundle.com. No idea how gamersgate.com works.

You can buy the game in a store and install it from the disc. You just have to have Steam as well to run it. Steam isn't a big download.

I meant it as a compliment. They are rogues among developers/publishers precisely due to being consumer friendly. They essentially fight against common practices by refusing to use DRM.