But that does not change the fact that it is an RPG. Please, stop trying to desperately lay claim to an entire genre because you're so nostalgic for the way things used to be made. The discussion has been had by the tabletopers ever since Daggerfall to Morrowind and by the Fallout purists ever since Fallout 3. The discussion has not changed and the rebuttal has not changed and ultimately the masses opinion on the games in general have not changed.

Yes, the RPG numbers meta has been streamlined and a lot of it has been stored under the hood. You are free to not like that decision. Even I am partial to seeing more stats and numbers and all that jazz, but I realize what makes something a "role playing game" is not just statistics or text dialogue.

Fallout 4 is a game where you create your own character, assign points into certain attributes, level up those attributes or choose perks that flesh out the characters abilities, do quests and explore, and make choices to do with the overarching narrative of the story. You may say that you don't like the levelling system. Okay. You may say that you don't like the choices or lack thereof in the game. Okay. You may say that you don't like the dialogue. Okay. But please for the sake of your own integrity, stop saying the game is not an RPG. You sound like a jaded old white dude saying rap isn't music because he doesn't like/understand it.

Great. Another thread about what an RPG is. Just what we wanted. Surely it is an RPG. A worse rpg than its predecessors. I don't even think anyone said it wasn't an RPG, just a bad RPG. How about focusing to what changed in the fallout series instead?

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I don't think anyone has said it's not an RPG. Lots have said it's a bad RPG but no one has said it's not an RPG. It's RPG lite and that's fine, but don't try to big it up to something it's not.

Its an open world FPS with leveling and perks to me where I skip through the talking and get to the shooting, my X button is getting warn out from it on my PS4

Huh. Thats exactly what makes an rpg o:

Please, tell us more about how you're right and others are wrong? And thanks for the 153rd thread on this topic, much needed!

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he just describe a Action/rpg game

Than I guess it is as much as Just Cause is.

I think it's improved the RPG side from Fallout 3.

New Vegas was different. Some things were better, some not as good. And yes I do mean for role playing.

You don't level up in JC lol

No really, i wont explain and ppl have explain OVER AND OVER AND OVER, why Fallout 4 isnt like JC.

This post is becoming old. Is easy guys IF u dont like how Fallout 4 is as RPG, dont complain just dont buy the game or dont play it and go play Witcher 3 ( and for the stuff i reading Witcher 3 isnt a RPG on the eyes of many) or Wasteland 2.

If you can't choose, there's no roleplay possibilities, and so no RPG.

But Fallout is, an RPG, just a bad one.

Actually what I don't understand is that the best written quest of the game is such a minor one (the one just after meeting carla near the begining of the game).

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Your right, you get to steal helicopters and jets, glide through the air, and car surf in Just Cause, its too cool to be an RPG.
And the name is great, "why did you blow up that helicopter?" "Just cause"

Great, another thread made by someone that doesn't even get the point of all the negativity. Just what we wanted.

well isnt fair to said that. I get your negativity, but i dont understand it. Why bc for me Fo3 and Fo4 and totally different games that Fo1 and Fo2.

Is like comparing Fo1 and Fo2 to Fo Tactis or Bortherhood.

There are RPGs and there are RPGs. You can call Diablo an RPG (sice it is an aRPG), but that doesn't make it of the same "RPG-value" as something like Planescape: Torment.

Also OP, please...

desperately, nostalgic, things used to be made, tabletopers, purists, your own character... BINGO!

And rap is actually an excellent comparison. Primitive music counting on the lowest common denominator, simplicity, power fantasy, et cetera.

And lastly, nobody is saying Fallout 4 is not an RPG. A lot of people are just saying it's a rubbish game in terms of RPG, utter trash in terms of Fallout (please keep your "Bethesda owns is so Bethesda says what's Fallout" nonsense to yourself, Fallout was there before Bethesda snatched it from Troika), and decent open-world exploration FPS.

Is call of duty an rpg too???

Again, no one is saying it's not an rpg. They're saying it's a bad rpg.

Of course that's subjective, but this thread is still built upon a misunderstanding: very few people are saying Fallout 4 is not an rpg. People just don't like the game, and that's perfectly fine.

just look the post below ur and u will understand where the OP is cumming from.

Plus calling Fallout 4 no a Fallout game that is utter garbage. Im sorry a game set on the same lore is part of the whole Fallout universe. IF NOT WoW would be a Warcraft game.

No no, that's exactly what he said. That it isn't an RPG. So...

That's not what he said. He was comparing one game with rpg elements to another with rpg elements. Regardless, the general point of this thread doesn't make sense to me. There are not large amounts of people claiming the Fallout 4 is not an rpg. Most people criticizing the game are saying it's a bad rpg.

This thread is calling out a problem that doesn't exist.

Reread his original post please >.> he said it's an open world FPS with leveling and perks. He said it's not an RPG. Don't insult my comprehension.

The post below mine supports what I said. Fallout 4 is about as much "Fallout" as Fallout: Tactics is. As you correctly pointed out, it shares the universe and some of the lore.

And please use English when you're talking to me, I'm not going to attempt to decrypt something like that again.

I was talking to the OP, who completely missed the point of all the negativity. Nobody in their right mind would say it's not an RPG, it actually is.

It's just a really, really bad one. And that's why people are complaining.

Too bad Bethesda's been breaking lore since 2008.