Fallout 3 one of the best games ever

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:15 am

Pretty good game, one of my favorites, but writing could use some work.

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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:08 am

My $0.02 I mostly agree with the pro FO:NV sentiment... but there is a small distinction which should be made..
1. Both games are inherently different. FO3 is made by a new studio(for the franchise) and based partly on their succes with TES... but with a different leveling system and other mechanics.. The fact they misunderstood some elements... 1) It is a commercial risk free title (ie no risk taking story wise... risquee elements from previous FO titles are still present but toned down) 2) Non of the original writers were present.
2. FO3 is an open world (!) RPG... with the emphasis on the first.
3. FO NV is more linear..... but also more of an RPG... however which doesn't abandon the open world.. (and in fact the linearity can be avoided as was mentioned by others)
4. However New Vegas should also been seen as an evolution.. People who understood the world ... thaught Bethesda how to use the formula..

As far as the different opinions go....
Let's use movies as a metaphor...
1. The Godfather III: On its own it is a well told mob movie... however compared to parts I and II it pales in comparison... However... from a 90's perspective.. it is faster... has better art design etc..etc.
2. Batman and the Dark knight... both movies are depicting the same hero, the same city but both are nowhere near the same.. Yet one might like Burtons vision while others will like Nolans vision..

In other words... as a new products it was done very well... and on its own it is a brilliant post apocalyptic open world RPG/ FPS hybrid.. however... it, according to fans it pales in comparison to previous titles in the franchise.. New Vegas is seen by many of those fans as a game using the (very well done) design of FO3 and bringing it more in line with previous titles...
Well said and people don't consider this enough it is in fact a different studio with a different vision yet "the dinosuars [censored] hate that term " are expecting to much of the old in wich is ALMOST a reboot to the series.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:35 am

I persoanlly prefer fallout 3 to new vegas. Ive modded fallout 3 to have all the things vegas has, iron sights etc. And do prefer fallout 3 even if it is more linear than vegas. I just love fallout 3's setting and the atmosphere it has. Ive got about 400 hours into fallout 3 and am still playing now but only have 32hrs in vegas, that was all i could take of it in all honesty.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:06 pm

I am not saying you aren't a true Fallout Fan. I am not trying to be hostile or offend you.
Okay, sorry if I overreacted, I was a bit sleep-deprived and misunderstood your point.

IMO a true RPG is one where you can make your own character, skills traits, backstory, six ect ect ect. Then putting that character into a world were you have many options in which to play the game, do the quests and role play that character. Different story paths, different out comes to quests and so on.

Fallout 3 lets us make half our character, the other half is pre-made. But what really makes it a none-RPG to me is the game writing which we both agree was poor. The game is good vs evil and we are forced to be good. Can't join the bad guys. It gets compounded because no matter what we are an 19 year old kid from Vault 101 and Daddy is a very important man.

I really didn't enjoy Fallout 3 (as a Fallout game) because it severly limits Role Playing, both the poor writing and the fact our character is already half made.

I don't want Fallout 4 to do that. I don't want them to say "You are a BoS Knight and you're mission is this and you are doing this because this happened." That is way to much. No matter what I will always be a BoS knight.

I want Fallout 4 to be like Fallout, Fallout 2 and New Vegas. Where it only gives us a title "Vault Dweller" "Chosen One" "Courier" and that is it. No damn back story about how old I am, who my parents are. Give me a title and a quest. Then put me in a game world where I can join or at least help every faction in the wasteland. Give me many ways to do the main quest line, give multiple ways to finish the quests. Don't give me "You are the good guy, now go out and kill the bad guy" crap.
Right, I think that we can agree that Fallout 3 was not a good Fallout game and not how future games in the series should be like. All I'm saying is that the "Fallout way" is not the only way that a good CRPG can be made. You're welcome to disagree of course, but I don't think there's any point in continuing this argument as neither of us will probably convince the other :P.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:27 am

A few posts have gone away. Discussing other member's opinions is OK whether you agree or disagree with them, attacking other members for their opinions is not.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:09 pm

It′s a good game no doubt. I just wish they had dev′d it to the PC alongside the consoles. PC gamers don′t need auto aim.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:26 pm

Fallout 3 one of the best games ever made? In terms of being a Fallout game? Not even close. As a video game? New Vegas surpassed it objectively.


I have played all of the fallout games in the series and I still like Fallout: 3 the most, NV just didn't have the apocalyptic feel to it.

I actually have some severe doubts you played all of the games in the series. At least more than 5 minutes.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:55 am

I actually have some severe doubts you played all of the games in the series. At least more than 5 minutes.
Thats his opinion. Dont try to damage it by attacking him with accusations you may have.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:43 pm

Fallout 3 one of the best games ever made? In terms of being a Fallout game? Not even close. As a video game? New Vegas surpassed it objectively.
An individual's preferences in games isn't objective, but subjective.

Be respectful and nice towards eachothers opinions :nono:
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:57 pm

Both games (FO:NV and FO3) although both fun, neither have a spot in my top 5 (Not even my top 10) but they are fun.

FO:NV is better, yes.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:10 pm

Thats his opinion. Dont try to damage it by attacking him with accusations you may have.


Attacking? Sheesh, I'm not even gonna reply to such utter nonsense.

An individual's preferences in games isn't objective, but subjective.

Oh, I'm fully aware of the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, but Fallout New Vegas is objectively a better video game than Fallout 3.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:42 pm

If Fallout 3 didn't have the bug issues then maybe but I'd have to say no. Especially when compared to New Vegas, outside of New Vegas's open world and random scaling, New Vegas is the better game.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:18 pm

Fallout New Vegas is objectively a better video game than Fallout 3.
Repeating that line over and over doesn't magically make it true.

And so far you have done nothing to prove this, you only been expressing your subjective opinion in a very arrogant holier-than-thou kind of way.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:17 am


Oh, I'm fully aware of the difference between objectivity and subjectivity, but Fallout New Vegas is objectively a better video game than Fallout 3.

Challenge: Throw some undeniable facts at us then..., let's see if they can be countered... Fact free opinionating is not helping anyone... (and being an ass about it even less)
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:59 pm

Challenge: Throw some undeniable facts at us then..., let's see if they can be countered... Fact free opinionating is not helping anyone... (and being an ass about it even less)

Like I have anything to prove to someone who throws personal insults at me.

Repeating that line over and over doesn't magically make it true.

And I suppose repeating that somehow makes me wrong? Cute.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:03 am

Yes much better than NV....
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:02 am

If Fallout 3 didn't have the bug issues then maybe but I'd have to say no. Especially when compared to New Vegas, outside of New Vegas's open world and random scaling, New Vegas is the better game.

I've encountered no bug issues in Fallout 3, only issue is with the frame rate once in a while, worse on NV... Plus for some reason NV is missing something... I own NV and never play it, I started a new game on Fallout 3 after I got bored with NV which I only started playing to wait for Beth to patch Skyrim, still waiting... But anyways I was instantly svcked into Fallout 3, unlike NV....
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:51 pm

Temporarily closed as I need to check out some of the posts in this thread.

Edit: I am going to leave it closed, two moderators intervened earlier in this thread with advice, it seems it was ignored.
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