No, just uninformed expectations at the time. Sad indeed.

Can't make out anything from your edit (want to see what? or... What?) I guess that's my fault too. Selectively reading or something. Must be.

Ontopic again:

The best way in my opinion to approach FO4 will be without any expectations. It ruined NV nearly for me.

We did, so let's take a look at the quests then shall we?

I think speech checks or rather certain dialogue choices should remain hidden if you do not have the appropriate skill level.

I also think you should be able to lie in every conversation, and the believability of the lie which you can choose from is also based on skill. Perhaps this requires a new Deception skill, or a trait or perk Compulsive Liar or something like that. A Deception perk that works off speechskill could work, but it should be an option at level 2. Or perhaps a trait. Or just a skill. Lol.

It nearly ruined New Vegas for me too. I wasn't expecting an open world FPS; a technical/mechanical clone of Fallout 3 so soon after it. Good thing the game redeemed itself (at least partly) with other merits. However, now there is a valid cause to expect something, looking at the trackrecord of the developer. Nothing comes out as a surprise anymore but pleasantries, and the ones a Fallout fan (as opposed to Fallout 3 fan) would hope for are not exactly to be expected. These are good times to be wrong, if one is lucky,

So and now we add the alternative solutions to the not combat orientated ones and we have a clear picture (single non and combat orientated as distinctions doesn't fit the initial description which implied there are only combat orientated solutions in FO3 and differantiated ones are missing). Oh and the umarked quests aren't mentioned too (FO3 has a lot of them).

No no need to do it... but I think you get my point. It was a broad generalition that happend in the initial post as you see in your own list.

Do I agree to have a lot (at least three) different ways of solutions per quest (skill based and character build oriented) for FO4 and Bethesda has a deficite here in Skyrim and FO3? No need to ask. But it should already be known that I hate this broad generalitions about FO3.

When it comes to leveling, give us the option to not spend our skill points. Same for perks, but perks should expire by the time the next one comes along if we don't pick one.

When it comes to the number of levels: I am sure it will be really high number with more for every DLC. So I am thinking have it so after a set point, say level 30. We stop getting Hit Points and Perks, but keep getting Skill points. Could make it a trait like Logan's Loophole.

I think the options should only appear if you pass an 'under the hood' speech check, and that you should never even see them otherwise.

And I agree about the lying... but in practice, I would think it best used [available] only in dialogs where there is an obvious and/or significant reason that the PC might want to.

If the methods and resolutions do not count for anything, they are left as good ideas. One-off "hey that was pretty neat" stuff -- that isn't to say that everything needs a far reaching consequence, but some - a good few - should.

Definitely.

/Hivemind

I said that 'most' quests revolved around combat and my list shows that most quests do revolve around combat and the base game design revolves around combat in Fallout 3 and that this is not what Fallout should strive towards when it comes to quest design. I also said that Skyrim wasn't the way to go which is actually my main argument as it has even more combat oriented quests and situations than Fallout 3 has.

There is a small but still a important difference between the phrases "most" and "not everything has to come down to combat."

Possible center point buildings for Fallout 4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custom_House_Tower or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Building ? Could they both be in Fallout 4? Strangely they are only one foot in height apart.

*sigh*

My point with "not everything has to come down to combat" is; Just because you design a quest where combat is imminent doesn't mean that combat has to be inevitable. There are ways to side-step combat all together and they should explore those areas for quests that would otherwise be primarily focused on combat or putting the player in harms way.

I didn't mean "every quest has combat" when I said that.

I don't like the possibility of it being set in Boston, i really don't know why though, i guess i would rather it be set in a more exciting City like New York (imagine Skyrim with Skyscraqers instead of mountains)

I don't really think skills need to be equal in effect and use. Guns will always be more useful than social or utility skills (even if I'd wish otherwise), for example. All that is really needed is that the skill provides tangible reasons to invest in it, and rewards it adequately; so that the player can't say "useless" or "dump stat" when deciding the character build. Variable usability on regular basis (and the player need not be informed that "here you can/must use skill X" - certain things should be left at the players discretion, it is his fault if he misses an opportunity, and his success if he doesn't), that's what the skills need to accomplish their cause of existense.

I am not thrilled with a boston Fallout but i'll take it over a NY, California, Chicago, or Florida city since 90% of all video games have been there and done that in those locations ad nauseum

Rather than discussing such yet irrelevant things like traits and androids I suggest that we review the most recent signs which indicate the whole Survivor2299 thing is a hoax. For those who who don't know it yet, just look in the 166. thread.

Maybe it should be linked to your explosives skill?The higher the skill the more likely the contents will be in good condition or conversely the worse skill and the contents might be destroyed/poor condition.

I'm almost certain it is not a hoax, or if it is then Bethesda is playing along with it, but there would be no sense in that. Why would they allow someone to fire up people for nothing, and risk that later on they will be a lot less enthusiastic about FO4?

Exactly, Fallout 3 and fonv had pacifist options in a lot of situation though i'd like more.

it's almost certainly not a hoax, there is way too much evidence to prove that it is legit

Do we actually know what happened to the President and his staff? Where's the bunker located? Did they survive? etc...

I may be wrong but i am pretty sure that they were killed.

Yeah because that was a really interesting discussion.

It's already been discussed to death IMO and there is little new to talk about, so how about simply waiting for the timer to clock to 0 and see what happens?

This thread is for speculations, suggestions and ideas. So traits and androids being discussed is not irrelevant.