Fallout 3 is for me the best Fallout post-nuclear interpretation scenario so far, it is how a Fallout should be. I am not interested in a more civilised Fallout scenario as New Vegas is, but it is undoubtedly a good game and with many factions to join, but not really the Fallout scenario for me as a post-nuclear scenario. Fallout 3 hits more of the scenario buttons for me.

As for those who say Fallout 3 is linear, that is a total distortion of description.

As for those who say Fallout 3 writing is "total-crap", that is a total distortion of description.

99.99% being non linear open-play, and finding that 0.01% bit of linearity does not make the game linear and is a total distortion to say it does and shows a complete lack of understanding. Shrug.

Finding a 0.01% bit of questionable writing does not make the game writing "total-crap" and is a total distortion to say it is and shows a complete lack of understanding. Shrug.

We can safely discard their views and carry on enjoying our game, big smile.

I still see F3 linear as crap and its writing idiotic as well. Sorry. :shrug:

I am capable of enjoying the game but I won't close my eyes and pretend it's god-send when it certianly isn't. No need to be so denial about the cons.

Yes, you do. If you aren't sneaking and (and it may be or) using a silenced weapon you absolutely do. I think the birds must be the informers. I rarely sneak, never snipe and do not use silenced weapons. I'm a whack you in the face kind of player. Especially in NV where the Unarmed is super fun. Too bad there is nothing to use it on without mods.

I also said that it was a stupid thing in the game and that FO3 had stupid things in it. Are you purposefully misreading what I wrote so that you can defend NV? Neither game is perfect. What I think FO3 did better was make the game fun for running around and shooting things and what you and others would probably call "dungeon crawling." What NV does better is the RPG thing. It would be idiotic to claim that either game is perfect.

So how about this - put the New Vegas game mechanics, faction reputation, RPG aspects, dialogue and weapons into Fallout 3, but with additional questlines to join the Enclave, Talon Mercs, Outcasts or Brotherhood of Steel. While keeping the free roaming and dynamic gameworld in F3, for those that want it.

Perfect, yes?

Hmm, let me give this considerable thought *rubs chin*

1. I'm with you on the PC character stuff and the idea that a MQ storyline should change when you change your fundamental choices in how you play it. That's how it should be.
2. Side quests: I do not like all of the fetch and carry quests in NV and prefer the ones in FO3. So I'd say, we need a lot more quality side quests and we can keep the boring fetch and carry quests for people who like them, but the writing to explain to me why I'm doing them needs to be a lot better. Why, for instance, the Courier is better suited to be doing diplomatic missions than an Ambassador is beyond me.
3. Although there is a lot more dialogue in NV and it does update after quests and that is a million times better than what was done in FO3, it is still not done well enough. I won't go through the MQ anymore because I can't stand listening to the NPCs prattle on about it. Also, almost every NPC in NV is like every other one. The excellently entertaining ones stand out because most of them are so similar. The tired, beaten down, worn out, disaffected, whatever schtick got old after three NPCs for me. I LOVE the funny interesting characters in FO3. Fine call them outlandish or whatever, but they are fun to visit. I hardly remember anyone in NV they are so similar. Even if they do have stories, all of their stories sound alike. BORING.
4. Don't get me started on the reputation stuff.

But, yes, I wanted all along, and from before the game was released, a wonderful melding of Obsidians story telling, dialogue and character development prowess with Beth's wonderful gameworld building. That was the game I wanted. If Obsidian hadn't neglected the gameworld so horrifically I'd probably be a lot happier with the game and would have forgiven a lot of what I've complained about above because it would have eclipsed FO3 for me. I hardly notice the faults in FO3. I could catalogue them for you and wave my hands in the air about how bad the dialogue is and how stupid James and the MQ are and the lack of an option to join the Enclave is and how much I hate the BOS, etc. But none of that has ever ruined the game for me. Ever. Not even once. FO3 is my favorite game because the gameworld is so extraordinary and those other problems become minor annoyances against that splendid backdrop for me.

Well, I`m still playing FO3, but just ordered The Witcher 2. that`s supposed to be tue freeform rpg gameplay and there are no really `good` or really `bad` people, just greys. This presents you with a lot of challenging decisions...

Much like real life.

Vegas can wait until a Non Steam optional version comes along.

Same here. All of it. I'm still playing F3 for exactly the same reasons.

Regarding your other comments, let me think about it for a bit. *gazes thoughtfully into the distance*

Main quest- sure, the F3 main quest is linear, and the lack of option to join the Enclave, Outcasts etc was a missed opportunity. There is no point having factions in the game if you can't join them. The NV main quest is not without fault either, though. The whole plot is driven by a giant McGuffin, known as the Platinum Chip. This allows the writers to get away with just about anything, since the Chip explains it. For example, at one point Caesar sends you under The Fort, even though there is no reason to not have one if his own, trusted, men to do it.

Dialogue- unlike the many posts here, I actually quite liked F3 dialogue. It's not stellar writing, and some lines stand out as really naff (the Three Dog line mentioned earlier is a case in point). Having said that, the dialogue in New Vegas is notably superior, but also a little overkill.

Quests- quality side quests are better than numerous fetch quests. The trouble is that New Vegas has such a static gameworld. It's a quest/faction driven game that has been created on an exploration driven engine. Therefore this results in a lot of wandering the Mojave, with little to see or do, just to complete menial tasks like delivering notes or delivering packages.

Bethesda actually.

Seen this a lot with people from the forums. I am a FO3 born player to the franchise. At first NV was a bit of a let down but then I felt I couldn't compare the two because they offer different atmospheres and appeal to different sides of my personal appeal.

Worst written line in a video game "Have you seen my father, he's the middle aged guy". And it's right at the start. So many other better lines for that like "Have you seen my father, he looks like me" have you seen my father, he's a doctor", etc, etc, etc.


That said I really like FO3, I haven't been able to get into FO:NV. But I'm going to keep trying.

Bethsquash. :tongue:

Exactly how I feel.

All our base are belong to us.

A winner is you!

It's crappy, but it's nowhere near being the worst written line in a videogame. Not even close, you spoony bards.

Actually? It is. Am I the only one that noticed that Super Mutants resemble orcs? Notice that ghouls pretty much ARE zombies? As far as spells, perks are just buff spells in rpg terms. Super Mutant Behemoths. That's my answer to your godzilla crap. It's an rpg, not real life. About half the tech in the game isn't even really possible. Radiation doesn't realy cause viable mutations that can be passed on through reproduction and it ALWAYS kills. Quit your crying. If you don't like what they do, you have a vote: don't buy it. If they fail to make money on it, then your gripes get addressed and corrected, or the company tanks for failing to fix things. Public Forums give you a voice, true, but all you're doing is whining instead of actually saying 'This, this, and this are things that I really didn't like. Here's why.' Be an advlt and stop whining like a spoiled 5 year old. It doesn't stop being annoying just because you're legally an advlt.

Oh ok, I had no idea I am not allowed to have an opinion or hate things, I guess I will just shut up and play Fallout 3 like a good sheep.

Give me one scenerio on why you would join the Enclave in fo3

They sweep in try to kill you, then the steal your parents lifes work. and your father martyrs himself to try to stop them. Also they shoot an innocent scientist, then they try to kill you some more as you are escaping.
1 scenerio on why ant sane human would want to join them. Not to mention you are not a pure human AND THEY DON T WANT YOU.
OK go............. tell me

Do you even know what Fallout is? It's an RPG, it's about all kinds of different choices.

You have choices in fo3

You didn t give a scenerio here. You just put up the usual "Fo is a rpg" Fo3 won best rpg of the year awards, so that kind of says it was an rpg.

Even if it is only a light rpg fo is what Bethesda says it is, because last I looked they own the series. Interplay screwed up and black isle went bankrupt. Do you know anything about fo?

Fallout 3 was an RPG? When did that happen? I'll admit it has some light RPG elements here and there, but that's as far as I will go.

So Fallout 3 won THE RPG of the year award? Is there one definitive game award I'm not aware about?

In Fallout 3 I was only given 1 choice. Poison water...or not poison water. That's the only matter of choice I was given in the main story.

look up fo3 on wiki it will show you a lot of the awards it won.

You also had a choice on enslave people you had a choice to blow up megaton. You had a choice to screw the chick over that you can steal the declaration of independence with. You had plenty of choices in that game you just don t want to admit it, because you couldn t force nearly every group in the game to love you.

They thought for themselves....... Enclave doesnt want you. You are not pure human. Talon comp are military merc. Men in the field don t do the hiring.

I don't care about awards. I will admit Fallout 3 was a fun video game but an absolute abomination of a Fallout game.

And I will admit I was given more choices during side-quests, but that still doesn't excuse the main story one bit.

The main difference between Fallout 3 and New Vegas really lies in how they tell their sagas.

Fallout 3 is more of a visual-real time experience of what "Fallout" really means, in that "War...war never changes."
3 is an engaging constant fight for survival in a world that emphasizes exploration...we all remember the first time we
saw an Outcast patrol roaming the wastes...how did that make us feel? That made me curious as to what horrors and
glory this world contained. The fact that there is no conclusion, that it does't end, a constant reminder that our
circumstances and this place will never be at peace because "War...war never changes," and we are the lone wanderer
beholding the glory of Liberty Prime spewing words of a dead age, an age of lies that doomed us to this post-apocalyptic
land. No there aren't a butt-load of factions to choose who you want to side with, but you can sell humans into slavery,
work with conspirators to Nuke a settlement, or courageously kill every last slaver because it's just the sane thing to do,
or shoot a raider's head with a rail-spike bullet onto a shelf and admire its morbid humor. The choices are fewer but
they really say about who as this wanderer is, the protector or the destroyer.

So I think Fallout 3 is ****** EPIC.
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New Vegas experience requires that you follow lore and potential cause rather than strength of visually experiencing it.
The Vegas census is concerned about the near future, not the immediate future. What happens when Paladin Harden promises
sending BoS patrols into the wastes again...oh we hear about it on the radio, but actual patrols stay in Hidden Valley. As far as
I'm concerned, if I don't see it,,,and I have indeed searched for them since they are supposed to regular patrols,he either is lying
or the radio is lying. I have also expllored every inch of the mojave wasteland, I've seen every location, every nook and crany,,,I find nothing new
to discover. In Fallout 3, I have put in 5x the amount of hours into than NV and I still find something new, the exploration never seems to end.
The lack of respawning enemies to fight is a huge problem, OK, after I've done every quest-or failed them cause of the path I chose, I'm suppose
to go to black mountain and old nuclear test site over again...wait for respawn and then go again, because those two areas seem to be the only
some-what challenging areas to fight for a level 30++ character, or I can go back to the fort after I kill Caesar and find 4 legionaries with machetes in
the whole camp respawning....I've actually made designed characters to be against the NCR, because they are the most numerous presence to give
me something to do. But after you kill most of the rangers, the challenge ends and becomes a dry normality. It makes me miss the old days of me
helping the Brotherhood thin out the numbers of the mutants in the D.C. ruins with my T-45d armor and a mini-gun.


So I think New Vegas does a terrible job for a lone-wanderer, making me chase story without showing it to me in detail to engage me in complete immersion.
The weapons are amazing, the crafting is top notch, My favorite quest in the entire game is "Come Fly with me" because it showed me what happens in the story
through the experience of my character and using my science skill to help them get closer to their destination even though I feel Jason Bright is just manipulating
them, if it makes these twisted characters more at peace, who am I to deny it from them?


New Vegas, good game....the opposite of Epic though.

fallout 3 a fight for survival. LOL that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Wit no limit of ammo for weapons like the Fat-Man its more of a one man slaughter fest through the wasteland. Finding ammo for the powerful weapons in NV is a lot harder and it makes the game much more difficult. Fallout 3 was like here is all the super OP weapons in like the first hour of the game, here is a ton of skill books so you can max all your skills by like 20, here is unlimited ammo for every gun ever. NV had more "survival in it then 3 could have ever hoped to achieve.

Lemme guess, you one of those players that plays operation anchorage in the very beginning of the game to get the T-51b, or you kill the Sheriff to get his ak-47, or some other bullshi*t like that.

You know that you can limit yourself right, if you don't like fat mens, don't use em... If you find that VATS makes the game too easy for you, use it less or don't use it.

Most of the time I use VATS just for the cinematic experience, and then I won't use it awhile. Like using a minigun in VATS looks really cool but gamewise is pointless.

I beat Fallout 3 before the DLC came out on Very Hard, its was extremely easy (and I used a mod that disabled vats so be quite), you couldn't step 5 feet without running into loot that will make you a lot of money or an unstoppable killing machine.

and as for Fallout 3's Epicness... :rofl:

Epic Post Apocalyptic Daddy Issues Simulator.



That's not going happen, so you might as well get over any issues you have with Steam, because it isn't going anywhere.