Fallout 4 Speculation, Suggestions and Ideas # 233

Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:33 am

This thread is so that we can keep all the discussion, rumors and speculation in one place.
This topic is for a friendly discussion of ideas and suggestions for Fallout 4.
We all have opinions about what the next game should have and should not have. Each of us has the right to express that opinion freely. There are points we agree on and points we do not agree on. This means that people are going to disagree with you on some things. Accept that and move on. No need to beat your point so far into the ground that no one wants to look at it any more.
At moderator discretion, threads about specific and distinct topics as they relate to FO4 and the rest of the Fallout series may be acceptable in the Fallout Series forum. General idea/suggestion topics for a future Fallout game will either be closed, or moved to this one.
This thread should be used to discuss items you'd like to see in a future game, gameplay tweaks, quest ideas, things you hope are not in the next game and so on. If you want to discuss major issues, use a separate topic - such as the discussion about adding multi-player or co-op play, which already has a thread. Please search first to see if there is an active/recent thread on a particular topic.

Something to note. Discussions of Child Killing is not allowed on these boards. Don't even bring it up in this thread. It won't happen in any future game from Bethesda, so there is no reason to even discuss it. If you post about this subject, you may be Warned and or Banned from the boards for doing so.

This is also not a thread to discuss current or past Fallout Games, other than to mention an aspect of the game you want to see included, or not included, in a future Fallout game.

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:48 am

In response to Jaramr from the previous thread: The time period between 2015 and Bethesda's last release (4 years) will have been the greatest since Oblivion, which came out in 2006 (4 years after morrowind). So no, Skyrim and Fallout 3 are not special in that regard.

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 7:11 am

One of the best things about the german localization is that mutfruit is called 'Falloubst' in the german version (from 'Fallobst' which means windfall). This is the kind of humor I love and like to see more of.

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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:51 pm

in Response to Jaramr. It is not unheard off for games taking longer than 4 years.

Diablo III I think was 6+ years. It would be longer if you count the time Blizzard north was working on it but Blizzard scrapped that version and started from scratch

Diablo III was announced about 4 years before being released and that made the wait even worse since back in 2008 it looked like the game was really close to be done.

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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:58 pm

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Table of Contents:


1. World
1.1. Towns
1.2. Structures
1.3. Housing
2. Player
2.1. Leveling
3. Characters
4. Companions
5. Enemies
6. Factions
7. Weapons
7.1. Unarmed
7.2. Weapon Modifications & Features
8. Aid Items
9. Armor
10. Story & Writing
10.1. Quests
11. Karma & Reputation
12. Gameplay Mechanics
12.1. Economy
12.2. Mini Games & Interact-able Items
12.3. Crime & Punishment
12.4. Combat
12.5. Stealth
13. VATS
14. Skills
14.1. S.P.E.C.I.A.L
15. Perks & Traits
16. hardcoe Mode
17. Audio
18. Visual
18.1. Player & NPCs
19. User Interface
19.1. Pip-Boy
20. AI
21. Engine
22. GECK / Modding
23. Misc







1. World:
  • If the world is large enough, include vehicles but in small numbers. If it isn't large enough, do not include them. Vehicles should also be focused on more as important tools that can be used as transport, rather than just vehicles to crash around, this is a post-apocalyptic world after all.
  • In addition to vehicles, have rideable bicycles as well that could be found way more frequently.
  • A map with different varied environments that cover different parts of the map
  • In addition to more environments, the whole map in general should contain more vegetation (way more than Fallout 3)
  • Different types of weather such as rain, snow, heavy wind, hail, dust storm, etc. along with day/night effects
  • A world the size of Skyrim's or larger; spread towns and populations out more than Fallout 3 & NV
  • More funny/creative dev easter eggs (SuperDuper Mart domino effect, perverted teddy bears, plunger room, etc.)
  • More underwater exploration with some underwater combat included
  • Better use of world space. No more large swaths of unused land (ex. Nellis AFB and Sharecropper Farms in NV)
  • For realism sake and better world design there needs to be bigger gaps between civilized and hostile zones. In the middle of the two is just the wild and the wildlife within it.
  • More emphasis on areas with very poor light. The player must navigate their way through the dark with their pipboy light (inferior as it only casts around you) or with additional lighting elements such as flashlights, torches, helmet-mounted lighting, and flares. Perhaps fixing / "powering up" the lighting systems could be an option.
  • More interactive objects that have an effect on the world (the truck above Cottonwood Cove in NV), some coming with skill checks
  • Radioactive goo/acid spills & puddles brought back from originals with the need to cross through them with boots (Fallout 2) or a radiation suit. They will frequently block off nice loot so it helps to cross them. Going through them without protection quickly erodes away at and decreases your armors condition before eventually killing you.

1.1. Towns

  • More larger settlements, similar/bigger in size to Rivet City and Megaton
  • Towns should have bigger populations
  • Each town done by a different artist like Skyrim but with a different style each time as well
  • If a town has been around for years and is a nicer place, it shouldn't be dirty/trashed
  • Towns should evolve

1.2. Structures

  • Have farms/power generation/etc and explain how settlements interact with the world
  • Make the majority of buildings accessible, less boarded up / inaccessible ones
  • Add barber shops
  • Similar to Lonesome Road DLC (NV), overturned and damaged skyscraqers can turn into caves and such and are explorable
  • If there is a sufficient amount of skyscraqers, have random collapses of dust/debris/materials from the top with some possible of killing you
  • Arena battles where you can participate, bet, or watch.
  • Make use of the rooftops
  • IF vehicles are added, add repair shops to fix your vehicle when it's damaged by gunfire, explosives, and crashes. Additionally, you can purchase repair tools for your garage to fix the vehicle on your own (the vehicles fixes would factor into your Repair skill). See garages in Section 1.3 Housing for more info

1.3. Housing

  • Be able to put different types of furniture
  • Be able to correctly place down items you have collected
  • People who you can hire to do services at your house
  • Mannequins to put your clothes/armor on
  • Weapon display walls and showcases
  • Functional bookcases
  • Be able to move all your stuff from one house to another
  • Ability to rename your containers
  • If you leave a companion at your house, they will actually seem at home. If appropriate skills are met, they can sometimes be found utilizing a crafting table, chemistry set, etc.
  • IF vehicles are added, add purchase-able garages outside of bigger towns to safely house your vehicle. This prevents it from being stolen. Additionally, free garages on old damaged pre-war houses could be used. These garages however do not make your car completely safe and Raiders as well as other people looking to steal the vehicle will break into the garage. Traps can be set to prevent intrusion. See vehicle theft quests in Section 10.1 Quests

2. Player:

  • Different body types (average, skinny, chubby, buff, etc.)
  • Scars, tattoos, freckles, birth marks, piercings, etc.
  • Makeup
  • Age and height modifier
  • Many more varied and better hairstyles, same for facial hair
  • Be able to choose a default expression
  • Age slider actually shows aging (wrinkling, liver spots, etc.)
  • Different eye brow & eye/ear shape types to choose from
  • Option for no eyebrows and/or teeth
  • Increase or decrease amount of hair on body
  • Ability to change the clothes you're wearing underneath (when you don't have any apparel equipped)
  • Be able to change the tone of the player characters grunts, yells, etc.

2.1. Leveling

  • Higher level cap than NV's 50 with the tradeoff being that perks stop at some point as well as skill points eventually leveling off as well. This happens earlier on, meaning creating a fully maxed out player should be near-impossible but being able to achieve a high level is an option for people who wish to do so.
  • An equivalent of Logan's Loophole is put in the game but rather than being a trait it is now a choice that doesn't occupy a trait space. This choice cuts down the level cap by a little more than half.

3. Characters:

  • No essential NPCs, anyone can be killed. If an important person to the story dies, a warning will be displayed. Children remain essential.
  • What you say to certain people has consequences and NPCs can be offended
  • Conversations with NPCs are deep and it pays off to listen to them
  • Local dialects and terms among people (not everyone knows to call a mutant cow a Brahmin)
  • People of the wastes should react more appropriately and not be all careless. Coming up to people in the wastes they will likely aim their guns at you and initiate a conversation (similar to Legion/NCR assassins in NV, your words will either let you move on or combat will ensue). Also if there is an issue with a town (such as the water wells of Goodsprings being overwhelmed by Geckos), people of the town should show stress and weariness.
  • A west coast super mutant or two, who have wandered over to the east coast
  • NPCs that pickpocket the player
  • More cannibals
  • Rapists
  • More wildlife
  • Different types of dogs
  • Amputee people
  • Starving people ; starved-looking people
  • Grotesque mutants
  • Some intelligent Mirelurks
  • See and/or hear about the hairy Deathclaws of Fallout Tactics

4. Companions:

  • Revamped Companion Wheel command system brought back
  • People notice your companions
  • Companions have chats and interact with each other
  • Greater diversity of animal/creature type companions
  • You can make a companion wait for only a set amount of time and then they will come back to you.
  • All companions should have depth to themselves along with stories/quests and should always be more than just personal slaves (Skyrim)
  • Companions who mirror you and will judge you on your actions based on what you do and their ideology if they have one or not
  • Special cases of companions who only respond to a player with 4 Charisma or less. Others who only respond to a player with 9CHR or higher.
  • Companions are not only limited to combat roles but can be strictly a support role
  • You can command companions to use their good skills if your skill isn't good (such as lock picking a door, disarming mines, etc.)
  • Have companions interact with the world and people around you
  • Mercenary followers that cost caps
  • When going to sleep, companions should say something to you first and then go do something while you sleep

5. Enemies:

  • Many enemies have no level scaling and the enemies with level scaling have unnoticeable scaling. Enemies with locked high levels are a must to defend areas low-level players shouldn't yet enter (so they don't obtain high-level items).
  • Disregard Fallout 3's bad leveling where e.g. regular Super Mutants all turn into Brutes and Masters, therefore creating some unknown lack of regular SMs and suddenly powerful ones all over.
  • Feral ghouls can be caught feasting on dead humans and will try to eat you too
  • Different types of Feral Ghouls meaning some that still run, some that are slower and walk, some that crawl, etc.
  • Flying enemies such as Bloatflies/Cazadores can fly higher and have the ability to latch onto surfaces (walls, ceilings, etc.)
  • Spiders
  • More Legendary-type enemies like New Vegas
  • Bring back Floaters
  • Have a Behemoth Robot from FO: Tactics somewhere in the game
  • Include Fallout 2-style Sentry Bots
  • Less emphasis on adding more enemies simply to shoot at but more emphasis on the stories behind enemies and why they are there in the first place
  • Enemies that attempt to capture you alive rather than dead, perhaps as a faction

6. Factions:

  • Unique joinable factions with unique quest lines
  • Different Raider gangs and Raiders that aren't automatically hostile
  • Factions that were in previous titles (Enclave, BoS, etc.) must match the game's location (for example NCR would be in California but not the East Coast)
  • Have the majority of factions be ones we've never seen before
  • Faction memberships have consequences
  • Many people have requested player faction/base building, if this is done then implement it into the story and not as a secondary game mechanic.

7. Weapons:

  • Re-armable traps and traps you can set
  • Thrown weapons should be able to be retrieved
  • Fatmans need to be more practical and have missions where they are strongly suggested to be used.
  • Fun weapons (think Rock-It Launcher, Railway Rifle, or MIRV)
  • A lot of weapons with much variation (working on the numbers NV brought to the table)
  • Bring back different ammo types
  • Strength requirements brought back
  • Weapon degradation needs to be slowed down or replaced with a new system
  • Crouching gives small accuracy bonus, going prone gives a big bonus, rapid fire increases recoil and hip fire increases sway. All negative stats get reduced the higher your required skill is.
  • Many more craft-able weapons
  • Bring back most weapons from the originals
  • Ability to rename weapons
  • NPCs with modded weapons
  • NEW WEAPONS: Throwable rocks, corrosive & chemical type weaponry, stun gun type weapon, a carry-able and mounted M2 Browning, a mortar, a weapon that yanks people's heads off, crossbows, recurve bows, speargun

7.1. Unarmed

  • While fighting you should do different moves than just the same punch every time
  • People can be knocked out

7.2. Weapon Modifications & Features

  • Bring back and expand on weapon mods
  • Unique weapons able to be modded as well
  • Be able to craft sticky grenades/mines and attach explosives to other weapons (such as duct taping dynamite to a spear)
  • Be able to put unique upgrades on weapons such as faster fire rates, more damage, slower degradation, etc.
  • Iron sights brought back (obviously)
  • Different levels of scopes
  • Be able to hold your breath and focus when in a scope
  • Be able to repaint weapons and customize weapons in other ways

8. Aid Items:

  • Chems have a range of different hallucinations & visual effects
  • Alcohol makes you more and more drunk and psycho will make neutrals/friendlies appear hostile
  • Ability to bottle your own water
  • Smoke able cigarettes that also have many negative effects especially in the long run
  • Less abundance of 200 year old food
  • Stealthboys can be turned on and off during use instead of being permanently on
  • Healing through sleep now works similarly to Fallout 1 & 2 (a calculated amount of time based on severity of injuries must be slept for a full recovery)
  • If chem addiction lasts for too long it begins to affect your characters physical appearance.
  • Less abundance of stimpaks compared to NV & 3, more challenging to discover
  • Canned and packaged foods can be cooked giving them better benefits

9. Armor:

  • Some armors with switchable pieces, similar to TES
  • Be able to repaint armors and customize armor in other ways
  • Many regular clothing options
  • Pre-war clothing comes in different colors rather than the same for all (e.g. red/green/blue/yellow/pink/orange sixy Sleepwear)
  • Shields and riot shields
  • Armor mods/upgrades
  • Combine DT with DR
  • Keep New Vegas system of categorizing armors as light, medium, heavy
  • Power armor helmets change your first person view as well as including a toggleable night/heat vision view
  • Holsters, ammo pouches, etc. could be added to certain armors/clothings (have no effects on stats)
  • Ability to place any duster over any armor

10. Story & Writing:

  • Good writing with no plot holes
  • Ending should have many slides showing the effect you had on towns, factions, situations, followers, people, etc.
  • Do not revolve the game's story around androids. Androids (which are AI) have been done before in Fallout 3 & Fallout Tactics (even New Vegas, as Mr. House is a talking screen outside of his container). They also are not original and have been done to death throughout media. It would simply be a rehash of something else and that would be very uninspired writing. Lastly, it opens up far too many plot holes and inconsistencies that would need to be covered in the writing. Nothing good can come from putting them in the game.
  • Bethesda, create your own new lore and don't rely on the West Coast lore of the originals too much (example: FO3 putting enclave against BOS and having super mutants everywhere for the sake of it, both of these were a far stretch for the original lore)
  • Hire better writers. The writing done on the Civil War in Skyrim (as well as The Pitt in Fallout 3) was a step in the right direction with moral greyness but still lacks proper rewards and consequences. The reward does not have to be a unique weapon (although nice), it could also be a perk taught to you by the person you helped. These are far superior rewards compared to 50 caps and some ammo.
  • There should be no clear white vs. black but simply a world full of many shades of grey
  • Ability to play a 100% pacifist playthrough
  • Very blank slate type of beginning
  • Your actions have an effect on so many things in the game world, even small actions
  • You should never be forced into helping one faction
  • Include a definitive ending; give warnings beforehand and make automatic saves before the game ends
  • Longer story than all previous Fallouts
  • Explain some lore/popular questions
  • Fallout Tactics' Barnaky ending made canon
  • More politics between humans, Super Mutants, and ghouls within big nations. The reason being after many decades, they should be more blended. However despite this blend, some racial issues will continue to remain.

10.1. Quests

  • Quests can be failed.
  • Do not go overboard with fetch quests
  • Some quests have time limits, failing to meet it can either change the quest entirely or result in failure
  • Quests where you have actual competition (to see who can retrieve something, assassinations, etc.)
  • IF vehicles are added, your vehicle can be stolen and this initiates a quest. Some areas your vehicle is more likely to be stolen.
  • Bring back the generated quests of Skyrim, but improve on the issues and shortcomings it had. The Radiant quests given from factions factor into reputation, lower reputations mean simpler jobs and higher reputations mean more demanding jobs.
  • Radiant quests can sometimes affect the outcomes of towns, people, etc.
  • A huge amount of side quests on par or exceeding NV. A good amount of those side quests are also very detailed like FO3's.
  • Multiple quests in towns, that stay within the town
  • Options to capture people alive, in and out of quests
  • Misc/unmarked quests marked down similar to Skyrim, with a counter for collection quests
  • Quests thought out so well that even the slightest differences in play can completely affect the outcome (different tactics in combat, going different directions, accomplishing goals in a different order, etc.) A variety of dialogue choices should still be available however.
  • Jobs including but not limited to bounties, caravan jobs, assassinations, courier deliveries, being a bouncer, town patrols, etc. Some of these would be pre-designed, while others would be Radiant (generated).
  • Challenges brought back from NV but expanded upon (instead of just kill 50 ghouls put some fun & creative ones)
  • No marriage

11. Karma & Reputation:

  • If the owner of property has been killed, taking their items gives bad karma but is no longer labelled as stealing (can't steal what nobody longer owns)
  • If the owner of a bed has been killed by you, you can use the bed
  • 'Last witness killed' mechanic brought back from Skyrim
  • Karma is determined like FO1/2 meaning your reputations among everyone is added up to an average
  • Your overall karma has a wider effect on NPC disposition of you making it harder or easier for you to become friendly with someone.
  • Killing evil characters nets you less good karma while stealing also nets you less bad karma as well. This is to prevent players from becoming too evil/good early on.
  • If chem addiction lasts for too long it will permanently affect your reputation.
  • Bring back reputation titles (Gravedigger, Prizefighter, etc.)

12. Gameplay Mechanics:

  • Sprinting
  • Keep the DT system
  • Ability to switch between real time and turn based. The turn based mode would be inspired by https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/375798653/superhot and your actions would be limited by your AP like the original Fallouts.
  • A minimalized cover system while in 3rd person (skimming along the walls and cover, popping over cover while firing/aiming, etc.)
  • Backwards pedaling movement is more realistic and you move much slower but can receive faster backpedaling depending on your Agility. This makes walking backwards and continually shooting an enemy that more difficult.
  • More random encounters
  • Prone position
  • Climbable ladders
  • Limited function with crippled limbs (applies to player and NPCs)
  • Many more scary moments
  • six is brought back and done differently. Nudity before actual act but six is still a blackout but with more noises and controller rumble
  • Pip-Boy: Be able to change the color of the Pip-Boy light
  • Pip-Boy: From the very beginning, the PipBoy can be swiped for a handheld version at any moment
  • Fall damage completely redone: Small falls = slight health damage, medium falls = health damage & good chance of having legs crippled, long falls = massive health damage & legs instantly crippled. The player should never die from more or less feasible jumps/falls, epic heights are needed for deaths.
  • Falling a long distance will cause you to lose control and be helpless in mid-air meaning you won't land on your feet. This renders hopping down cliffs difficult as you will fall over and tumble down.

12.1. Economy

  • Doctors charge more for removing addictions and radiation, the cheaper the more inexperienced they are which opens up room for error
  • A trade system which has effects on people around you ( ex. you sell rare power armor and find someone in the wastes wearing it)
  • More desirable vendor items & vendor-specific items
  • More things to spend caps on

12.2. Mini Games & Interact-able Items

  • More gambling games and mini games
  • Useable pool tables
  • Better workbench that doesn't exit you after each crafting
  • Useable ovens for cooking food
  • Lights and other things can be turned on and off by switches
  • Readable pre-war books, skill books, etc.
  • Give ham radios a purpose
  • In crafting, you can 'free craft', crafting without blue prints
  • Different types of locks for lockpicking
  • More terminals to hack and more options to choose from (there is an over abundance of door unlocking, needs more robot reprogramming/light power manipulation/gas line explosions/toxin releases/etc.)
  • Add a 'Brute Force' option to the hacking mini-game (similar to 'Force Lock' during lockpicking)
  • Re-do the hacking minigame and make it more skill-based. It involves too much guesswork and repetitiveness as it stands. This does NOT mean make it easier.

12.3. Crime & Punishment

  • Bribery, intimidation, and robbery of NPCs as gameplay mechanics. However, these all affect your reputation if witnessed and if you let the victim live to tell the tale. Robberies of NPCs affect reputation the most, reflecting negatively on just about every faction very heavily as word spreads.
  • Punching someone in town is treated differently than shooting someone
  • Make being a thief more profitable
  • More unique items you can pickpocket off people
  • When you are witnessed stealing valuable items, the owner or a friend of the owner (if armed) may pull out a gun and yell at you to drop it instead of simply pestering/following you.
  • Much like real life cities, include occasional murders in towns so that the player isn't the only one capable of killing off town members. Give the player a unique reward & reputation if they take out the murderer in time.
  • Also include (a bit more frequently) robberies & thefts within towns. Stopping thieves has its own unique reward(s) or perhaps the player can join in on the thievery.

12.4. Combat

  • Always have an alternative way to a situation than just combat
  • Improved gore
  • Bullet drop in long distance shots
  • Bullets & projectiles move at realistic speeds
  • If not behind proper cover explosives can and will knock down player character and NPCs
  • Ability to put live and timed explosives within containers in addition to pickpocketing them onto people like we already do.
  • Penetration system where bigger rounds can go through multiple people
  • Projectiles now also penetrate certain walls, debris, barriers, etc. (anything with a penetrable tag on it in the engine). An entrance point is created (like already) and an exit point is created as well. After exit, the projectile has lost some of its force and its trajectory may be altered.
  • Grenades possibly having their own button/key
  • Dynamic crosshairs
  • Proper recoil
  • Be able to favorite a weapon of each different weapon class and have this weapon appear holstered on you in some form all within different areas (Skyrim had this ability within its engine but it was disabled)
  • Wearing Power Armor and having a high-power weapon equipped will cause low level humans that would normally attack to run away from you
  • In face to face combat, make it so the enemy will often push you or your weapon out the way (as to avoid the static up close combat of FO 3/NV)
  • Melee and hand-to-hand enemies as well as creatures receive damage bonuses when attacking in numbers. This promotes the need to take these foes out before they reach you because if they do you will be in serious trouble no matter what armor you wear.
  • Reintroduction of critical failures from Fallout 1 & 2, actively affecting both the player and NPCs

12.5. Stealth

  • Better sneaking mechanics and stealth kill scenes
  • More incentive to use stealth and concealed weapons
  • Disguise system requires a helmet to be worn w/ armor in order to be successfully disguised
  • Massive overhaul on sneak: (1) you should not able to be totally hidden in front of somebody, (2) no matter how much noise is produced NPCs should not see you through walls and know you're there, (3) NPCs must allow for sneaking past - one entrance w/ non-moving guards is bad game design, etc.

13. VATS:

  • VATS shouldn't be completely OP. It should be more strategic, expanded on what NV did.
  • VATS is real time, just slowed down a lot
  • Add eye & groin shots
  • No damage reduction, you should take almost 100% damage but there should be a limit to how much HP you lose so you don't get killed while firing (such as 85% of your HP can be lost)
  • Player stops firing if enemy runs behind wall/cover
  • Be able to exit VATS at any time
  • Unarmed and Melee Weapons can select specific parts too
  • Ability to slow down or speed up VATS kill cams

14. Skills:

  • Adding back Small Guns and Big Guns or other skills, to spread out the points more and have your character have more specific weapon skills
  • Introduce more skills
  • Better character builds meaning much more emphasis on tagged skills. Tagging a skill no longer provides a flat bonus of 15, but each point invested in the skill counts for double like Fallout 1/2. You should be meant to stick to your characters goals and it should be very hard to change i.e. you can't just go from a ruthless melee weapons character to an all-out energy weapons character.
  • The higher your Medicine skill = less chance of addiction & OD.
  • Skillcap would remain at 100, but the cost to raise them would rise as follows: 1-50 1:1, 51-75 2:1, 76-100 3:1, the point being, the better you get the more difficult it is to get even better - this would make a maxed skill equal to skillcap of 175 - and I think it'd be easier to utilize the full scale of the skill, if it caps at 100 (instead of having skills cap at 200 or 300).
  • Survival involves more than just being able to cook
  • Some skill presets for different types of players
  • Speech possibly split into Persuasion (persuading one to listen to you or give up info) and Deception (being able to disguise oneself and tell defensive lies)
  • Skill not REQUIRED to hack/lockpick, but being below the certain amount makes the mini game a lot more harder
  • A return of the Doctor skill and a reintroduction of manual healing: Manual healing would be similiar to Fallout 1 & 2 (only a few uses/24hours - they would take few in-game hours to be completed - success is determined by skill), and couldn't be used in combat or when enemies are nearby. Healing cripples wouldn't be possible with stims or sleeping, but would require manual healing and the ability to heal cripples would be dependent of the Doctor skill and the skill requirements of the crippled body part (head and torso would be harder to treat than legs and hands), otherwise a doctor is a must see. Manual healing is also able to be performed on injured companions or others in need.

14.1. S.P.E.C.I.A.L

  • SPECIAL has greater impact on gameplay with each attribute having uses & meaning beyond the plain & obvious we already know now. Leave the discovery of its uses up to the player. A low SPECIAL stat may not mean its effects are completely negative, positive effects from low stats shall be sought as well.
  • Strength: Allows you to lift heavy objects (opening rusty manholes, tipping over a car for cover, etc.) as well as give you the ability to break barriers/barricades
  • Perception: Low PER results in anything further off in the distance becoming blurry along with books being too blurry for you to read --- this gives use to the glasses. PER allows one to check the world for all sorts of loopholes/strategies. With good PER, traps stand out more, you sometimes find more superior loot, you can use your perception on a door and eavesdrop on people possibly learning something valuable, you can smell the poison put in your food. You can notice modifications on an NPC's weapon and possibly gather info on an enemy's weaknesses. You can even use your environment to your advantage such as finding a crack in a wall and discover that with enough explosives/force you may blow a hole to the other side and find whatever is there.
  • Endurance: Most importantly, this affects how long you can sprint (which also is affected by inventory weight). Affects how many chems you can handle at once before OD, also affects the severity of side effects & addiction effects. Endurance controls how much pain you can withhold before becoming far too negatively affected (see pain threshold in Section 16. hardcoe Mode).
  • Charisma: Affects the number of companions one can have (5CHR for 1, 8CHR for 2). Opportunities for very low/high CHR companions exist... (See special case companions in Section 4. Companions for more) Good charisma makes going up the ranks of reputation easier. Also, Charisma greatly affects NPC attitude towards player. With low CHR, some will not even bother talking to you, some will withhold info (possibly vital to your task). Some may even give false info to get rid of you.
  • Intelligence: Notably, low INT literally makes you stupid and will reflect on your dialogue choices. If low enough you cannot read similar to Perception except all the text becomes gibberish instead (holodisks, notes, terminals, etc.) With skillbooks, you read the book but don't understand any of it. Of course, there is benefits to having low INT as well. You may be pitied and left alive, you can have actual intelligent discussion with other stupid people and they are far more likely to respect you compared to others.
  • Agility: With higher Agility you take less fall damage, can jump further, increases sprint & reload speed by +10% for each point past 5 or by -10% for each point below 5, and also possibly allows you to climb certain surfaces.
  • Luck: High luck gives more critical hits, low luck causes more player critical failures. High luck may cause you to find more caps in a container, low luck may cause you to find none at all. Good luck improves random loot. Luck also improves your percentage of force lock on locks/brute force on terminals. Furthermore, Luck may give an extra positive/negative effect from chems, bad luck may affect the condition of gear you find, etc.

15. Perks & Traits:

  • More perks that have actual effects rather than skill boosts
  • Bring back Traits and more of them
  • Contract Killer/Law Bringer perks include actual quests
  • Dual wielding perk (in the fun league of perks like Bloody Mess)
  • Perks every 2 levels
  • Ability to repair/build robots
  • No longer forced to take a perk when asked, can proceed on without picking any
  • The Wild Wasteland trait is now a gameplay choice instead and doesn't occupy a trait space.
  • Bloody Mess perk becomes a trait like Fallout 1/2 and provides no damage bonus
  • Intense Training perk not available until level 12 and only one point can be added to each attribute (similar to Fallout 1/2's Gain Attribute perk)
  • Fix the Animal Friend perk: Animals won't attack you at rank 1, however if you attack them they still continue to remain friendly. They should attack back if attacked and especially defend their buddies if you purposely cause them trouble. At rank 2, the animals are suppose to protect you from hostiles. The problem is followers will defend these animals even if they attack allied humans.

16. hardcoe Mode:

The majority of these would only become active during hardcoe mode, although some could make their way into normal mode. Perhaps players could enable hardcoe mode features in normal mode through an Advanced Options window but turning on hardcoe mode turns on every single feature. Some features may not be allowed to be toggled in normal mode.

  • Sleep decreases your skills more and more the longer you go on without rest and perhaps you could even pass out if gone on for too long. Passing out in 'unsafe' areas includes a chance of being awaken by an enemy attack on you or being robbed
  • The game remains real time when you pause
  • Have tons of different moods your player can plunge into, some with positive skill effects and some with negative
  • Radiation decreases max HP by 1% for each 10 rads
  • Option for having only one life (after death the save is inaccessible but could display your stats and cause of death)
  • No compass markers for quests, locations, and enemies
  • Playing the radio gives away your position
  • Backpacks that increase weight capacity, not necessarily a hard core feature
  • Weather affects the body. Not wearing the right clothes within the cold will lead to frostbite and a slow death, wearing too much clothes/not being hydrated within the heat rapidly increases food/drink/sleep meters, etc.
  • There is a pain threshold meter (just like FOD, H2O, etc.) and you can become too much in pain (usually after taking too much damage at once) and this will have increasingly negative effects on player. Only way to stop the pain is let it level off over time, Med-X (instant pain relief but addictive and too much will result in OD), or you can sleep off the pain. If your pain threshold meter hits 1,000 you will go into shock and die instantly.
  • Fast travel disabled, rely on you or other people's transportation
  • If being transported by someone, you have a chance of running into a dangerous random encounter
  • Can openers required to open and eat canned foods such as Pork-N-Beans
  • Raw food has a high chance of sickness, some more than others
  • Some infections and diseases
  • Realistic damage applied to you and everyone else (head shots equal instakill, only a few bullets on unarmored body for death, explosives could be instakill, explosive shockwaves cripple many body parts, etc.)
  • Have to pre-load magazines and reloading before discharging all bullets puts a partially loaded magazine back in your inventory (such as a 5.56mm Banana Mag w/ 6 of 30 rounds left).
  • Ammo and aid items are a lot more scarce
  • Inventory space is managed differently possibly through a grid layout and you can't have a bunch of huge things (no Minigun in your back pocket for emergencies but if you really need it, it will likely be your only primary weapon)
  • An optional choice where you can only save in beds
  • Chems can be overdosed and kill you almost instantly
  • Be able to set camp in the wasteland
  • Chem addictions have more severe consequences (such as Med-X making you more susceptible to damage)
  • The need for tools for self-repairs
  • Pip-Boy is real time
  • Stimpak/chem usage/changing ammo, armor, weapon/etc. is now animated meaning you can no longer spam effects. An action queue will be shown in the Pip-Boy and upon exit you will perform your actions in real time or it could just be done where you perform the appropriate animation after each animation.
  • Reducing someone to ash/goo destroys everything in their inventory
  • Doctors Bags don't instantly heal but steadily heal for around an in-game hour
  • Fixer has a percent chance of curing addictions and it lowers the more severe your addiction(s) is/are
  • The lower their condition the more your gun will actually jam during firing and the chance of critical failure quickly goes up (completely destroying the weapon)
  • Just about any action you perform will cost some AP
  • A slider for increasing enemy spawns
  • Followers now require ammo supplied by you and this ammo actually decreases from use now.
  • Stimpaks have weight
  • Ammo comes in three qualities: Pre-War, Homemade, and New. Pre-War ammo is common in more abandoned areas. This ammo will often damage your weapons, cause jams, be a dud, and even explode. Homemade ammo can come from anyone (including yourself) and its effectiveness varies. It may be normal, it may be underpowered, or it may be overpowered (which isn't a good thing - will put much stress on weapon condition). New ammo comes from experienced presses (like the Gun Runners or The Pitt). Its behavior is completely normal like we experience now.

17. Audio:

  • More music in general including more radio stations
  • A very big list of quality voice actors who are either unknown or b-list. No famous actors.
  • Improve the ambient music
  • A radio station that praises your good deeds (like Three Dog), but an evil radio station that does the opposite by praising your bad deeds
  • Radio stations take note of competitive quests. If someone beats you at the task the radio will praise them instead.
  • Radio announcements should make sense by taking some time before announcers comment on your quests. They shouldn't know automatically.
  • Bigger variety of music genres that still fit within the game atmosphere and the 50s
  • Temporary semi-deafness from explosions
  • Combat music changes based on the severity of who's attacking
  • Some feral ghouls let out a couple words before being killed (the little humanity they have left)
  • High quality weapon sounds and hear the bullets fly by and ricochet
  • Actual audible sounds produced by armor (depending on bulk and weight)
  • Robots have their FO 3 voices back again, not their NV one
  • Death narrations brought back from original Fallouts, can be turned off

18. Visual:

  • DO NOT include the http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/30/?
  • Shadows
  • Limited DoF (depth-of-field)
  • Bump up the texture resolutions
  • No weird tinted skies but instead clear, realistic looking ones
  • Vegetation
  • Fire spreads to the surrounding area
  • Some destructible environments
  • Mirrors you can look in
  • In addition to first and third person, include a top-down view
  • Many more fluid animations in every single category, all around the game world
  • Some cutscenes
  • Weapon conditions should show decay (rust, cracks, etc.)
  • Better and more varied graffiti across the wastes
  • Better draw distance (objects are poorly drawn while in scopes)
  • Darker nights
  • A camera that operates more like Fallout 3's and not New Vegas

18.1. Player & NPCs

  • Hair & cloth physics
  • When you go to sleep you actually lay down on the bed
  • Accurate player head-tracking in 3rd person view
  • People's faces show emotions
  • Bring more animation and life to conversations
  • See breathing if cold out
  • Battles with dozens of people on screen at once, sometimes more
  • People playing harmonicas, littering empty bottles, playing chess (playable by the player as well), etc.
  • Many different textures and models for each generic enemy and possibly a full-on randomization process
  • When you take all the clothes off someone, the top (bra/shirt) would come off both male and female
  • Redesign the feral ghouls
  • NPCs can get their limbs torn off but still be living
  • Be twitchy and have a shaky camera when on too much Jet
  • Animations for everything you activate
  • Walking leaves foot prints
  • Visible legs in first person
  • Player has many idle animations that come from their high skills, location, equipped weapons, etc.
  • Visible player conditions (burnt, bruised, sickly, poisoned, starved, dehydrated, etc.)
  • While sprinting/walking/idle-standing you (and others) hold your two-handed weapons down (assault rifles, shotguns, snipers, etc.) and hold one-handed weapons up.
  • If your limbs are crippled they should show wear and tear (blood, bullet holes, etc.)
  • More player death scenes rather than just rag doll
  • When someone is set on fire they should stumble around, if a critical occurs they will drop and roll until they burn to a crisp. Anyone touched by someone on fire will also catch on fire.
  • When arms are at rest the Pip-Boy's light should swing with arm movement similar to a lantern. When aiming down the sights it should behave like a flashlight.

19. User Interface:

  • Improve the UI and make it PC-friendly
  • Be able to look at items in full 3D view like Skyrim, look at original Fallout games for inspiration
  • Although there should be less of them, loading screens should be more interesting similar to Skyrim (where you view game assets in 3D instead of looking at static pictures like in Fallout 3/NV)
  • Adjustable FOV without console commands
  • Another improvement would be the ability to make folders for saves
  • Ability to sort saves by character
  • Multiple autosave files like Skyrim
  • Ability to rename save game files
  • Improve the HUD with not as much of a bloaty feeling and be able to enable/disable specific parts of the HUD
  • Before adding a mod, upgrade, customization, etc. to a weapon you get a visual preview
  • In character creation, the sliders shouldn't just continually click left or right but just move along smoothly

19.1. Pip-Boy

  • Fix the Aid and Misc sections which become cluttered and also improve the Notes section by organizing schematics, recordings, etc.
  • Pip-Boy needs other improvements as well such as level selection in interior maps and an upgrade to the hot key system (frustrating to use on consoles)
  • A codex system within the Pip-Boy that keeps track of creatures you encounter, notable NPCs, items, advancements in lore, and other things.
  • The Pip-Boy's map of the world would be 3D like Skyrim but with a Fallout twist to it
  • Do not forget to include roads onto the world map like you did with Skyrim
  • Be able to set points of interest on Pip-Boy map
  • More understandable stat increases from items and from chems w/ an explanation (how do they give these increases?)

20. AI:

  • Covering fire, repositioning, cover usage, flanking, flushing enemies/you out with grenades are some good things that could be implemented.
  • Enemies that are clearly overpowered should flee very early on
  • Smarter follower AI that also notices how you are trying to fight in a battle
  • If you pull a gun out and aim it at someone, they should be reactive and pull out their gun as well
  • NPCs should notice bodies, open doors, knocked over/missing objects, and anything out of place. This will send their AI into an investigative mode.
  • AI in the wild are less aggressive, in combat the AI is at its most aggressive (not always, but often)
  • NPCs will take over a job if the previous NPC was killed
  • NPCs need to recognize mines (frag mines, etc.) that are theirs and quit blowing themselves up.
  • When sniping, the AI will some times fight back by pitting a counter-sniper against you

21. Engine:

  • Revamped Creation Engine or completely new
  • Script extender/more scripts already built in
  • Make the game 64bit and uncap the amount of memory the game can use
  • Remove any bugs especially game breaking ones
  • Fewer loading screens
  • Little to no invisible walls
  • Be able to render more items within a cell more smoothly
  • Improve the grab/move/throw physics and sensitivity along with an ability to rotate
  • DirectX 11 support
  • Be able to get on the top of all buildings (or the majority)
  • Entering buildings within a town or area requires no loading screen and instead you have an animation where you open the door and close it behind you
  • Be able to see through & out windows
  • Higher controller/mouse sensitivity
  • Do not hold back the game with support for Xbox 360 & PS3; strictly next-gen only

22. GECK / Modding:

  • Steam Workshop integration
  • Develop better terrain manipulation controls for better detail and use terrain paints instead of copy-pasted rocks and cliff sides everywhere.
  • Ability to add more lighting (which was capped in Skyrim causing texture popping and blackouts on textures)
  • Uncap the 255 mods you can use without worrying about memory overload
  • Compiler with an extended limit of characters
  • Map all of the properties/objects/actors by their Form ID's or other coded number that doesn't rely on the Editor ID name so that if you wanted to organize your objects you wouldn't have to remap/link all of your aliases/objects to your object again just to change the name.
  • More sensible movement within the render window & key remapping
  • Proper scaling
  • Either no hard cap on the number of animations, or support a few extra slots ~even if unused in the official game. This would allow a modder's custom gun to support adding a custom reload; or unique attack animation.
  • More intuitive ~or at least better documented Object-palette workflow; and material set usage; and addons (models)
  • A modest selection of additional dialog from all (or at least most) of the principle voice artists. For instance... Mr. Burke [via GECK content files], could say, 'I have another job for you, are you interested?', and then [affirmative], "I have an acquaintance looking for a delivery boy"... "Be at [Ten Penny's | Dunwhich | Rail yard | the Rivet City Bridge].... at [1,2,3,4,5,6,7... O'clock]" , "[he/she] will fill you in on the details".
  • Working/Reliable support for world space creation
  • Sort By Function - allowing you to sort objects by their type
  • Options to map orbit, pan, zoom on keyboard and mouse
  • Snap To Function - allowing you to take an object and snap it to another
  • Decent text editor with syntax highlighting
  • Place-able Pivot Point - Ability to orbit around any where in the world without losing control, like you do so often in the CK
  • 1st Person View / Testing - Ability to walk around in the CK
  • Exposed access to the foot/floor kinematics (the behavior of the feet adjusting to uneven ground height); or just an explanation of how to use it in custom models.

23. Misc:

  • Don't rush the game
  • Do not let Fallout 4 easily be dubbed a "Skyrim with Guns" - make Fallout a distinct series
  • Another competition for a user-made perk like Fallout 3
  • A Great War flashback
  • Listen to the community! Take a look at mods as well
  • Have Obsidian help with development
  • Take on more volunteers for things like consults, graphics work, coding, bug squashing, etc.
  • Take advantage of your M rating
  • Despite being about TES, Bethesda employees should take big notes on this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0

The Community Wishlist compiles the best wishes for Fallout 4 from all of this forums threads.

Disclaimer: This list in whole will massively help you gain insight into what could make Fallout 4 an incredible game. The ideas contained within this wishlist are all only suggestions the forum's members feel would improve the game and we do not claim them in anyway. Bethesda, go ahead and use whatever ideas you like, you've earned it. :wub:

If you have any more suggestions I'll add them to the list if they're good enough. If you would like to show this wishlist to Bethesda, you can contact them http://www.zenimax.com/more and http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=members&module=messaging§ion=send&do=form&fromMemberID=365941.

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carly mcdonough
 
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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:06 pm

To Cheeze -in your stealth thing at 12.5, i'd change the 'no matter how much noise' to 'movement related noise'.. A gunshot or an explosion should alert a NPC if its on the other side of the wall.

Weapon attachments would be great that help a sneaking gameplay would be great too. Silencers for example. Flaw with can be that they break easily so you can't just go through a level popping everybody in the head..

More communication would be great..

A better drag system would be nice aswell as a reaction from NPCs based on finding dead comrades.

A slight climbing and crawling system would be neat. Perhaps if you have light armor, you can do a smaller crouch under things like tables as seen in Dishonored. A slight climb system seems a little essential too. To crawl into a vent for example, requires it. How can i jump while crawling into a vent unless its either A) grounded or B: has a table which you can jump ontop of to which the vent opens directly to.

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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:09 pm

Alerting is one thing, I think what Cheeze was referring to is enemies hearing something and then homing in on your position like freaking missiles which is an altogether too common occurrence in some games.

Honestly what I want is a destructible environment. I want to blow a hole through a wall or blast those dang doors that are hanging off their hinges, that i still cna't freaking go through, into smithereens. To limit pure destructive tendencies maybe only make wood destructible, or wood and stone, while leaving metal unbreakable in spots you really just can't have falling apart.

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Casey
 
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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:59 am

Oh man it took like 15 minutes to get that wishlist to post right. For anyone using the latest version of Nightly (browser), it is behaving very erratic. :ahhh:

Of all your wishes, they are within the list more or less. For your edit request, I totally get what you're saying. Pupp explains what I meant. If you make a gunshot or some other loud noise then yes, they should head either towards the player or the origin of the noise depending on their aggression. But what I was referring to in the list was how you become [DETECTED] or enemies becoming [HOSTILE] when you are not even in line of sight such as being behind a wall.

I'll make it more clear in the next new additions, thank you. Another edit to the list will be to the whole Three Dog vs. Evil radio station thing being way too centered on the player as pointed out by UnDeCafIndeed, I noticed your suggestion threads back. And some other new things as well. The amount of new suggestions to find/come up with has been getting shorter but I am always watching for new ones to add in.

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:02 am

I hope there won't be anyone but Obsidian devellopping the 2017's Fallout. The best moment for Tim Cain's introducing us his new entry on the franchise.

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Kortknee Bell
 
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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 6:18 pm

Gizmo if you quote me then please quote me real and don't change my text to your likeing.

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Andres Lechuga
 
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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:25 pm

Always remember that staging, storytelling and interactivity form a holy triangle of immersion.

If it's only about the first one, I can just as well put Fallout 4 in a row of all the other well meant, badly executed excuses of games, that suffer from assuming that players enjoy visual orgisms and thus wouldn't need anything more that a nicely designed surface.

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:34 am

Ah, I was a bit fuzzy on the math. So it is true that this is the longest that we have waited, then. Hopefully its just around the corner.

I didnt know that about Diablo 3. A 4 year hype cycle? Damn. I dont think I could handle that for Bethesda, or any of my other favourite developers.

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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:27 pm

When there is a quote, it comes with a link to the original; and with the three dots it's implicit that what is presented is only part of the statement. Anyone with questions about the context can read the original. (That's the idea.)

If I am only responding to one ~or even ? a sentence, then that's what I quote; unless I [personally] think that the quote's context is made deceptive of their intent.

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This is flawed. Lord of the rings is a setting; the novel exists as Tolkien's own endeavor to explain the histories and contexts of his languages. If you ask me "Should Peter Jackson's movies exist?"... Honestly you can't fault a man who achieves the impossible [for so it was thought, before he succeeded at it]; but he shredded the story and the films stack up as pale and skewed depictions of the text, sadly. But that's not the same context as what we are talking about.

Consider the Warhammer IP, and whether or not movies could be made of it ~of course they could... just as games exist of the Middle Earth setting; just as novels or books could exist of the Fallout setting ~though they would need a clever author to impart the genuine differences of thought in the character's internal dialogs... It would not just be 50'esque landscaping, but the minds that made it and live in it as well.

But of games ~of sequels... A game is not deserving of the name if it merely strips the previous games for setting and content while ignoring the core premise and mechanics of that series. Any style of game has merit; FO3 is fantastic on its own merit; but as a direct sequel to Fallout 2, it's abominable disservice... If one does not see this, then hopefully this will illuminate the point about such a format shift: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bolpVVs2kmM
There is nothing inherently wrong about FO3 ~save for the name itself; advertising a game set in the Fallout setting as "Fallout 3"... And that is like advertising a game like Space Marine not as ~a warhammer adventure, but AS 'Dawn of War 3'.

This is false. A series' name is paramount to expectation of gameplay ~or they are being disingenuous. Would you have thought the same if Halo:Reach had officially been the next numbered HALO?

When a kid wants a bike and is told they are getting one... does a skateboard or surfboard really fit the bill? Does a unicycle fit the bill? How about exercise bike?

If one doesn't wish to make a series game, then one simply ~doesn't... but don't then call it one when it's clearly not one. As for rehash... no one has implied or suggested that this was wanted or expected.

All of the modern technology available to us would have allowed for extended advancement upon the Fallout series design, for a Fallout 3 ["upon" not "instead of"]; but they crafted a rehash of Oblivion that merely copied the Fallout setting ~~Which is fine; it's an impressive game... I'd have bought it and been pleased; instead of bought it and been disappointed for dashed expectations caused of erroneously (IMO purposely/deceptively) using the name Fallout 3 to sell it. They could have called it anything, but they chose a name that meant nothing to the majority of consumers, and everything to [to them] an insignificant niche audience, who they knew would spread the word like wildfire... as did happen.


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Had they intended so, they could have done it that way to begin with. A major game that Interplay shipped before Fallout; one that Fallout's lead programmer worked on prior, was a first person adventure with spell casting and dual wielded weapons, where you target your melee attacks against multiple opponents. Of course they could have done it, but even in the mid 2000's the architects of the series confirmed that the plan was always to have been turn-based isometric combat for Fallout 3. [This is part of what Fallout is about. It was about this well before they even bothered devising the Fallout setting.] :shrug:

Yes things can, but you seem like you'd be okay with all hammers changing into a flashlights. Change is good ~but total mutation is generally bad... One cannot play the Fallout series with FO3 or NV; one can only play another Elder Scrolls game set in the Fallout setting. :sadvaultboy:
It's simple... it's like using a Fallout themed Chess set to play backgammon or checkers; it looks the part but utterly discards the meat of the game, and the Fallout assets are used soullessly for appearance sake.

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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:33 pm

A bike is nothing like a videogame. A hammer is nothing like a videogame. There is a huge difference between a functional object and a interactive piece of fiction. It has been proven many times that developers of all series will not simply rehash the first entry in the series continiously. Dawn of War 2 is a real time tactics/RPG hybrid, does that make it a bad game since it doesnt have base building? Duke Nukem 3D is a FPS, does that mean its a bad game because its not a side scroller? No game developer puts any stock in the theory that their games should be the same thing every time. Fallout New Vegas is made by many of the former devs of Fallout 1 and 2, did they make a turn based game? They did not. They have said that they were happy with Fallout 3, and wanted to make a game based on it. Infact, the original pitch for it was a game set around Boston and The Insitute, but Bethesda turned it down since I think thats what they were working on.

It is only a -very- small handful of people who think such things about game series, and thankfully none of them are developing games. Also if you are going to change the words of people that you quote, then I feel that you are arguing in very bad faith. In this case you are completely changing the meaning of what sesom said to something that you agree with, which makes me feel like you are intentionally trying to anger people in the way that you post. Please understand that if that is not what you are trying to do, that you are discrediting everything you say by trying to change what other people have said to you.

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:02 am

I think it would be neat if Fallout 4 had it's own version of M'aiq the Lair (with the random wadering and one liners) and he/she would be a fixture that would appear in the next games in the series, or they could bring Harold back, but Harold isn't so marginalized and one dimensional. Also if FO4 does end up taking place in Boston I would hope they make a mudcrab reference like naming a bar after the mudcrab or have a crazy character that rambles on about giant mudcrabs.

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:17 am

Then you miss the point...
~Completely missed the point.

When someone uses a name, that name has implications. Asking for a hammer ~you want a hammer (any hammer). Asking for a video game, you want any video game... but when asking for a ball-peen hammer one has a very specific tool in mind; just as when asking for a specific video game ~by name; or by series name. Series name implies gameplay; ie DOOM, DOOM2, DOOM3, DOOM4... I bet you they don't dare make the next DOOM a first person frankenshooter RPG, nor Quake; why? Because the name implies gameplay. There can be any game ~set~ in the DOOM or Quake universe... but the actual numbered titles would never [sanely] be other than old-school shooters, because that's what the name carries with it. To do otherwise well... that would be like making Vanilla soda out of beaver glandular extract instead of vanilla bean. :lol:

Games are not interactive fiction ~period.
This is because if you don't have the mechanics, then you don't have a game. Games can have a story ~but the story itself shall always be secondary to gameplay; else it's not a game at all; a simulator is not a game, nor is a powerpoint [click to proceed] slideshow. Interactive fiction is the electronic version of a Choose-your-own-Adventure novel; the point of it is the story. In a game, the point is the gameplay, and the fiction draqes the mechanics. There should be nothing there that is without tangible purpose to the mechanics of the game. And the story only there to setup the next gameplay challenge.

I cannot think of a single game I have played, that stripped of gameplay, would have been worth half the money it cost; but I can name quite a few games that when stripped of the story were excellent games and worth the regular price. Story is always the icing on the cake, [gameplay is the cake]. A bad story won't ruin a good game, but bad gameplay will make the game intolerable, and render the story irrelevant; never experienced.

YES. It's because it's not a furtherance of Dawn of War ~~This would have been: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzVlpUf7e5w

The entire premise of 'Dawn of War' [singled out from many other Warhammer games] is to occupy and hold territory, while expanding one's base, and defeating all comers. Dawn of War [as a series] was not about building up a party of space marines. If that's not what they wanted to build, then they should have called it something else ~set in the Warhammer universe... Some other Blood Raven game ~apart from the DoW franchise. IE. make something else ~even if there would never be a Dawn of War 2 or 3... for surely there shouldn't be, if dressing up an unrelated game was the the plan; to use the name to sell something else entirely. :sadvaultboy:

"Duke Nukem 3D" is not "Duke Nukem 3", if anything "Duke Nukem:Manhattan Project" should have been Duke Nukem 3 (or 4). Spin-offs happen, and can be great games; as with Fallout's Spin-offs.


Sound policy too; has anyone asked or suggested they should? No one wants a Fallout 2 clone per-se... certainly not 2D Isometric; but of course the game should be recognizably decedent from Fallout 2, and not TES. But this is not how it is. :sadvaultboy:

In such a tight industry, you cannot expect any [public] negative opinions from people who are in business together. :shrug: Burning bridges is bad business.

I don't see it. There is no distinguishing difference between "Sure the oldschoolers will love it", and
**"It makes no sense to discuss map travel further here because one cannot bothered to read the whole conversation and simply jumps in with (we all know... not meant at you Nas92). As I said I already made kind of Gizmos concept for Fallout The Story and I am not satisfied as player. Sure the oldschoolers will love it and it fits for a Fallout 1 remake but actually after playing in a bigger (actually smaller) world you really feel the lack of such systems."**

And I was only responding to the specific comment about old-schoolers, and that being the only thing that should matter in a Fallout 3.
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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:44 am

There is a important difference if I refer to Fallout 1 and you change my post that way that it refers to the whole series.

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:22 am

Strategic/Tactical combat MUST be part of a new Fallout. Not only to make that particular part of the game thrilling and interesting, but also to help building a distinct character who really operates differently in combat than others.

Disarmament and targeting limbs needs to be a viable tactic. VATS is not there to simply help you kill opponents easier and faster by targeting heads always. No it needs to become a successfully integrated part of the mechanics. You should be able to fail in combat and not only by not being prepared well.

I want enemies to rip you apart if you don't THINK and simply run&gun. It's ok to pause during combat, this isn't an fps after all.

Another part is using your environment. Combattants should be in serious disadvantage in the open fields. When you fight inside a building, it should feel different from the outside.
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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:36 pm

Rather than rant I figured I would simply hint at a few concepts' I like the sound of:

Start before the bombs.

Secret research labs.

Friends, family, loved ones, enemies and a glimpse of what the world once was like.

Warning Sirens. Panic.

Emergency cryogenics, but only for some...

Wake up 200 years later. Fish out of water. Big time.

You might not be the only one in this unique situation...

Discover a new world.

Gouls are familiar faces.

Old world science.

The prospect of time travel.

Destroy one world to save another?

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:50 am

:foodndrink: I can agree with that in premise, but I did not see it as that; still don't really.






I think it is... oh but I do agree with your post, and what VATS ~should~ be.

I don't think that will be allowed in the series ever again. :sadvaultboy:
*And I do think that when a developer intends that a game can be played as an FPS shooter, they ensure that they have made an FPS shooter.

Todd Howard [slick too ~in a good way] did admit that FO3 was a mediocre FPS. Doing this put him in the advantageous position of using a point of weaknessas as a linchpin. In essence... it makes the mediocrity permissible because FO3 is considered an RPG, and doesn't need to be a good FPS. :laugh:

(But in reality it DOES need to be an FPS; it needs it in order to hold the segment of the audience that only cares about FPP gunning... and as such it is both hampered by RPG mechanics ~keeping it from being a great shooter; and hindered as an RPG by those same FPS mechanics that make just enough of a run-n-gun. Catch-22... mediocre FPS/RPG IMO, and only the least bit like any other game in its series. :sadvaultboy:

One should expect the very same [again] from FO4; a faithful sequel to FO3 (only).
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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:52 am

That doesn't sound so bad...

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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:58 pm

Not if your a fan of FO3. :shrug:
(But the Fallout series is a different animal entirely; there is nothing in FO3's gameplay that interests me as a Fallout series fan. That's pretty shocking in a sequel ~for a 14 year Fallout series fan.)
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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:55 pm

Is it possible to make a great fps that is also a great rpg? Or do you just end up with something like a futon -- half-assed couch that turns into a half-assed bed?

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Post » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:15 am

Fallout 3 only had exploration and exposition going for it imo. Very good atmosphere. But story, dialogue, gameplay mechanics, choices, interactivity, FUN?

No Fallout has been perfect so far I think we can agree on this. And what unites Fallout fans of all colors is the hope that Fallout 4 should be better than everything we had so far. If you think for example Fallout 3 was good, you'd want to have a Fallout 4 that is much better.

Another thing everyone agrees on is interactivity. You should have options in the game. And be able to play.


They're not exclusive. But FPS will have to diminish next to RPG. This is the only viable approach.

True FPS games are FAIR. There is no character there, no skill mechanics or attributes. Only weapons differ and modern FPS's include rpg elements. But multiplayer would suffer from those.

An rpg dictates the usefulness of fps mechanics via skills.
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Post » Fri Nov 21, 2014 5:59 pm

"Great" is subjective to the player... but for me [personally], I would never play an RPG as though I were the character; the whole point of having a character is to manipulate the situations through their limitations using actions that they could personally accomplish... IE. reliant upon PC skill & ability. While I would expect any FPS to be primarily reliant upon player skill and ability; this makes them diametrically opposed opposites. The FPS is asking for player excellence to progress, while the RPG asks for PC ability to progress; Ideally the RPG player shouldn't be just hindered by PC ineptness... they should be absolutely hamstrung by it; or enabled by the PC's expertise. This makes for a terrible shooter IMO. In a shooter, that would mean auto-aim for an expert marksman (who is presumably a better than the player); it would also mean (as in FO3) that the game otheerwise messes with the player's aim.
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