Ok, I understand I've just made one just like this, But this is more "Advanced" and has more or different options to choose from.
And for the last question as "Final Showdown"... Everybody from New Vegas V.s. Everybody from The Capitol Wasteland.
The courier and Lonewanderer included!
And when you make you choices... Leave a comment(s) about why you chose them!
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:gun: :bonk:

In the "most defense in a city/town", you forgot New Vegas Strip.
On the "Ultimate Factions", you forgot Enclave (Fallout 3)
And, BoS from Fallout 3 would win because, of the one and only: Liberty Prime! (If he didn't get destroyed)

Yeah, I was thinking about it... But I thought people were going to add the soldiers inside the strip and the Securitrons.
That battle is for how many and how defense ful the civilians in there are.
(Ex. Tennpenny would likley lose because without their guards, everyone just runs away.) :bolt:

In the Pitt, the slaves (without the Pitt's Raiders and Leaders) would not result to much.
Point Lookout is not a city(it used to be), the place is a swamp with a few buildings and a cathedral.
But, the strip's civilains include casino groups like Omertas, and they are better armed than most of the towns in the poll.

Why no FO1, FO2 or FOT factions and protagonists?

1. These are tough. The Lone Wanderer was pretty tough but she was a loner until late when she had Fawkes. He was a couple of companions by himself though. The Courier is tough too but maybe she's spread more thinly around the Mojave trying to ally the many factions and I haven't seen an endgame yet. For that reason, I'll go with the Lone Wanderer.

2. Another tough one. The DC BOS was tough and localized. As far as I know, the NCR is huge with large numbers and resources in California and beyond to the Mojave. If the NCR can gain focus, they'd be stronger and the ultimate.

3. I'm thinking Rivet City would be the most defensible town.

4. Both. I love both games. I only got to play FO3 once and now knowing more about the lore, I'm looking forward to playing it again down the road after a dozen or so games of FNV.

I would but I've never played 1 and 2. :sadvaultboy:

Are, you kidding, Rivet City? I killed that city with a combat shotgun! (Plus, he is talking about the civilians of the town, I think)

The slaves do have the axe-saw thing too.
and don't forget the... TROGS
:shakehead:

Okay..

1. Chosen One, he could level up more than Vault Dweller and get access to better weapons and followers as well.

2. In a hypothetical situation I'd say The Unity if Vault Dweller had not killed Master and blown up Mariposa.

3.Vault City or Shady Sands (FO2), Shady Sands because of their military and rangers and Vault City because of their walls, military force and automatic defense system and let's not forget all the ghoul krazies that surround the area.

4. Wait what? What is this, I don't even...

The Securitrons Mk. II would own the slaves with "axe-saw things" called the Auto Axe, but the Securitrons would totally pwn the trogs too.
(Well, too bad the Securitrons don't count in the poll)
But, the Omertas and WGSociety are not that bad in combat.

Yes, just the civilians. But what about "Herbert daring Dashwood"?
He's got quite and arsonal ( Sorry about my spelling )

The auto-axe! Yeah, but as soon as I finished the "Pitt" quests..I got the hell outta there. I was only lvl 11 when I went their and was still pretty new to Fallout at the time.

One person with a shotgun and no armor would get pwned by the Omertas with their 44 magnums and also no armor. The WGSociety would have their little Dress Canes that could get pwned by a combat knife in melee combat.

well since the better thread got closed by Rohugh >:| right as I was about to reply, I'll post it here.


New California Republic
-Winner. It's obvious; they have an obscenely large amount of manpower they can throw anywhere, and TBH, IRL, defensive positions on the Dam manned with lines of soldiers firing M-16's would definitely beat the Legion. IDC how much armor you have on, with that many guys putting fire down on you, you don't have a chance to hit them with a sword. So their main strengths are: huge army, elite ranger snipers (to take out officers), guns, and probably some knowledge of tactics.


Boomers
-Runner-up. Just because they have a freakin B-52 and enormous amounts of firepower, they could definitely blow pretty much everyone else to pieces. Not sure if they are tactically sound, but with Howitzers and buttloads of Rocket Launchers (AND A B52!!!), they could take on NCR and win, for a while at least. Maybe in a battle they would win, but ultimately, NCR would be able to defeat them due to ammo shortages for the Boomers, as well as, again, enormous amounts of NCR troops. They'd take extreme losses though.


Brotherhood of Steel
-3rd Place. Only because they have Power Armor and lots of really nice weapons (Gauss Rifle, Gatling Laser, Minigun, etc.). They have a great defensive position, and enemies can easily be bottlenecked in many places. Great at tactics, the biggest reason they would lose is, again, lack of numbers against the NCR. Plus Boomers would destroy them with Howitzers before they could spool up the Gatling Laser.


Caesar's Legion
-After BoS. From what I can tell, and only having 86 tribes (with an undetermined amount of people per tribe, meaning numbers can be anywhere from a few thousand to tens of thousands), fairly large, but primitive, and not large enough to beat NCR. Some do use guns, but I think the biggest I've seen is like a Caravan Gun or a 10mm SMG. Mainly the fact that they're biggest offensive and defensive measure is "charge" and the fact that they only use swords (Ballistic Fists could do some pretty nice damage) puts them under the big gun-users.


Great Khans
-They would do aight. I don't know if they have alot or not many people, because the game shows them with only a medium sized camp with few people in it. They could probably use drugs to get the Fiends on their side, but even together they don't stand much of a chance against the serious factions. I don't know as much as I'd like to about the Khans admittedly; the only thing I know is I barely saw anyone at their camp, no explosives were used against me, and most of the guns I saw were 12.7mm pistols, which, while good at close range, would be outmatched by the Legion's numbers and melee skill. Everyone else can pick 'em off I suppose. While I wouldn't want to lead a charge straight into the Khan's camp, I think tactically I could beat them fairly easily.


Powder Gangers
-Not a real threat. Dynamite is pretty nice, but NCR, Boomers, and BoS cold knock em out easy from long range. Probably would make good suicide bombers, but the fact that they have little cohesion and no common identity means that they have low morale and will easily crumble. Plus they have a very small amount of people, with no reinforcements or supplies coming in. L-O-G-I-S-T-I-C-S


The Kings
-Even less of a threat (maybe on-par) than the Powder Gangers. They are a fairly large gang, but again, they cannot contend with not only the numbers of CL, NCR, etc. but they also cannot really field anything better than 10mm pistols. I think if they got their hands on explosives they could probably set some nice traps, but they don't seem to be incredibly smart. I would expect heavy resistance by the Kings, despite their small numbers. Ultimately though, they wear no armor, have no heavy guns or explosives, and wield almost exclusively switchblades and pistols.



That's my anolysis of New Vegas factions. FO3 guys are all too small in number to pose any real threat to NCR, the Boomers, or Caesars Legion. The NV BoS would lose out to Enclave and DC BoS only because of greater numbers (and possibly better tech?)




Strip is definitely very defensible, but IMO the easiest to defend position would be the Dam. Think about it; you keep some guys inside to make sure nothing happens down there, some snipers/explosives guys up on the towers overlooking the Dam, and lots of grunts behind sandbag lines pouring fire into the enemy. This would work for the gun factions. For CL, probably the Strip/Freeside. CL loves to set traps, and there's no shortage of places to do that in Vegas. Not only with explosives blocking off chokepoints, but also WWII-Japanese style, as in hiding and then charging at the right time.

I didn't take it that way...that's why I used the word "defensible" in my answer. I don't know what defense-ful means.

Well, if you are talking about soldier defense of the city then:
1. New Vegas Strip would be the best defensible city with the Securitron Mk. II that are "soldiers worthy of defense" in the Strip.
2. Rivet city would be the second best because the soldiers have pretty good guns and armor and they are pretty good in numbers.
3. Tenpenny Tower would be the third best becuase of the same reason that I said with Rivet City, they have pretty good guns, armor and numbers, just not as much.
4. Nipton, the only defense you need for that town is intimidation, when you go in that town, you see: heads on a stick, crucified people, skeletons, and Legion Flags, that is enough to scare off most prospectors.
5. Other weak towns.

I said the lone wanderer because that character has the uber-powerful stealth armor plus nukacola grenades. Also, I've maxed out that character and not my NV character yet.

It would be fun in a future fallout game to meet one of the former protagonists in retirement, rocking on his/her chair on the front porch of a house with their companion spouse.

"You know kiddo I defused a nuke and cleared out a whole town of slavers using a rolling pin and stealth armour! Get off my lawn!"

"I survived getting shot in the head once and I can do it again!"

"You know that explosion at that oil rig a few years back, that was me!"

"When I was your age I went around the wasteland with just a 10mm pistol and a vault suit, AND I LIKED IT!"

No FO1, FO2 or Tactics locations but the OP said he never played them so I gues its ok

Courier
NCR
The Strip
New Vegas

Double head shot at pointblank range whilst level one with no helmet in a cut scene?
Courier, even in game where the PC is godly in most games the LWanderer would die.
The courier lived.
He thrived.
He won.

1. The Lone Wanderer would destroy The Courier, easy.

2. I would have to say that Brotherhood of Steel or Enclave would destroy any of the other factions. Enclave has superior armor, energy weapons, and the Mobile Airforce Base, whereas BoS has superior armor, energy weapons, and Liberty Prime. Between those two, they could take out any of the other factions, hands down.

3. The town with the most defense, I would have to say, would probably be Rivet City (aircraft carrier with one entrance), Megaton (metal walls and gates), or possibly The Pitt (one way in- across a bridge, over an extremely radioactive river).

4. Capitol Wasteland would totally own Mojave. Better weaponry, better armor, Lone Wanderer, and two super weapons.

Based on what? Wanderer needed a DLC to make him stronger, NO Damage threshold



How is the armour in FO3 more superior? Last I checked I can't kill a BoS in the other games with a bb gun like I can in FO3. Enclave BoS armour is crap next to Advanded PA and Advanced PA MKII again I can kill them with a BB gun. Liberty Prime is scrap metal and was a stupid thing to start with. Entire USA pre-war army could not get it to work but yet the BoS can with nothing but old cameras and scrap metal :facepalm: HOW?! East coast Enclave and BoS would have trouble against NCR, MWBoS and Caesars Legion.



Towns like the Strip with a wall around it and army of robots and rehabilitated tribals seems more defendable then anything in FO3 then add the NCR troops to The Strips defences.

This poll lacks the stuff from the older fallouts. hmy:




So let's compare our protagonist's backstories at level 1

Lone Wanderer
-Fresh from a cushy vault
-The only experience with firearms is the BB gun and shooting at stationary targets
-no experience outside

Courier
-Probably born in the wastes
-Firearms experience. You are given a 9mm for a reason right?
-Courier must be a pretty dangerous job out in the Wasteland. Some survival skills must be required.



IMO these foes are not so imposing without damage threshold. Or 'armor' mechanics if you wish. While the BB argument is kinda exaggerated, their armor resistance is so poor that Midwest/Western BoS/NCR/Gun Runner armament would punch through it like a hot knife through butter(if we would use the F3 vs FNV game mechanics logic).
And nay, Lyon's BoS does not have superior armor. Actually quite the opposite. I've noticed that the T-51b is treated like the ultimate armor in F3. Well guess what, in the Mojave Wasteland, every third knight wears it! :celebration:
No comment on Liberty Prime though. We got a Michael Bay effect, well... we have to deal with it. :sadvaultboy:



So we got a single guard at the only entrance defending the city. In Megaton, a guard armed with an hunting rifle, sheriff with CAR and two robots. As compared to New Vegas, that has military outposts, patrols and elite combat rangers defending it, or the Boomer camp with their B-29 bomber and the Howitzers? I say if Boomers EVER paid a hostile visit to Capitol Wasteland, it would be.... just a wasteland. Dead and empty. And burned.



Better armor? I am wondering how some 'place' can own another in terms of outfitting? But so be it, let's compare the vanilla leather armor and combat/talon armor, T-45 power armor etc. to:

Reinforced Leather Armor
Reinforced Combat Armor
Reinforced Combat Armor Mark 2
NCR Combat Armor
NCR Patrol Armor
Enclave Remnants Power Armor

.....

I say if Legion, NCR, House's securitons and the Remnants(I am not saying Western BoS or Boomers so it would be fair. ) joined forces and started a crusade to the east, not even IMMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR would stop them. Steamroll baby! :toughninja:

BTW: I am not counting the DLCs, because let's be honest: they are optional, thus not a really vital part of the game. So all this laser satelite stuff shouldn't be even counted.

Still, vanilla FNV factions HAVE something like this right? Helios ONE?

Chose the Lone Wanderer because my Lone Wanderer would have beaten my Courier. He was, after all, a Robco Certified power armor wearing mutant with energy weapons that actually worked.

The ultimate faction was difficult. Chose the Enclave mostly because their vertibirds, orbital weapon system and brain controlled death claws.

Rivet City looked like the hardest to take of the options given, to me.

And, from what I've seen, the united DC forces would probably wipe out the united Mojave forces. The unholy BOS-Enclave alliance brings both Liberty Prime and the Enclaves orbital weapons system into the mix, not to mention a vertibird air force that could be used to deliver at least one functioning atom bomb from Megaton. I haven't finished NV yet though, so they may have cards up their sleeves that I'm not yet aware of even beyond General No-Bark.