Wild Wasteland perk. Keep it but make it more bizzare and with more weird and off the wall stuff. More 3xgrannies on a roll, less Aliens in wrecked ships.

There should really be a return of RPG Stats/Skills to the combat. If your gun skills are low, your going to miss, quite often. It's more realistic if you think about it.

Like this guy, 6 or more shots from 3 feet away, and he misses all of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnwnZjVeQg8

I know this will upset the shooter fans who play this game, but this is how an RPG should be. However, once your skills are up there, then your character can be like this guy

(skip ahead to 1:30)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofcnDLA3pFE

I have no beef with that. I'd like for skills to have a significant influence on your abilities. Plus I wouldn't mind a system where say the last 10 or 20 points before you hit "max" cost double or a system where you could only dump a limited number of points into each skill. That would signify that you had to work harder to hone those skills.

Some of these things should, imo, be considered and searched for possibilities from while making the game and designing the gameplay:

Short version (just bullet points) :

Long version (with more detail):

General gameplay suggestions:

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Here's some of my ideas on along which lines I would like some aspects of Fallout 4 to be made (I posted this before Fallout: New Vegas was even annouced, and several times again since then, but made some changes so I'm not just reposting the same thing over and over again). Whether or not all the following would actually work in the game, is beyond me as I'm not a game designer, but at least to me it sounds decent on paper for altering the current form of FPS gameplay.
The WALL OF TEXT:

A minimenu:

There would be a minimenusystem that would trigger various functions needed during the gameplay. Pressing (for example) the mousewheel would open a dropdown menu (somewhat similiar to Fallout 1 and Fallout 2) beside the cursor that would present commands like Enter Worldmap, Heal, Heal Other, Repair, Rest/Wait etc. If well implemented, this could potentially offer a greater gameplay diversity through bigger possibilities for direct skilluses in several situations. Available commands would be highlighted and non-available would be greyed out.


General gameplay:

The general gameplay would be quite similiar to F3 and F:NV. You roam around the wastes doing quests and exploring. But combat would be less frequent unless the player decides otherwise - in other words, you could pick some of your random fights. (Though I'd very, very much prefer it, I'm not suggesting ISO/TB gameplay, since I don't believe for a second that Beth would implement it no matter what. )

This could partly be handled through wildlife AI, which would be set less aggressive in general. An aggression stat would be implemented which would vary from species to species - from completely neutral (only defensive combat) to total aggression (hostility almost immediately). The animals would have their own immediate surroundings, or personal spaces, somewhat like in Risen and Gothic series, and partly in F:NV. Get too close and you get a warning sign from the critter giving you time to get out of their space, linger and be chased off (or be attacked, if you don't flee). The radius of the space and the time you are tolerated in it would depend on the critter.

The mainquest would be scaled to a certain degree through chaptering it (not visibly, as in presenting a loadscreen: Chapter 1: In which you slither out from the uaginal cavity and learn the first lessons of life, but through certain major events through the main quest). And after those, the game would replaces some of the lower level enemies with higher level ones in the MQ areas - defeating which (if not gettin past by other means) would require you to level up some more. Or through a nonlinear levelscalingsystem where, for example, when one starts the game at level one, the enemies in the levelscaled zones would range from 1 to 10, and after one hits somewhere between levels 12 to 15 (which ever works the best) some of the lower level creatures scale up to about level 18 to 25 (but not all, to not make the world appearing to spin around the player too much). This would offer both, challenge and sense of progression to the player, as one becomes better than the current enemies before they scale up again.

There wouldn't be any quest- or enemycompasses, but there would be (toggleable, perhaps) minimap in which you could see the living beings in immediate vicinity. Perception would determine the range in which you see things, and with a perk (with appropriate requirements - outdoorsman and perception, for example) you could tell the difference between friendly (green dot), neutral (yellow dot) and hostile (red dot) targets.

The questcompass would be replaced by mere markers on the map which would point towards a general area instead of the exact target. And with that, the quest descriptions would be more accurate.

The wrist pipboy would be scrapped and replaced by a more handheld PDI like contraption, which would offer a more userfriendly inventorysystem (something like mix of what Morrowind or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. had, for example) with less scrolling while still holding the tabs to sort items by their nature, a one page charactersheet much akin to the original games. All actions during combat but shooting and moving would cost action points (opening inventory, using items inside it, using quick keys, etc) - more on this later.

Skillcap would remain at 100, but the cost to raise them would rise as follows: 1-50 1:1, 51-75 2:1, 76-100 3:1, the point being, the better you get the more difficult it is to get even better - this would make a maxed skill equal to skillcap of 175 - and I think it'd be easier to utilize the full scale of the skill, if it caps at 100 (instead of having skills cap at 200 or 300). Also, the gaps between levels would be raised:

How it is now (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level):

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z=n+(y+150)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 350 - 550
4 - 500 - 1,050
5 - 650 - 1,700
6 - 800 - 2,500
7 - 950 - 3,450
8 - 1100 - 4,550
9 - 1250 - 5,800
10 - 1400 - 7,200
11 - 1550 - 8,750
12 - 1700 - 10,450
13 - 1850 - 12,300
14 - 2000 - 14,300
15 - 2150 - 16,450
16 - 2300 - 18,750
17 - 2450 - 21,200
18 - 2600 - 23,800
19 - 2750 - 26,550
20 - 2900 - 29,450
21 - 3050 - 32,500
22 - 3200 - 35,700
23 - 3350 - 39,050
24 - 3500 - 42,550
25 - 3650 - 46,200
26 - 3800 - 50,000
27 - 3950 - 53,950
28 - 4100 - 58,050
29 - 4250 - 62,300
30 - 4400 - 66,700

How it should be (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level) for example:

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z=n+(y+200)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 400 - 600
4 - 600 - 1,200
5 - 800 - 2,000
6 - 1000 - 3,000
7 - 1200 - 4,200
8 - 1400 - 5,600
9 - 1600 - 7,200
10 - 1800 - 9,000
11 - 2000 - 11,000
12 - 2200 - 13,200
13 - 2400 - 15,600
14 - 2600 - 18,200
15 - 2800 - 21,000
16 - 3000 - 24,000
17 - 3200 - 27,200
18 - 3400 - 30,600
19 - 3600 - 34,200
20 - 3800 - 38,000
21 - 4000 - 42,000
22 - 4200 - 46,200
23 - 4400 - 50,600
24 - 4600 - 55,200
25 - 4800 - 60,000
26 - 5000 - 65,000
27 - 5200 - 70,200
28 - 5400 - 75,400
29 - 5600 - 81,000
30 - 5800 - 86,800
31 - 6000 - 92,800
...and so on up to, say 50The formula I made may not be correct, but the point remains.

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Ok, so going by the current gameplaystyle where dicerolls no longer apply (which is a shame)... redesign the characterprogression system to better suit it (to be more responsive and give more immediate feedback to the player as s/he progresses).

At character developement every SPECIAL defaults as 5 as it is now, but there are no bonuses to add, just a possibility to rearrange the points. Increasing SPECIAL during the game, would be a special occurance like finding an implant and then someone who can install it. Traits increasing stats would offer an equal drawback in some other stat (or a general drawback). There'd be an individual perk for every stat offering a one time bonus of plus one -- as it was in the original Fallouts. And rare cases where an equippable item gives a bonus for during the time it is equipped (like how PA gives a bonus to strength). Nothing more. The point is to make the character one builds to hold throughout most of the game. And to help that there'd be hard SPECIAL requirements for certain items and activities.

Perks would be more like additional abilities that the skills do not govern straightforward (like pistolwhipping, enhancing stimpaks, increasing inventory space and/or such) but still offer the requirements for. They'd also have tiers (up to 3) to enhance said abilities when appropriate.

Skills would now have a 1-10 and some others 1-5 point scale. With each point cumulatively increasing the price of buying it. Each of these points would also hold more to it than mere nominal increases with little to no visible effect (like how it is now with the 1-100 scale). The skills would work more like thresholds opening new related abilities than random numerical values. At characterbuilding phase each skill would default to 0, but the player would have 4 free points to put in which ever skills s/he wishes with the maximum initial increase being 2.

A couple of "along the lines of" -examples of the skills and their effects:

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Guns:
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Cost : The first two - 5sp, 3rd and 4th - 10sp, 5ft and 6th - 15sp, 7th and 8th - 20, 9th and 10th - 25sp. This would equal a skillcap of 150 with the current method.
Effect: 0 p oints - You are so terrible with guns you suffer 50% damageloss and 75% of accuracy loss with any conventional firearm, plus your unholstering, holstering and reloading take much more time. Points 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10 would open "proper" usage of guns in their respective tiers of 1-5. Having lacking skill of one tier would result in 50% penalty to accuracy and 25% penalty to damage, lacking 2 or more tiers would offer similiar penalties of 75% and 50% plus decresed reloadspeed and increased probability of jamming during reload and firing regardless of weapon condition.
Points 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 would offer a 25% bonus to accuracy for the previous tier of weapons (except for 1, which would offer it to the next tier and 10 which would offer an accuracy bonus to all tiers), and similiarly with damage but with an increase of 15%.
This would make increasing the skill a paramount act, if one wishes to master it (unlike with the current system where a skill 50 - for example - is quite adequate to handle all given situations the game offers).

Energy weapons:
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Cost: 5, 5, 10, 10, 15, 15, 20, 20, 25, 25
Effect: Similiar to guns otherwise, but in place of damage increases/decreases would be heating/cooldown effects which would be harsh enough to greatly limit firing large amounts of highly powerful energy ammunition. In effect, energy weapons would be much more powerful than guns, but also much more limited in rate of fire and most of them would also, due to their light effects, hinder stealth.

Melee:
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Cost : 5, 5, 10, 10, 15, 15, 20, 20, 25, 25
Effect: Same as guns and ew with tiers, but in place of accuracy increases/decreses would be attackspeed. Lacking a tier would offer a 50% penalty for overall damage and 25% for attackspeed, lacking 2 tiers similiarly 75% and 50%. Points 3, 6 and 9 would also offer a "special move" which would be slower than normal attack, but more powerful.

Explosives:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: With explosive based weapons, refer to the guns section. 0 points, you can throw grenades and dynamite very inaccurately, that's it; 1 point - opens up the ability to create and tinker with satchelcharges and firebombs and removes penalties from grenades and regular dynamite; 2 points - landmines and their modified and custom variants enter the picture; 3 points - creation and operating with C4, semtex, and other plastic explosives and remote detonatables; 4 points - Energybased explosives (electricity, EMP, plasma, etc) explosives; 5 points - Mix and match your own cocktails with all available ingredients.

Sneak:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: With 0 points you do not sneak, you're so clumsy that going crouched wouldn't make any difference. Each point decreases the chance of detection according to circumstances (LOS distance, lighting, sound) by 15%. Also, point 1 - ability to use light armor without penalties, point 3 - ability to use medium armor with decreased penalties, point 5 - ability to use heavy armor with decreased penalties.

Speech:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: Wit h 0 points, regular default dialog (plus other skill/perk related options); with points 1-5, thesholds for related speech-check lines.

Lockpick:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: Wit h 0 points you do not pick locks, you simply have no idea how to. Each point opens up ability to open locks at respective levels. The skill also modifies the amount of time an attempt takes. Also, if a minigame is involved, which I wouldn't put there, each tier increases the durability of the lockpick when attempting current or previous tiers.

Barter:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: 0 points - 20% selling value, 200% buying value; 1 point - 40% selling value, 175% buying value; 2 points - 60% selling value, 150% buying value; 3 points - 80% selling value, 125% buying value; 4 points - 100% selling value, 100% buying value; 5 points - 120% selling value, 75% buying value.

Science:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: Hacking abilities similiar to lockpicking. Also handling the modding requirements for energy weapons. Thresholds for various skilluses outside of inventoryitems.

Repair:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: 0 points - you do not repair anything by yourself, Point 1 - Repair light armor to top condition, medium armor to 50% CND, and heavy armor to 25%, Point 3 - Repair medium armor to top condition, medium armor to 75% and heavy armor to 50%, Point 5 - Repair all armors to top condition. Handles various crafting requirements and modding reqs for Guns category of weapons. Thresholds for various skilluses outside of inventoryitems.

Medical:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: 0 points - you can use stimpaks but they only heal 50% of their potential, and after 5 in a row, you suffer double the overdoespenalty. Point 1 - Ability to heal 30 HP manually when no hostiles are around, and with a cooldown time for use. Intoxication meter allows for 5 stimpaks in a row without overdosing. Point 2 - Manual healing cooldown time decreased for 25%. 7 stimpaks without penalties. Point 3 - Can use 1 superstim without a penalty. 30% chance of healing a crippled limb. Point 4 - 10 stims or 2 superstims without penalty. Cooldown time decreased additional 25%. 50% chance of healing a crippled limb. Point 5 - 75% chance at healing a crippled limb. 5 superstims or 15 stims without penalty.

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SPECIAL (outline, and not including governed skills and related bonuses):
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S - Carryweight, melee/HtH damage and attackspeed modifiers, lifting and moving heavy objects, weapon STR requirement modifiers, (+ other situational misc tasks)
P - Accuracy, vision distance, identifying consumables and their effects (in conjuction with survival skill), detecting traps, (+ other situational misc tasks)
E - Base HP, HP/level, poison-, radiation-, damage (other) resistances, sprint time, (+ other situational misc tasks)
C - Initial reaction modifiers, companion nerve, soothe (a chance of rendering humanoid enemies nonhostile for a moment -- situational) (+ other situational misc tasks)
I - Skillpoints/level, identifying objects not in the range of perception, (+ other situational misc tasks)
A - Movespeed, actionpoints, weapon handling speed, jump height and distance, (+ other situational misc tasks)
L- Luck is blind

TL;DR?:

Even still TL;DR?:

Things I'd appreciate if omitted or otherwise excluded (read: not implemented to begin with):

- Sandbox map -- the game can still be an open world (like how the first games) and support random exploration with large enough "nodes".
- Main focus on exploration -- this shouldn't be the selling point of the game, it's fine for TES, but Fallout should be set apart from that series in all ways possible.
- Too heavy focus on combat more than other styles of gameplay -- there should be more balance on how to fare with the gameworld, well made and settlement centric nodes would support this in that there'd be less empty space that needs to be filled with random combat.
- Straightforward FPS run'n gun combat - there's nothing more boring in these games than RPG combat hampered by FPS mechanics (and while this works both ways, I do not care about improving the FPS elements at the cost the RPG side).
- And stop wasting time in handplacing every sandbead in the desert. There's absolutely no need what so ever to not use procedurally generated landscapes in a wasteland that is mostly sand, rocks and rubble. Use that time to create as unique and differing focus spots as possible.
- And most importantly... less content from the Big Bag of Cool-on-paper +1 -- think before implementing, does it fit the setting, does it make sense, does it have a real purpose.
- Extraterrestials
- All that The Settlers/Sim(s) stuff like: building a house and playing home, building a city and "defending" it, forming a faction, setting up and managing a shop, farming, playerdriven marriage and romances, and all that useless and distracting fluff which is better suited for other games that use them as a the core point of gameplay.
- No multiplayer of any kind - there is a [censored] ton mp games out there for pepole who want that, there's absolutely no reason what-so-ever to have it in here.
- Excessive strive towards "realism" over statistics based gameplaymechanics and RPG feel.
- Combat music -- seriously, it just gets in the [censored] way.

I am avid shooter and it takes a lot of practice to become a skilled marksman especially under duress and i am speaking as a combat vet who has engaged in kinetic warfare. So I completely agree, I feel that the damage should not be altered other than the type of ammunition used however the players ability to effectively and accurately operate the weapon system should be affected as it is a learned process.

I agree.

Also:

Description says that he shotted 6 times, and five of them hitted the target. Pretty good accuracy actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Van_Nuys_Courthouse_Shooting

That guy did not look like he was hit with 5 bullets afterwards. He was walking and smiling.

In any event, if that lawyer had been a Raider, he still would have been battling after the clip was emptied.

At the end of the video he is being carted away on a stretcher and taken to the hospital. Says he was in no life-threatening danger, but was hit multiple times.

Anyway, the point remains the same regardless. Low level skills and starting the game will render the character horrible with a skillset. As you level up and progress through the game, you become better with said skillset, eventually becoming a fluid combat experience in which your character becomes a master of said skillset.

Well, the problem is that PCP and drugs in general have a tendency to make you rather not feel you are being shot. I believe they once plugged a purp 15-25 times with a mix of 38 and 9mm cal weapons in new york. He didnt stop swinging till he bled out basically. If you shoot someone on Jet he should actually keep commng at you for significantly longer. So perhaps you could add "Temporary hitponts" that you had to get back before the jet ran its course?

Unless you put a solid two in the chest one in the head! That should end his high pretty quick lol!

He must have been on adrenaline rush, making you feel like invincible. Yeah, if hes been raider, he could have retaliated easily with weapon.

But stress does affect on accuracy negatively.

second:

Third:

Stress will also cause deteriation in the motor skills and affects on reaction ability what can cause even freezing.

There is lots of other interesting stuff.

http://mikeleesolutions-web.sharepoint.com/Documents/Survival%20Stress%20in%20Law%20Enforcement.pdf

I dont know if weapons skills could be use in fo to also simulate stress control too, instead of just ability to handle weapons. Or it could be put into special attributes effects, maybe high endurance you could withstand these effects more easily, or used as a ideas for perks.

There should be a perk for that, where you do crazy trickshots that have a 10% chance of mind [censored] them and any enemies who witnessed it will either have their heads blow up or run away because how badass you are.

But seriously I hope they make speech a bit more viable for combat or just a lot more use of perks like lady killer, black widow etc. And some customization of weapon and armor like taking a NCR ranger patrol outfit and making it so that it no longer counts as a faction armor or changing the colors of some things would be nice

this is exactly how it should be. IMO its an RPG, MY accuracy should come from my PC's skill lvl rather than mine. Although I do think they need to fix the clunky aiming that is in use now.... it is pretty bad.

I agree with CCNA and strength should keep playing a role in how well you handle weapons. So if you have really low skills with the weapon's type and it requires say 8 STR to use well, then you shouldn't be able to hit the broadside of a barn. Like when Lisa tried to shoot an M16 and it went all over the place and people ducked for cover until the weapon ran out of ammo.

A friend of mine has one of those 50 caliber guns, not the Barret, but the other one. Any way, it's game equivalent is the AMR. There is no way that I could shoot that gun freehand (no bipod) unless I spent a couple of years in the gym. Even then, I would have serious doubts about just what I was going to hit a couple of miles away (as I miss the target). I tried to site down the scope from a standing position and could not even keep the target in view as I could barely keep the gun parallel to the ground..

The most powerful gun I have ever fired was .44 magnum and I had a hard time with it. I guess I don't have 5 STR lol.

It's pretty much why I am against the idea of dual wielding, if there is anyone who can dual wield with .44 magnums with any real effect.. well then hats off to you. I guess 50cals would be the next step up from a .44 interms of how powerful it is, not actual size. And that is just handguns. It would be even more insain with submachine guns. If it was added then your aim should be next to nothing, again taking into account the persons STR and Skills. It would pretty much just be spraying bullets in the hope you will randomly hit something.

The Critical chance you will end up shooting your foot off would be added lol. Reloading should take a very long time.

Critical chance of the weapon jamming, dropping it or it even exploding should be in the game, it was in past games.

I've never fired a .50 caliber handgun myself, but one time at the shooting range the guy in the stall next to me was shooting one, a S&W Model 500. The muzzle blast from that thing, less than five feet from my head, was uncomfortable. When he'd get ready to shoot, I'd step back from the line. Made my weapon (a SIG Sauer .40 S&W) look like a peashooter.

My brother has a .44 Magnum revolver (a Ruger Redhawk) that I have shot quite a few times. It's a big, heavy gun and is actually quite comfortable and easy to shoot. I would never try to use it one-handed, though; I wouldn't be able to hit anything much beyond arm's reach.

I did national service as a light infantryman. For those that dont know that means you haul alot of [censored]e over long distances but you're not special forces. You just haul [censored]e and dig holes (But we were motorized, in theory at least).

I helped carry the pipe of a 50cal BMG and I shot it. It delivers impressive results downrange, but its a [censored] to carry. And shooting it from the hip which I know happens in some holllywood movies would mean instant broken hips and pelvises. Its simply not possible.

Carrying the ammo for the 50 cal is no less of a choir. it weighs alot especially if you are burdened down with your usual kit.

Carrying a 50 cal fineshooter / Sniper device means you are carrying an extremly heavy load and not alot of ammo. And you rely on a partner to provide you for personal protection and target spotting.

Dual wielding 50cal or 45 cal desert eagles is next to impossible. You wont hit [censored]e.


Basically i wouldnt go above a 45 cal ACP for a personal handgun and never above a 308 NATO round for sniping / fineshooting. Especially as an amateur. But its a game.


So... whilst you and I might choose to RP our characters, most wouldnt... because its a game and carrying 5 sniper rifles, two Anti tank weapons, our own personal artillery piece and a score of handguns is "FUN" most people will demand that option.

The only handguns I ever fired one handed with out any real issue was .22 and a 9mm. I have fired a colt 45 one handed but my aim was bad so I used two hands. I was using my dominant hand which is my right hand for my attempts to shoot one handed.

If people think duel wielding would be easy.. go throw a baseball with your nondominant arm and then think what it would be like to hold and fire a gun using it.

Duel wielding only really works in the movies and shooter games and I don't want Fallout to be more shooter than RPG. As CCNA brought up, an RPG should account for skill and as I mentioned STR should play a role in how one handles a weapon as well.

Oh I get it is a game and I am not suggesting we should only be able to carry one weapon big weapon at a time. So long as they keep a hardcoe mode and weapons and ammo have weight in that mode, I will be happy.

I want to get my hands on a .50cal to at least fire it. I am sure it is legal in Canada for people to own a 50cal rifle, but ammo would be costly and where would you shoot it? I have to ask a Range Master next time I got to the shooting range.

I want to see a 50cal machine gun as we had in Fallout Tactics. A Super Mutant or other powerful person say a guy in PA with such a weapon would make for a nice fight.

Ideally id carry around a 22 suppressed ruger (integral suppressor) and a suppressed / muffeled m-14 hybrid/bullpup in 308. Im not a great shot but but Im above average and whilst I cant make long distance shots, I can certainly make shots that are one MOA from 100 yards with a decent 308 (mine was the Heckler and Koch G3,,, and I loved that rifle). I was later reschooled for the M4, but frankly I felt it was a toy compared to the G3 and the ballistics proves that whilst a 223 will be deflected by smaller objects like twigs and thin threes a 7.62 nato will punch through anything that isnt lightly armoured. And with the proper ammo, a 7.62 will punch through that too. Im not arguing that the m4 and its ballistics are not better... because its not due to hydro-shock and other considerations liek less weight etc... but for a trained unit, with a focus on markmanship, id still go for the 308/7.62.

Another thing I would like to see back. Thieves. We can pickpocket people, but why are we never pickpocketed? Such a things is possible in Fallout 2. I think it would be good if we enter a crowded area some people might bump into us and be like "sorry" or "watch it" or just say nothing at all, you think nothing of it until you check your inventory and something is missing.

Quest Items should also be able to be stolen and we should be able to drop them as well even if we haven't finished the quest. If people are worried about losing the item forever, just have what Fallout 2 had, a master thief in the area that sells all the stuff the other thieves stoll, the item taken from you will show up in there within 24 game hours and we can buy it back, talk the guy to give it back, join the guy for a discount or rat him out to someone, but that last one shouldn't stop the thieving, someone somewhere else would take over.

Maybe a quest to bring down a thieves guild working in a major settlement. But again the option to also join it, like in Fallout 2. Have more than one such operation in the wasteland.

I don't even do anything in the Den before blowing that bastards head off -.-' limits my pockets getting picked and I get some nice gear right off the bat.

That reminds me, no "hive mind" thing for Fallout 4 please. If take something of minor value, don't have the whole city attacking me. Have the option to have the person say "put that back" or "don't even think about it" or even "I hope you don't think you are going to leave without paying for that."

If we kill someone behind close doors, even if it is walking up and shooting the guy right in the face, don't have the town go nuts.

Anyways, have a return of an actual thieves guild like Loxley ran in Fallout. Sending you on a quest to break into a secure guarded home and so on. But also have low level thieving rings of pickpockets.