Thanks Summer. Nice to see you are still here! (it's been a while for me).

I expect to be blown away. They are going to show some amazing stuff which will get people talking.

What we won't see is answers to most peoples questions regarding SPECIAL and the whole 'streamlining" thing. This will come later.

I know a lot of people like to put the hate on FO3, but I still love that game. In fact the new trailer got me playing it again.

I'm hoping FO4, is built off FO3, with a few additions from NV (weapon modding for one). Of cause it will have to use new tech to give use something more interactive, with an improved AI.

Even if it is disappointing I will most likely still enjoy it. I just love the world of Fallout to much not to buy it...

Why would they not address SPECIAL?

I'm going to be in attendance. That mere fact alone has my mind blown.

:-)

I'm glad the presentation tomorrow is at 7PM PST. I have something else going on during the day so I will be home just in time for this

It's gonna be on Monday for me, Monday 3 AM, not gonna stay up just to watch that [censored]. I'm just gonna check at the morning how terrible it all was and prolly spend some time watching the [censored]storm on these forums, NMA, RPGCodex. In particular I'm interested in the voiced protagonist and how CoD-like the gameplay is.

Watching a [censored]storm happen on NMA and RPGCodex is like playing a post-apocalyptic game set in Detroit....... could you even tell the difference?

I have low expectations and already get the feeling it won't ever be as good as previous games, but I don't doubt it will be a solid game at the very least.

You know when you have that opinion, I think it's time to just walk away from this game.

Dang... Man. Ill call that a harsh reality haha!

Personally the more we learn/speculate about Fallout 4 the more I realize just how special Fallout: New Vegas was.

As I've said before, Fallout 4 is a crossroads in the series, between trying to restore some of Fallout's ethos and identity or turning the series into ostensibly TES.There's a palpable fear that Fallout: New Vegas was the last game that was both an awesome game and an awesome Fallout game.

28 HOURS TO GO I'M SO EXCITED I CAN'T EVEN

Yeah if they go back on New Vegas for a more TES experience that just means it's time for me to give up Bethesda games. I love Fallout, but I won't support a company and especially not developers that would do such a thing to the fans of an IP in order to make some milk money.

This is definitely the point where Fallout is at a fork in the road which will determine which path the series will take.

I fully Expect E-3 to be the usual Train wreck of ruined expectations hopes and dreams from the Fans who somehow expect things far greater and completely different than what there favorite game developers have ever developed before, because some people still don't realize that E-3 is mostly another forum for companies Konami to lie to you.

and yes I heard about the accidental leak....

I am pretty stoked as well

At least work in the morning will make time go by faster so I will be home before this starts.

Should have this on Saturday not Sunday. Too long of a wait.

well then yesterday would have been too long of a wait, I think they wanted monday mornings newswall to have nothing but FALLOUT and THE OTHER LEAKED GAME WHICH IS NOT REMOTELY ABOUT FALLOUT

For some of us it was a mike drop moment that was leaked.

for others not so mutch

I expect they will want to make a fuss about their "new AI" and "improved radiant like quest system". Plus the graphics and size of the game.

Going into detail about character creation and stats doesn't sell games to anyone but us people who are already highly likely to buy it.

I'll be very happy to have them prove me wrong though!

I hope by improved, you actually mean it's (radiant quests) complete removal. It was one of Skyrim's biggest failures, we really don't need to repeat that mistake.

Personally, I don't really have high hopes for E3, I don't expect a train wreck either. In all reality, it most likely will be hailed as a huge success, and then the Bethesda Hype Machine will be at full steam again...unfortunately.

As I've explained before, FONV was not very good at all either as an RPG or as a post-apocalytpic story/world. Funny how some people think it's great and state supposed flaws in FO3 when it was actually FONV that had those stated flaws, not FO3.

It seems to be the difference between people wanting great writing for the world and context (FO3) while others want to simply follow written quests (FONV). The former is Bethesda's specialty while the latter is something they include simply as an excuse to get players to explore their worlds.

As long as they show that playing a variety of characters and particularly an energy-, tech-focused and ranged characters is viable (with the stress on character abilities determining outcomes rather than player "twitch" gameplay, thus keeping the RPG elements), I'll be fine with FO4. Unless they choose to reduce the RPG elements and actually market it as an action game rather than an RPG, of course, but I don't think that's likely.

At the very least, BGS is now able to ignore needing to reboot the series from its failed origins (yes, the original company went bankrupt so it failed from a business viewpoint) so they can focus on creating lore for the east coast settings without worrying much about catering to lore and events that originally took place solely on the west coast. They can move forward rather than wasting time looking backwards, and they now have enough of a customer base to not worry overtly about the fans of the originals. Assuming they maintain the RPG elements (and preferably strengthen them, not the action elements), everything should be great.

This is what I will be looking for, at least.

One thing to take into consideration is that Todd Howard is a liar. Before each game, he tells us all a bunch of lies and exaggerated truths. It's my biggest problem with this; we won't know what's completely made up and what's true. No matter what's said, we won't know what the game is truly like until release. Yes, most developers exaggerate, but last time I remember being to,d that we could burn down buildings and it'd affect the economy.

Oh wait, you were being serious? I guess it's just a difference of perspective, but I've noticed even die hard Bethesda fans criticize Bethesda for their poor writing and lack of consequences and choices. I don't understand how the game that's reminiscent of the original design is the failure at presenting the original design. It's kind of an oxymoron if you ask me.

Again, Black Isle and Interplay didn't go under because of Fallout. In fact, Fallout was an incredibly successful IP and even won awards. Hell why would Bethesda buy it if it was such a failure?

Those companies went under because of the incredibly poor management of the higher-ups and to think otherwise is asinine.

Bethesda's best at world building and creating the right atmosphere. I was much happier exploring DC than Vegas. And creating a big world doesn't mean I like it more. Something about Bethesda's games makes you want to explore. If Fallout 4 has that, I'm sold; even if it has a lack of good writing and depth.

1 Please elaborate as to how FONV was not only not a very good RPG nor a a very good apocalyptic story.Also if you're looking for conventional post-apocalyptic story tropes Fallout isn't the series for you.When I inveigh about Fallout 3's writing/cohesion it's for such reasons as D.C having no agriculture and yet seemingly thriving wildlife, it's for having a mainstory that is a flagrant copy of the first 2 games that is awfully executed, it's for the fatuous settlements built around a nuclear bomb, a settlement of children living in a cave with nothing to eat but wall fungus, of a wasteland that has more plastic surgeons than farmers...
Please tell my where these risible failures can be seen in FONV?

2 How am I supposed to infer your argument from the word "context" in a parenthesis?Are you saying that Fallout 3 has context but FONV doesn't?

3 Sales have never been indicative of quality, if it was Call of Duty games would be GOTY every year and undeniably so...
Sales are a reflection of cupidity not quality, if it was quality then COD would be an objectively better series than TES and Fallout combined...