I'm curious how the community would respond to a release of the original games with updated graphics. That could include improved animations, a larger number of sprites so NPC's are more differentiated, updated audio (?), improved graphics in general, etcetera... and the release could include Fallout:Tactics, as well as the first two titles.

Thoughts?

They are fine the way they are. People have been making mods and such as well as patches to make them run better. Not sure how they could be improved upon more without a complete overhaul on a new gaming engine and Bethesda isn't going to put the time and money into that. I wouldn't want them to even if they were interested.

Even if something is fine, there's nothing wrong with improving it, right? I might be fine with drinking some water but I would welcome cleaner water. And my question was less "Do you think Bethesda should or will do this?" and more "How would people like this regardless of the unlikelihood of it being made?".

HD remakes are nice, but they aren't enough to merit a second purchase IMO.

I would love it for the new consoles but they would have to dump the turn base and replace it with VATS. It would also have to be up to the FO3 lvl of graphics and open world play.

Old turn based PC games just bore me to death.

What? Seriously? You want the turn based system the 3 classic old Fallout video games have to be removed? No thanks I really hope ZeniMax Media Inc. and Bethesda Softworks leave these 3 classic old Fallout video games the way they are. No adding VATS. That will ruin the 3 classic old Fallout video games. No adding the open world feature either.

I would be very sad if ZeniMax Media Inc. and Bethesda Softworks did this.

That would completely ruin the games.

That would ruin them completely. Also, VATS is Bethesda's crappy attempt to shoehorn turn-based gameplay into Fallout 3.

I think Bethesda should leave them alone. They did enough damage to Fallout 3, and will probably censor a lot of the stuff (Fallout 2 in particular)

I dont' think an HD remake could hurt. I doubt I'd purchase it but if they did what those guys did with baldur's gate I bet they could make a bit of money. Upgrade the textures, make it widescreen, put it on tablets. I don't see how it could do any harm.

The games are already improved and keep be improved already.

You have access to Mash high-res patch for the original trilogy on steam. There are Fo2 Restoration Project and Fo1 FIXT easily found on the internet to improve them even more. There is a currently in progress re-develloppement of Fallout 1 on Fallout 2 engine by some modders.

Currently, there is the ongoing Van Buren mod that is pushing the limits of the Fonline engine, created in 2008 or 2009.

If the improvements are impressing enough, it might motivate other modders to redo the classics game on the Fonline engine, that add many possibilities while still being faithfull to the originals.

There are also ongoing mods to put stories of Fo1-Fo2 into FoNV but i fear they would go far too further from what those games were. I am not sure that the gamebryo could manage isometric view, turn-based, map travel, mouse based control etc, not mentioning the risk of crash if there is a much npc as in the original games. I am not sure how gamebryo handle sprite based characters and hex grids. That might lead to very disapointing result and there weren't meant for a so limited engine.

They might entirelly scrap some essential feature, which would render pointless the whole thing.

The one I've seen a while back (don't remember the title) looks like there's a lot of skill and effort put it it, but it also looks like an awful mess in what it tries to do.

As I've said before I'd fully endorse a hd remake if they where on console as well with trophies etc.

The fallout series would incur a slew of new fans who appreciate and understand the origins of the series.I'd personally love to see FONV get a graphical and performance upgrade and put on next gen systems as well, so many people give the same story of getting halfway through the game and giving up due to performance issues.

Bugs and performance have marred what is a masterpiece imo and have stopped so many people from experiencing it and even to the extent Fallout new vegas has a significantly lower metacritic than Fallout 3 (I don't care about metacritic but people do and Bethesda did when Obsidian worked on fonv).

But with an improved version of Fallout New Vegas i think it could finally attain the acclaim it deserves

An HD remake for consoles would be great. Simply porting it to mobile (Android/iOS) would be great too. I would love to be able to play the originals on the go compared to having to be anchored somewhere. A port to mobile would 100% be possible as well since smart phones nowadays exceed the original system requirements multiple times over.

a fallout enhanced edition would be pretty cool, i recently played baulder's gate ee and probably wouldn't have if it wasn't enhanced. Of course the orginals are just fine, but installing the mods to make them "playable" on modern machines can turn people off of them.

If i am not wrong, that professionnal enhanced edition is less enhanced that the modders enhanced edition...

Better pay the modders and make the mod official dlc.

It could not be an improvement ~the politics of the business are changed, and (additionally) it probably would not be seen as profitable to re-work the entire game's graphics in 2d, nor rebuild the entire game from scratch in 3D.

That would completely ruin the games.

Most especially so.

In this case... It would be like remaking Arena or Daggerfall ~ and replacing its mechanics with Fallout's

That is a terrible idea that would absolutely tarnish the original Fallout games just to cater to the likes of you.

The original games are fine the way they are. If one seeks to improve their own personal experience, they have mods available to them.

The Fallout series should never have changed to cater to anyone; expand and made to exploit modern hardware ~sure, but to flip-flop on genre and gameplay itself... no, that was not very nice. Not at all.

Gamebryo has been used in Civilization and Sid Meier's Pirates (has turn based land battles to attack cities with a grid). Unfortunately we don't have access to the developer tools to add that stuff into Bethesda's iteration of it.

I'm still hoping if/when Obsidian gets another try at a Fallout spinoff, they are allowed to make it turn based.

Gamebryo has been used in Civilization and Sid Meier's Pirates (has turn based land battles to attack cities with a grid). Unfortunately we don't have access to the developer tools to add that stuff into Bethesda's iteration of it.

I think it's possible, but not as easy without the engine source. Remember that one modder scripted decapitation into Oblivion.

Gamebryo has been used in racing games and RTS games also. As for Isometric [3D]... with careful mapping I think one could manage this:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj125/Gizmojunk/more-FO3-ish-IMO.jpg

I was playing around with it and it seemed pretty serviceable as shipped.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wf_2V7wLkI

Oh I see so It's OK for PC modders to change everything around and that's alright but to suggest Bethesda do it the right way and add consoles is all screwed up.

You PCer are talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Modding outisde of PC isn't up to Bethesda. That's up to the people who make none PC platforms and they say no.

What modders do isn't official. What Bethesda does is the official story. Modding is fan fiction based on an existing series. Bethesda creates the series.

And I am not saying change the story I'm suggesting they update how the game is played and open it to console players.

You PC turnbased gamers don't have to buy it. You can keep playing just like you do now.

There are mods to make Fallout and Fallout 2 play without turn based. If you want them on consoles... that isn't really up to Bethesda and even if it was I am pretty sure their response to that would be no.

If you want to play Fallout and Fallout 2 without turnbased just get a computer made in the last 20 years or so and get a mod to remove turn based if TB isn't your thing.

Fallout Tactics already has an option to play without turnbased and I suggest highly to play Tactics without it.

Bethesda got the orginal Fallouts back on Steam with updated patches and such and all. That's the best we can hope for when it comes to getting the orginals now. Well that and if they start selling them on other sites like Good Old Games.

I guess I don't understand this. Does Bethesda or ZeniMax Media own all rights to the Fallout and Fallout 2 code?

If they do why couldn't they re tell the story with modern gaming methods coded for consoles?