ok so killing the master is done to save your vault. saving the wasteland just happened to tag along with it.

As for finding the guy who shot you that isn't the main mission of the game. putting a faction in charge of the Dam therefor controlling the area is the main mission. And your character has never even heard of the NCR and CL or Mr. House. so I just have a hard time find an interest in wanting any of them in charge.

If you look at it, it wasn't really meant as you decide who's in charge. You the courier wanted to retrieve your package and finish you're job. Doing that would put House in charge, but really you had no idea what was it for or anything. Curiosity lead to everything else. Did your heart find a faction's story more warming than the others?? Or did you want to make everything an free for all??

"Nor gunshot to the head..."

Lol... good point!

I was not saying that they need to be linked by the vault dweller or that they need to be from a vault. What I am saying is that the Fallout 1 and 2 are about your characters self interests and not the rest of the wasteland. In fallout 3 there is not real self interest after finding your dad. The Enclave takes the purifier ohno now water will have a tax on it! but nooo the Brotherhood out east have to be the knights in white armor and be the good guys unlike their members in the West and take back the purifier for the people.
For NV replace the purifier with the Dam and the brotherhood with NCR and add a little more gray area.

And the option to either side with the "bad guys" or take over the whole thing for yourself.

Fallout Three svcked.

Thats it.

As long as I have a plight in the wastes that was left after the war, I will take up the plight for improvements. Who knows, next it could be about some seed stores and replanting. Doesn't matter the plight as long as the quests to do so are interesting and the story interesting. So far, I am on board with them all. They are all very good games.

I do think it is indeed a change in formula, but I believe it makes Fallout more Fallout.

In another thread someone have bring up the point that back in FO1 and 2, you can't betray/leave behind your home. That actually creates an awkward limitation to the rather "free style" Fallout game/roleplay.

Along with all the moral greyness in FO1 & 2, the compass of saving your home have made most of the decision for you.

And other problem is neither the Master or Enclave was being realistic, even though the rest of California is (kind of).

To strength moral greyness and post-apocalyptic reality, the 2nd Doomsday and pure Villain have to go.

Ah, there are hints here and there to your story if you look for them. Something tells me we may find out more about the courier in the DLC additions that will be coming out.



Fixed that for ya.

The usual Fallout formula isnt 'LOL IT GOTTA STAY DESOLATE CUZ DAT HOW DA WURLD BE MAN'. Fallouts main formula is and (in my opinion) should always be, a story about a small, personal interest, and becoming tumbled into something bigger than yourself.

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Drbold- Had you paid attention, you'd know Obsidian left your backstory blank because that is supposed to be up to YOU the player to decide. For just as many people who liked having that solid set background in 3, there were people who felt it was to pushy by saying 'you are this and will go there'

On Fallout out 1 and 2 you were tied to an group or clan? In one it wasn't about your self interest, it was about Vault 13's. In 2 it was about your clan. In 3 yea, it was about your mother's dream. 3 was a different because you were a baby looking for your father. You had an deeper connection to the character with parents and friends. In 2 you had a aunt no one liked but it was a clan, and nothing else. In 3 you were either going to help your father or the Enclave really. In New Vegas you are nothing but an lonely courier. What I don't understand is it seems like you didn't even existed until Benny shot you in the head. Did you not live in a town or had a house or anything?? They made it seem like you were just pooped a courier and bang! Just for Benny to shoot.



The Enclave wanted to put an strain of the FEV in the water to kill the mutants, but that also nearly made everyone die didn't they?? What Bethesda and Obsidian did was gave you the player, more options to go by. You can be a good little boy/girl and listen to your Daddy, or go crazy and basically kill everyone. I kind of don't see the difference from 1-3. I mean from one you get told about the water chip you go do the sand village and BOOM! You get hit with radiscorpion story, missing daughter.....and the water chip in the vault up to the north. Go north and nope not there....now what?? You have to go searching for it, you find it and yay!!! but that wasn't the ending, now you have to find the source of the Super Mutants which coincidentally so is the Brotherhood. That's how it ties to the saving the locals around your vault. In 3 you go out looking for your father, but you don't have an timer to do so. But there's just so many random people coming up to you to tell you their sad story or asking you to aid them, that forgetting your father is fairly easy to do. In that process you never really have that many choices in the end of the game. Either you clean the water for the D.C. Wasteland, or you poison it. In New Vegas they put four different ways of completing the game, and they all come known to you after you meet Mr. House for the first time. They all come interrupt you, give you an pardon and an location to be briefed. (All except the independent one) It wasn't about saving the Mojave, it was up to your selfish decision on how the Mojave future would be. It's not like you could say "Screw it, I got a second chance of living forget about being a courier. In the end no matter how you stick it, it's your selfish decision to mold everyone else's lives..

we don't need any kind of posting like this, we are just having a talk about how the story has changed is all. and Fallout 3 did not svck, it was quite good. It gave life to a cult classic game and made it into a title everyone can know about. I know I miss having my little gem of a classic to myself to but now I can talk to people about the adventures of the wasteland that we have had, old and new.

The point of this thread is not to say one is better then the other but to talk about how the change that has been made to the story fomula. Lets not insult the games that we are on their forum for.

You guys do realize that a good number of the people who developed Fallout 1& 2 developed New Vegas right? Bethesda is just the publisher, Obsidian did all the actual work. And I'm glad its changed a little, not to say that the story from Fallout 1 & 2 werent excellent but I dont want Fallout to become another one of those every RPG ever storylines. Ya' know, the Lord of The Rings thing, were theres a evil army, and you have to build an army to stop the evil. Or the FF VII thing, where you dont remember anything and there are a couple of love interests, one of them gets a sword to the back (not to say that that wasnt potent the first time I played FF VII, but after about 90 other games have recycled it its gotten kind of stale)

So yeah, as long as the story has a message behind it and its original I'm good.

And oh yes, who ever said we had to care about the wastelanders? I mean yeah, I dont want them to die a horrible death via the cross, but I dont actually care about them. It takes more than a few hours of knowing somebody to actually care about them.

Also, I was expecting SOMEBODY to know me, but nope, theres that part where Johnson Nash tells you about "The Other Courier" but that was it, you never even learn who he is, idk, maybe there will be a DLC about it. And no, if any of you were wondering, the other courier is NOT the dead guy in Primm, remember, the other courier cancled the delivery that you were going to make, delivery # 6, the dead guy had #4. And its not Old Ben in Freeside either, well, it may be but I cant be for sure. I have played through about 4 or 5 times now (I've made about 24 characters, but I usually dont end up sticking with them) and I still have yet to come across this guy.

Yes but that isn't the point, you can tell that they had their handy work in New Vegas, The story telling (besides the begining) where much better over Fallout 3.

And "THIS is your Dad. END OF DISCUSSION!"

Evolution can be a good thing.

From some of the dialogue options, I get the impression that this character has no memory of his/her life prior to the shooting.

I don't think Fallout has really changed, not from a formulaic standpoint anyway. All of the cRPGs have followed the same basic formula with your character initially seeking out a McGuffin for personal reasons (Water chip, GECK, Dad, Benny/Platinum chip), and during their personal quest they get caught up in something much larger, (Unity, Enclave, Enclave, Hoover Dam). I don't really see any real difference between the formula used in Fallout 1/2, and the formula used in Fallout 3/NV.

i dont think its change all that much the area not as Doom and gloom looking. but the people stayed the same from FO3 in the way they act.

The guy im playing now i killed Benny and now trying to kill off as much of the main quest as i can till the games like "UMMM... yo you cant kill any more People bro" i think thats what the game would say to me lol

That would contradict Sawyers notion (when this was speculated during the developement) of there being no memoryloss of any kind involved.

Not true.

=> In Fallout 1 you can betray Vault 13 and side with the Master to be dipped into the FEV vats and thus turned into a supermutant who later storms the Vault and kills everyone inside (including the Overseer despite his miniguns).

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with the latest Fallout games. I think that they are both superbly completed games that offer a lot of new things to the series.

Really? I missed that one I suppose.....back then the Internet isn't everywhere.

That wasn't the point. Before finding Benny, your whole goal was to find out where the people that shot you and left you for dead went. Then, you find the person and either



After finding the chip your whole "mission" changes.

I gotta disagree. Yahtzee has always been really honest about why he does what he does. Website and magazine reviewers are employees of a media that's only source of profit is from advertisers. If you are a video game reviewer..who then pays your salary? VIDEO GAME COMPANIES!! As such reviewers generally only review the works of those that are paying for it...would you pay for a bad review? Zero Punctuation was started because "The Escapist" had seen/heard some of his other works and thought it was really funny and marketable. In rebellion of the trend...Yahtzee has stated that instead of pointing out all of the really great features and work in any given game while glossing over the flaws (which is what %99 of all reviews are these days..I refer you to all of the old articles that called Guild Wars an MMORPG) he decided to focus on the negative and why it is so...from his own point of view.



Not true. Control vaults (of which there were less than 20. 8 if I recall.) were not to save people. They were simply not designed to experiment on people or fail after a pre-determined period of time. They were a scientific "control" group. "Saving" them applies some mythical altruism to Vault-tech which we all know was just an enclave front. The residents of the "control" vaults were actually tortured in the most inhumane way possible. They were prisoners without bars who were brainwashed into thinking their captors were their saviors. There were indeed "vaults" designed to save their inhabitants...none of them had numbers or were part of Vault-Tech's experiments...but they existed and still do. Vault-Tech records show that only a "small" number of facilities were actually created officially but uncounted hordes of "vaults" were created by them in "private". These undocumented "vaults" were undoubtedly the safe houses and bunkers of high-up enclave/Vault-Tech members. It is these undisclosed "vaults" which will in time become the focus of one of the games. It is easy to imagine a story in which a previously fully functioning and happy experimental "vault" (whose original experiment was abandoned by the original overseer because he/she realized that Vault-Tech and the rest of the world were gone) will discover a hatch under the concrete floor of a little used storage room that leads into an access tunnel of one these hidden and now abandoned vaults. Therein the "vault" residents will discover that they are in fact test subjects leading them to desire to leave their previously safe home en mass.