Fallout 4: Speculation, Suggestions and Ideas #31

Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:14 am

Love the Idea but I'm in the unfortunate position of not having a PC can run New Vegas properly let alone the next game, How would you propose a system like this work on consoles, I'd like them to use a menu system similar to Skyrim, but integrate it in universe for fallout.

Maybe the back button on the Xbox Controller, or select on PS3. I don't know if those are used. Then just scroll thorugh some options normally with the joystick. Or if it is taken, they could say, maybe have you click the b/square button once for a mini-menu, then double click it for the normal pip-boy screen. Holding it would pop up the light like usual.

EDIT: Just realized the back button is for waiting.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:09 am

Small tweak:- Instead of having to move the mouse to the terminal button to exit it, just press E like you do with everything else.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:21 am

There are possibilities. Generally, lesser amounts of money on the move in general, more items and features to be acquired with "money-only", and less iventoryspace.


And since it seems to be in fashion... again...

Here's some of my ideas on along which lines I would like some aspects of Fallout 4 to be made (I posted this (IIRC) before Fallout: New Vegas was even annouced, and once again last year, but made some changes so I'm not just reposting the same thing over and over again). Whether or not all the following would actually work in the game, is beyond me as I'm not a game designer, but at least to me it sounds decent on paper.
The WALL OF TEXT:
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A minimenu:

There would be a minimenusystem that would trigger various functions needed during the gameplay. Pressing (for example) the mousewheel would open up a list (somewhat similiar to Fallout 1 and Fallout 2) beside the cursor that would present commands like Enter Worldmap, Heal, Heal Other, Repair, Rest/Wait etc. If well implemented, this could potentially offer a greater gameplay diversity through bigger possibilities for direct skilluses in several situations.


General gameplay:


The general gameplay would be quite similiar to F3 and F:NV. You roam around the wastes doing quests and exploring. But combat would be less frequent unless the player decides otherwise - in other words, you could pick some of your random fights. (Though I'd very, very much prefer it, I'm not suggesting ISO/TB gameplay, since I don't believe for a second that Beth would implement it no matter what. <_< )

This could partly be handled through wildlife AI, which would be set less aggressive in general. An aggression stat would be implemented which would vary from species to species - from completely neutral (only defensive combat) to total aggression (hostility almost immediately). The animals would have their own immediate surroundings, or personal spaces, somewhat like in Risen and Gothic series, and partly in F:NV. Get too close and you get a warning sign from the critter giving you time to get out of their space, linger and be chased off (or be attacked, if you don't flee). The radius of the space and the time you are tolerated in it would depend on the critter.

The mainquest would be scaled to a certain degree through chaptering it (not visibly, as in presenting a loadscreen: Chapter 1: In which you slither out from the uaginal cavity and learn the first lessons of life, but through certain major events through the main quest). And after those, the game would replaces some of the lower level enemies with higher level ones in the MQ areas - defeating which (if not gettin past by other means) would require you to level up some more. Or through a nonlinear levelscalingsystem where, for example, when one starts the game at level one, the enemies in the levelscaled zones would range from 1 to 10, and after one hits somewhere between levels 12 to 15 (which ever works the best) some of the lower level creatures scale up to about level 18 to 25 (but not all, to not make the world appearing to spin around the player too much). This would offer both, challenge and sense of progression to the player, as one becomes better than the current enemies before they scale up again.

There wouldn't be any quest- or enemycompasses, but there would be (toggleable, perhaps) minimap in which you could see the living beings in immediate vicinity. Perception would determine the range in which you see things, and with a perk (with appropriate requirements - outdoorsman and perception, for example) you could tell the difference between friendly (green dot), neutral (yellow dot) and hostile (red dot) targets.

The questcompass would be replaced by mere markers on the map which would point towards a general area instead of the exact target. And with that, the quest descriptions would be more accurate.

The wrist pipboy would be scrapped and replaced by a more handheld PDI like contraption, which would offer a more userfriendly inventorysystem (something like mix of what Morrowind or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. had, for example) with less scrolling while still holding the tabs to sort items by their nature, a one page charactersheet much akin to the original games. Opening inventory wouldn't pause the game (could be tied to difficulty - normal and beyond: No inventorypause, for example).

Skillcap would remain at 100, but the cost to raise them would rise as follows: 1-50 1:1, 51-75 2:1, 76-100 3:1, the point being, the better you get the more difficult it is to get even better - this would make a maxed skill equal to skillcap of 175 - and I think it'd be easier to utilize the full scale of the skill, if it caps at 100 (instead of having skills cap at 200 or 300). Also, the gaps between levels would be raised:

How it is now (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level):
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z=n+(y+150)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 350 - 550
4 - 500 - 1,050
5 - 650 - 1,700
6 - 800 - 2,500
7 - 950 - 3,450
8 - 1100 - 4,550
9 - 1250 - 5,800
10 - 1400 - 7,200
11 - 1550 - 8,750
12 - 1700 - 10,450
13 - 1850 - 12,300
14 - 2000 - 14,300
15 - 2150 - 16,450
16 - 2300 - 18,750
17 - 2450 - 21,200
18 - 2600 - 23,800
19 - 2750 - 26,550
20 - 2900 - 29,450
21 - 3050 - 32,500
22 - 3200 - 35,700
23 - 3350 - 39,050
24 - 3500 - 42,550
25 - 3650 - 46,200
26 - 3800 - 50,000
27 - 3950 - 53,950
28 - 4100 - 58,050
29 - 4250 - 62,300
30 - 4400 - 66,700


How it should be (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level) for example:
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z=n+(y+200)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 400 - 600
4 - 600 - 1,200
5 - 800 - 2,000
6 - 1000 - 3,000
7 - 1200 - 4,200
8 - 1400 - 5,600
9 - 1600 - 7,200
10 - 1800 - 9,000
11 - 2000 - 11,000
12 - 2200 - 13,200
13 - 2400 - 15,600
14 - 2600 - 18,200
15 - 2800 - 21,000
16 - 3000 - 24,000
17 - 3200 - 27,200
18 - 3400 - 30,600
19 - 3600 - 34,200
20 - 3800 - 38,000
21 - 4000 - 42,000
22 - 4200 - 46,200
23 - 4400 - 50,600
24 - 4600 - 55,200
25 - 4800 - 60,000
26 - 5000 - 65,000
27 - 5200 - 70,200
28 - 5400 - 75,400
29 - 5600 - 81,000
30 - 5800 - 86,800
31 - 6000 - 92,800
...and so on up to, say 50

The formula I made may not be correct, but the point remains.


Map and Travelling:


A return to the classic worldmap system (with some tweaks to make it look more... erm, "modern"). The actual FPP/TPP playground area would be roughly about 2x the size of Fallout New Vegas; and the area is divided into 5-7 (or so) hubs scattered in the worldmap which vary in size and content. General gameplay in those would be about the same as in F3 and F:NV, run around and do local quests and explore.

When you enter the node you could spawn at any "formidable" (as in settlementlike in size) location you've already found. The first time entering a node you would spawn at the side of the map on special spawnpoint for that purpose (which could be used later on too, of course).

Outdoorsmanskill is reintroduced (or merged within the Survival skill) and works similiarly to Fallout 1&2 with the difference that nonhostile encounters are always avoidable should the player so decide (to decrease the amount of loadscreens).

The worldmap itself is zoned in couple of ways:
- The farther away from the starting position, the harder the enemies and vice versa; but there is still a (small) chance to encounter harder enemies on starting grounds and vice versa, based on outdoorsmanskill, luck and placement of the zone (but still keeping the MQ areas within reasonable range of enemies).
- The map is zoned into territories, which each have their set of unique enemies as well as a few commonones that can be found on every zone.

Each zone has about 5-7 small maps for random/special encounters, which are either hostile or nonhostile, and are based on the topography of the location in the worldmap and the contents of the encouters would be based on the zone in which it occurs.

The visitable locations on map would be as follows: A settlement - with explorable wasteland around it to provide smaller sidequest and exploring. Or just a visitable location like a majorsized building, militarybase, factory etc. They could even include two settlements, but in general all towns would be much bigger than those in Fallout 3 or New Vegas.

Each settlement has its own set of architecture (not too different from other settlements, but so that one can tell the difference), general theme and mindsets. These are small things, but they would add a lot of variety to the game.

Entering worldmap from a node would happen through the edges of the map. In Fallout 3, when you bumb to an edge of the map, you get a popup message that says: "you cannot go further that way" - now it would be like this: "e) enter worldmap".

To not have to always run to the edge of a map, you could use the minimenu command "Enter Worldmap", which could not be used indoors, during combat or if there are enemies nearby. However, escaping combat through the edge of the map would be possible.


Repairing:

Repairing happens either with repairkits, by gunsmiths in towns/caravans, or by a duplicate.

The kits would repair a fixed and relatively large amount of CND and have limited amount of succesful uses (and would offer a small bonus to the skill and crit. failure) each, but they would be expensive to buy, weight a somewhat hefty amount and would also be weakened and eventually broken by a certain amount of critical failures and general wear. Gunsmiths and repairmen would be very expensive but would get the job done no matter what. A duplicate would repair a small amount of CND (with no bonuses or hits to skill or crit. chance) so that you'd have to weigh the benefit of losing the weapons monetary value against the increase in CND (at least at early stages of the game).

Success in repairing is dependant on repairskill (a diceroll happens, dreadful I know). And the repairing takes a certain amount of time (few seconds) depending on the chance of success.

One would now be able to repair guns and armor beyond his/her skill but the further above the skill they go the harder they would get to repair. The math is irrelevant (as long as it complements the premise), but here's a quick idea on how it could go:

After the guns/armors condition is above the skill, the amount going above is turned into percentages that is taken away from the skill. IE: skill = 30 and rifles condition = 80. Condition - skill = 50. 50% of skill (30) is 15. So trying to repair a weapon in condition of 80 with a repairskill of 30 would give a chance of success of 15%. This is not necesserely realistic, but it is assuming that the more shiny the condition gets, the more difficult (but not impossible) it would be to repair it further.

Guns and armor would also have a chance for a critical failure if an attempt to repair fails. Critical failure, instead of repairing the gun, has a reverse effect. The chance would be from 1% to 10% (depending on the weapon) if a trait or a perk doesn't raise/lower it.

The increased hardship of repairing would be compensated via much slower degredation rate (based on the weapon, of course), though the effects of CND (jamming during firing, reloading disorders, rate of fire, damage, buying/selling values) would also be much bigger and frequent.

There would also be a possibility to repair broken robots or computers or what ever there is to repair, by pointing the target opening minimenu and selecting repair.


Healing & drugs:

Stimpak usage would be animated, so no more smashing a quick key for dozens of stims in few seconds (I like this method more than the concept of heal overtime from HC-mode of F:NV). The speed of the animation would be dependant of the related skill (doctor). More over stims now would always heal the same amount (no skill effect in there), and they would come in two variations: stimpaks and superstimpaks. Both of which would be rare and expensive (so that you cannot live off of them, but also have to rely on other methods of healing) and superstims much more so than ordinary stims.

The player would have a tolerance meter which would measure how much the player can medicate himself before overdosing. Overdosing would cause an instant loss of health according to how much the limit is surpassed and would also cause some visual distortions and statloss. The effect would last for a while and the time would be depending on endurance and doctor skill (and perks/traits that would modify it). The tolerance meter slowly lowers itself after the medication is done, and the magnitude it is filled is dependant on the drug used (powerful drugs - like Jet and superstims for example - obviously fill it more quickly), related skill and perks/traits modifying it. Using food as a healer would not affect the tolerance meter, but food would have a heal-over-time effect.

Doctorskill would be reintroduced and so would manual healing. Manual healing would be similiar to Fallout 1 & 2 (only a few uses/24hours - they would take few in-game hours to be completed - success is determined by skill), and couldn't be used in combat or when enemies are nearby. Healing cripples wouldn't be possible with stims or sleeping, but would require manual healing and the ability to heal cripples would be dependant of the doctorskill and the skillrequirements of the crippled bodypart (head and torso would be harder to treat than legs and hands), otherwise a doctor is a must see.

Manual healing would be entered by the minimenu, which would also have the "heal other" option to heal a companion or other alive being in need of assistance.

Healing through sleeping would work similiarly to Fallout 1 & 2.

Addiction would need a doctor or a certain amount (pretty long) of time to heal. Radiation poisoning needs a doctor or radaway (which would be rare and expensive).


Gunplay & VATS (should it be implemented):


Skills would now have much heavier effect on waivering than what it is in F3, utilizing the skill and STR requirement system from New Vegas (but more heavyhandedly). In addition, the players stance, movement, weapons type and recoil also would affect it.

The normal (according to skill) situation would be standing still and aiming through iron sights (which would reduce waivering). Crouching would give a small bonus to accuracy and going prone would give a slightly bigger bonus (with the bonus from aiming coming on top of that). The tradeoff with going prone and being accurate would be extremely slow moving and turning, and it would take its time for the player to get up and ready the weapon again. Firing from the hip would cause bigger spread. Movement would also give a hit to accuracy -- the faster you move, the bigger the waivering with ironsights and spread with hipfiring. Recoil would work dynamically based on the gun used, and would throw the aim off a bit with each shot (while bursting, the amount of recoil per shot would stack up eventually leading to firing straight up -- with hipfire, the "offaim" would be a bit smaller, but the spread would increase).

Guns would do generally more damage and the damagestats would be ranges. IE: Huntingrifle - dmg 11-20, like in Fallout 1&2, but with growth of related skill raising the minimum amount closer to the maximum (though not as far as up to having a static damage, there would always be some range left).

In vats you would now have an option to choose a firing mode. Rapid fire - a hastily aimed rapid shooting towards the target; or aimed shots, which would be the opposite of rapid fire.

Rapid fire would lower the accuracy a bit and you could only target a foe as a whole; but it would spend less actionpoints, while aimed shots would cost more and calculate the accuracy without minuses, and you would be able to target specific body parts. The bonuses and hits of chosen stance would be similiar to those in realtime firing.

Being prone in vats would force you to choose a firing sector (so that the player doesn't spin like a dreidel in all directions while being the most accurate he can). Prone position would also be the most expensive stance to fire from, while standing would be the cheapest, and being crouched in the middle. The player would be able to change his preferred stance in VATS, but at a cost.

Lockpicking:

Success is determined by skill so that you can try to pick any lock from very easy to very hard; and NO minigame involved. It would work somewhat like repairing; lock level - skill (if the skill is under the lock level) = percentual number that is taken from the skill. If the skill surpasses lock level, the chances are purely skillbased with maximum chance of success being 95% (this, the max chance, would go for every chance based system). And the percentual chance would be presented when moving the reticle over the locked object: E) Pick lock [Very hard: 13%], for example.

Lockpicking would be animated so that you either see your characters hands doing the job (FP view) or seeing your character from behind (TP view). You would have the ability to turn your head (or the camera) some ways left and right to see if someone is coming - so the game doesn't pause during the picking. But looking away from what you're doing, would have an effect (see below).

Picking locks would take a certain amount of time depending on your skill and level of the lock (aka the chance of success). When attempting, there would be a timebar similiar to what Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines had. Skill would give bonuses to the time it takes to pick a lock in such manner that you don't get bonuses to picking hard locks before your skill surpasses maximum level of normal locks. More over, the bonuses would stop stacking up after your skill surpasses the next level of difficulty (no bonuses to picking normal locks after skill level of 75, for example, depicting that there is no way to open that kind of lock any better - other than with a fluke).

Each lock would have a certain amount of tries before (if you keep failing) the lock jams for a certain amount of time (preferably at least a couple of weeks, so that your attempts at just waiting at the lock for it to unjam would be a tedious job and prevent exploitation of the system). Moreover locks would have a chance for a critical failure that would immediately jam the lock despite if it was you first attempt, and critical success, which could occur at any point during the time it takes to pick the lock -- both of these chances would be very small.

This system would also be fit for hacking.


Difficulty settings:


The difficulty setting would affect the following: Staring points of skills (this would work so that easy players would be able to max out almost everything and the harder you go the less you can max and the more you need to rely on specialization) and the gaps between the levels, the availability and prices of supplies (money, weapons, ammo, armor, meds, food etc), the number of enemies encoutered, starting health, slight changes on damage and enemy health modifiers, the severity of negative effects (crippled limbs etc).


TL;DR?

Make the game lean less towards the TES style of gameplay - find a better middleground in between - to create a greater diversity between the two franchises.

The END...



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Companions
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Companions:

Have charisma determine how many companions we can get.

Have companions have interactive dialogue between each other and have some dialogue locked out until we advance in certain quests or go to certain areas or speak to certain people. (In order to have them always have "something" to say, I hated how I could deplete companion dialogue so easily in FNV)

Have at least a dozen (preferabely more) companions and have some that doesn't like each other. (Not every companion has to be a book of text but none of them should be just a line of text either, simply needs more companions for conflicting interests and morals to work.)

Have companions have their own morals, have each of them have ultimatums during certain quests, like if you want to help J instead of M your companion will tell you that he/she/it cannot believe you want to side with J and says that they'll leave if you side with them. (Companions have their own morals, they should stand by everything we do.)

Have certain companions be very strict with what they will equip. (Like Boone, he should've been more attached to his Hunting Rifle and refused to change to something else because of this sole connection he has to his past.)

Don't follow the same formula of 1 SM, 1 ghoul, 1 animal and 1 robot, switch it up a little, maybe 2 ghouls, 1 super mutants, 2 animals and no robot companions.
Just no more of that same formula, it's getting predictable and boring. It can very well still be a Fallout game without a robot or animal or super mutant companion.

Have certain companions have defects and specialized skills, like Cassidy, if you gave him Psycho or Jet he would suffer a heartattack and die.
It makes for more realism to not have everyone be in top shape.

And certain companions should have other skills to help you out, Arcade for example should have been able to hack computers for you, he should also have been able to perform First Aid and Doctor once a day if you've run out of stimpacks, hydra and doctors bags. I know there are companions perks, but those are always passive, I want active companion skills too.



SPECIAL
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Change in SPECIAL:

Strength:
  • Each point in strength raises carry weight.
  • It increases Blade, Blunt and HtH damage too. Say a weapon has 5 in STR requirement, that means that it's damage presented will be the norm, now, if you have 6 in STR you get a 0.10x bonus in damage, meaning a weapon that requires 3 in STR req gets a whopping bonus of 0.70x in damage.
    It also works the other way, so if a weapon has 5 in STR req and you have 4 then you get -0.15x in damage.
  • Strength also affects the chance at which you can be knocked down, and also decides how much recoil a weapon will have if you meet the soft requirement for the weapon or above.





Perception:
  • Perception affects your accurcy, the less you have the worse you'll shoot, the more you have the more of a bonus you'll get towards accurcy.
  • Perception also allows you to see traps better, meaning that if you don't meet the PER requirement to see the trap or don't have a sufficient Traps skill then the trap will be invisible to you until something trips it. (same with mines.)
  • At gas areas where the gas can be ignited will only show it's blurryness if you have 4> in PER.
  • PER allows you to notice of a food or drink item has been tampered with. (Survival also affects that.) ((This is mostly for certain quests.))
  • It decides at what distance enemies will show up.
  • If you have 2 or less in PER then everything from 70 meters away will be somewhat blurry. (If you have 1 or 2 in PER then glasses give x2 PER.)





Endurance:
  • How much your health will be through the entire game. (Base health is 50, each END give +15 HP) ((You no longer get any more HP from leveling up, the END you have will this time around actually be important.))
  • How fast action points generate
  • How much stamina you have for sprinting.
  • Poison and radiation resistance.
  • Chem addiction resistance.





Charisma:
  • Charisma affects Nerve stat for companions which determines how much they will follow orders and how strong they are.
  • It also affects the number of companions you can hire.
  • NPC's in the game follow a "personal rep" meter this time around, meaning that if you for example help that rancher guy in Novac to find out what is killing his brahmins and solve the quest then you get +20 personal rep with him and +10 with everyone else in the town.
    The personal rep will decide the NPC's attitude towards you, how big the reward will be, how much of a discount you'll get and of course; When a NPC will give you a quest. (Boone for example would not give you his personal quest until your rep is at 50 with him, meaning you have to solve other quests in the town before his open up.)
    But here is where charisma comes in. CHA decides the base personal rep with NPC's, 5 is neutral, 6 means +5 and 10 means +20 in initial person rep with all NPC's in the game, while 4 means -10 and 1 means -40.
    Personal rep is also affected by other things like what faction you've helped or messed with, how much you buy items from stores (not sell, but buy), if you're female or male, if you have six appeal, black widow, lady killer, confirmed bachelor and cherchez le femme. (Might also count towards other perks, like Tribal Wisdom will inherently give +5 personal rep with any and all tribals in the game upon selecting it.)
    Personal rep is a very cranky thing, you can be loved by the entire town but because you accidentally made a joke about the bartenders late wife he'll still hate you.
    So NPC's will remember things, not everything is in the collective factions anymore but their personal opinions about you. (Though Faction reputation will still exist and still have a large importance.)
    So Charisma helps out with giving you a nice boost to this.
    And with a mid-high level CHA perk you only get half as much negative personal rep from people when you do them ill.





Intelligence:
  • Intelligence affects how many skill points you receive from skill books.
  • It affects how much of a bonus you will receive from skill magazines and how long it will be.
  • It affects a lot more dialogue options.
  • It determines how many skill points you'll receive.
  • It also have effect on how whether other highly intelligent characters in the game will think of you. (Personal rep) If you have a low INT they will consider you a savage and won't bother discussing things with you.





Agility:
    Affects:
  • jumping height
  • jumping length
  • fall damage
  • reload speed
  • close combat attack speed
  • Total amount of action points.





Luck
  • Determines how often/seldom you will receive critical failures: getting knocked down, getting twice as long poison length, accidentally dropping a weapon, getting blocked despite high Blunt and STR, receiving critical hits et cetera.
  • Determines your luck on the gambling table.
  • Determines how successful you'll be when you try to smuggle something in without a high Deception skill.
  • Determines how lucky/unlucky you'll be at the operating table. (quest wise when NPC's can be healed Luck will affect your performance despite your skill, so with Luck 1 you might accidentally kill Caesar even with 100 Medicine. (Luck overpowers any skill your character may have, cause no matter how skilled she/he is Luck is cosmic, it doesn't care how skilled you are, you have bad luck then bad things will happen to you.)
  • 1 Luck means you have a 0.1% chance to choke on an edible item and die.
  • Luck affects how successful your sneak attempt will be. (With a bad luck the logical conclusion is that a top ninja could still mess up despite his training.)
  • Just a veeeery little thing but: it affects how often NPC's will accidentally give you a bit more in quest reward due to them counting wrong. (High luck) Might just be 6 stimpacks when you were suppose to only get 5, or it might be 50 caps extra because the quest giver overlooked how much money he actually had at hand.



Overall it means that with a bad luck the game will curbstomp you, and with good luck it will pleasure you. (Does not mean it's insta-win by any means, just means you'll be more lucky here and there.)



Skills
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This is the skill list I would like to see for Fallout 4.

01. Blade
02. Blunt
03. Hand to Hand

04. Guns
05. Chemical Weapons

06. Explosives
07. Energy Weapons

08. Persuasion
09. Deception
10. Barter

11. Gambling (Only if gambling minigames are removed)
12. Chemistry (Primarily crafting but has other uses too.)
13. Mechanics (cosmetic change from Repair (Includes some aspect of Science as well))

14. Pilot (Only if Vehicles are present.)
15. Electronics
16. Medicine

17. Survival
18. Outdoorsman (Only if a map node system is in place with world travel)
19. Hacking
20. Lockpicking

21. Steal
22. Sneak
23. Traps (Only if there is a good amount of traps and we can craft and use our own.)
24. Armorer

Now let me explain them.

1. While swords (fencing) and knifes are different combat styles I'd rather not make a long list too long, but bladed weapons and blunt weapons function differently.
Blunt weapons use brute force to crush the enemy, while bladed weapons, which are mostly knifes, aren't really a strong suit for someone to charge a deathclaw with.
So Blade is mostly the stealth skill, an assassin skill, but there "are" weapons that are of more impact that you can use like swords, machetes and fire axes but they are harder to find. Spears go in this skill too, they function completely different but again, the skill list is already long, better to just throw them in here. Thrown spears on the other hand are governed by the Throwing skill.

2. Blunt, the omega to it's alpha, the straight forward brute skill, heavier, louder, stronger, while Blade weapons have a greater critical chance, critical damage and a bleed effect the Blunt skill's weapons are high DAM but slower and not very suitable for sneaky kills.

3. Basically Unarmed with a name change, think it freshens it up a little. It's core design is the same but it would be nice with more combat moves and to be able to kick like in the old games. (And kick down doors as well. )

4. Throwing, now throwing is a tricky skill and most definitely an under dog when compared to the rest, but I still think that players should be given the option to specialize in a less valid combat skill if they choose to, but the skill will support grenades as well.
Grenades are governed by this skill AND Explosives skill, they are combo weapons, if you have 200 in Throwing you will be just as proficient with grenades as you would with 200 in Explosives, on the other hand, if you have 200 in both skills you don't get any duplicate bonus for it, 200 in one skill means you've learned how to use them to perfection, you can't learn "double perfection". So while governed by both, leveling both is unnecessary.

6. Chemical Weapons, this weapon skill includes all fire based weapons chemical weapons, fire included, Flame Gun, Flame Rifle, Flamer, Incinerator, Incendiary Grenade et cetera.
It should be it's own skill because fire based weapons does not fit in any other skill (Except incendiary grenade).
If you build in this skill you will have it easier and have it harder, the damage of the weapons is quite large but the problem is their ammo consumption.
They're also "rare'ish". You can get the Flame Gun easily of course but the rest is a lot harder to come by.

9. Why o why is Big Guns on the list? Cause it should be, Big Guns governs all BIG weapons, just like it has done before, but this skill is completely filled with combo weapons.
If you have 200 in Guns you can use minigun to perfection, but if you have 200 in Big Guns you can use minigun AND the rest of the big weapons to perfection.
So Minigun is still a Guns, Gatling Laser is still an Energy Weapon, and GMG is still an Explosive, but this skill let's you use all of them.

10/11. Why the split of Speech? Because they're both different. Persuasion means you know how to persuade people it has a lot more dialogue options than deception does, but deception governs the success rate of disguising yourself, the game should of course need more infiltration missions in order for disguises to be more of use.
Anyway, just cause you're a smooth talker don't mean you have a poker face, they're both different, and should be split so.
Deception also means you know where to hide stuff on yourself and not making them "stand out" and can smuggle items.

13. I think that Gambling should be reinstated and that the minigames should be removed, I hate the minigames, if I want to play black jack I'll go online and find a game to play. Gambling should be based on character skill, not player skill, so yes, back with Gambling.

14. Chemistry is a crafting skill primarily, with this one you know how to craft various drugs, poisons, acids and other items.
Chemistry should also have it's quest and event sequences, maybe there's some mold on a beam supporting a house and your character figures out that he can use chemical component #42 and apply it to the mold which creates acid and therefor eats away at the beam, collapsing the house. (Dunno how this would work or if it even could work but yknow, have certain moments where a high Chemistry skill can come in handy.)

15. Mechanics is a renamed Repair, functions basically the same way, it has a bit of Science in it as well, but mostly it's a cosmetic change.
Well, that is IF we have vehicles. If we do have vehicles in FO4 then this skill will come in handy for repairing vehicles and sabotaging others.

16. Pilot, well... Vehicles, if they're in the game then the Pilot skill determines how good your character is at steering the vehicle and how far he can jump with it and other things. (I'm not very interested in cars so I don't know what a good driver can do with a car really.)

17.

Electronics said:
Another use for Electronics is of course quest specifics.
Example, you want to infiltrate an okay tech base of a faction, with electronics you know how to work the wires and can cut the power, disabling all equipment in there that is supported by electricity. (Computers, turrets, electronic locks, et cetera)
You can of course turn the power back on after you're done.

Another example.
There is a pretty awesome mounted gun (Think Howitzer Cannon but more high tech) that a faction has, by rewiring the cables you can make this thing stop working, you can set up a trap and make it so that this thing overloads in power and blows up, or you can use it as an alternative to firing the thing.

Yknow, quest specifics.

And as other have said: Crafting energy ammo, electronic lockpicks and other electricity powered items.


18. Medicine... I'd rather have First Aid and Doctor back but there are already so many skills on here.

20. If we have a map node system with random encounters then this skill will function just like in the old games.

21. Hacking, what it sounds like, you can hack any computer interface with a deep coded lock.

23. Steal, I think that Steal should be brought back, but if brought back then there should be a lot more moments where can steal something of value.
Not necessarily of $ value but rather quest value, say someone has a key on himself, you could either disguise yourself with Deception and say you're a new high ranking officer, you could use Electronics to turn off the lights by cutting some wires and have him lured to the wires trying to fix it and shocking himself unconseaus(???) you could smooth talk him with Persuasion or you could use the Steal skill to take it from him.

22. Sneak only means you're great at keeping yourself undetected, it does NOT mean you're a great thief and it does NOT you know how to conceal items better.
Just means your footsteps are that of a mouse and you blend in with the darkness, mainly for getting around undetected and to silently kill things.

25. And finally, Traps, first off, traps should be more deadly, secondly, there should be more of them, ranging from a huge log chained to the ceiling to an alarmed door.
So for the skill to be worth it let there be more traps, hell, let there be moments (not a lot) were you can't even continue further in a building until you've disarmed the trap.
You can also create traps of your own, and yes, they are very deadly.

23. (This thing is a mess..) Armorer, used for crafting new armors and for reinforcing old ones and generally maintaining armors, this means that Mechanics/Repair does NOT repair armors, it's all decided on this skill. So if you have a low Armorer but high Mechanics/Repair then you'll be crap at repairing armors but great at repairing weapons.


Skill cap should be 200. (I'd rather have it at 300 though.)


Hmm, the Electronics skill could also provide the player with a perk later on that allows to convert robots and turrets to the PC's side.
Could be useful for a pacifist to walk around with 5 Mr Gutsy's and not having to do much fighting themselves.
Of course, repairing the robot is still governed by Mechanics though.
And the robots don't get "any" +damage or +health when they're with the PC, they're only meant to be temporary.

And bad karma you brought up another good point, Chemistry could allow to create a stronger form of acid capable of destroying the lock of a container, but with an insufficient skill proficiency the PC would not be able to rescue the items in time until the acid destroyed them too.
Hmm, I'm thinking of clorophome for it as well so we can abduct people for quests and giggles. The greater the skill the more potent it is and the longer the abductee is unconscious.

Could see lots of fun coming from these two skills.



Races
Spoiler
Let us choose what race to be in Fallout 4.

Start out with:
* Wastelander > Prime Normal (race trait)
* Super Mutant > Nightkin (race trait)
* Android

* Ghoul
* Trog

Android (UnDeCafIndeed + Gabriel)
Pro's
- Base HP (before endurance effect) x1.5
- Double effects from endurance
- +1 to Str, End and Per (changed my mind with the perception)
- +5 initial DT
- Does not require SLP/FOD/H2O
- +2 to detecting enemies on radar (10 real PER = 12 PER for the detecting enemies)
- Unique perks exclusive to Androids
- Immune to radiation and poison

Con's
- Base skillpoint gain halved (if the formula is 10+(intx0.5), it would be 5+(intx0.5) for androids)
- Perks one level later than others (if normal rate is 1:2, for android it'd be 1:3)
- -2 to max int and cha
- When lit on fire, it lasts twice aslong as with others, though fire does not do more damage than normally
- Does require ENRG and SYN
- Pulse or Tesla or Shock weapons inflict twice as much damage on Androids.
- Harder to heal oneself due to very expensive mechanics NPC's and expensive healing items.
- Harder to find healing supplies, those one does find (scrap metal/electronics) does very little to heal oneself
- Very reliant on Electronics and Mechanics which means Android players might have a slightly/heavily limited amount of skills.



Wastelander
Pro's
* Bonus to initial reaction from humans.

Con's
* Initial reaction from mutants and ghouls halved.

Wastelanders have no greater pro's nor con's over the other races, they are the default race, basically, they are the SPECIAL 5.5.5.5.5.5.5.
The race with the most freedom but also with the least bonuses and penalties.

Prime Normal trait tweaks:
Pro's
* +1 INT
* +1 CHA
* Persuasion, Deception, Barter, Electronics, Mechanics and hacking gain x1.5 (This meanas that with this race trait and the normal trait Good Natured you can get a massive head start on support skills with the extreme drawback to combat skills.)

Con's
* Endurance effects with +% to rad and poison resistance is halved.
* All combat skills are decreased by x1.5



Super Mutant
Pro's
* Base health x2.5 (Base health is 100 in FO3 and NV so it's 250 for Super Mutants.)
* +5 to min STR (6 is the lowest, can't go lower than that. (How much sense would it make for a super mutant with 3 in strength?)
* x1.5 damage with all blunt weapons and Hand to Hand weapons.
* x1.5 reloading speed and equipment speed with big weapons (minigun, flamer, gatling laser)
* Immunity to Radiation and +30% poison resistance.
* +10% damage resistance against laser, explosives, bullets and fire.

Con's
* -6 to max INT (V87 super mutant = dumb dumb by even Tabithas dumb dumb's standards.)
* -4 to max CHA
* Due to super mutants hostility towards humans a lot of them will kill SM's on sight and the rest will be very suspicious of you.
* Cannot use smaller weapons. (SMG's, pistols, revolvers, sawn off shotguns et cetera.)
* Has veeeeeery few armors in the game.


Nightkin trait tweaks: (Sebor13 + Gabriel)
Pro's
* Stealthboys last twice as long and can be used two times before depletion. (Perk later on can allow to recharge depleted stealthboys.)
* Have a greater chance to find stealthboys in random container spawns.
* x2.0 sneak. (If base sneak with tagged is 30 then it becomes 60)
* +1 min AGI

Con's
* health is x1.5
* +3 to min STR
* -2 CHA for super mutant NPC's. (Due to the schizophrenia.)
* You occasionally hear whispers and enemy voices and can see random red dots pop up on the compass while there is nothing there. (Craziness.)
* Friendly NPC's can also show up as hostile dots on the radar.




Ghoul (UnDeCafIndeed + Gabriel)
Pro's
* Each tagged skill earns 2.5 more skill points than for other races. (Ghouls have after all lived for a very very long time.) (So if base is 15 then it means 37 per tagged skill)
* Machines that use "detect life" scanners cannot see them. (Thanks to Broken Steel that made ghouls have 0% body heat...)
* Gain exclusive perks surrounding radiation bonuses. (Healing crippled limbs, storing radiation, unleashing a radiation cloud like Glowing Ones can, stuff like that.) (Hell, every race except for Wastelanders and Prime Normals should get exclusive perks for their races.)
* 100% radiation resistance.
* Radiation heals over time (slowly). (Both health and crippled limbs.)
* Kinsman ability, feral ghouls and aggressive SM's are more likely to leave the player alone if not provoked (not being friendly, just having a possibility to be less agressive and ignore the player).
* Bonus to initial reaction for non-feral ghouls, neutral/friendly SM's and human ghoulsympathisers (excluding characters with set mindsets).

Con's
* Cannot wear heavy armor or power armor.
* -1 to Charisma (I saw that thing on Arcanum about "beauty" and I think that would suit ghouls better but since we only have Charisma I guess this'll have to do.)
* -1 to Agility. (They aren't exactly the best gymnastics, they'd probably lose a limb if entering the OS. )
* -2 to max Endurance.
* No natural DT or DR.
* +15% recieved damage.
* (those two due to skin and flesh conition)
* Initial reaction from humans halved (other than ghoulsympathisers).
* Slower movement than humans.



Troglodyte
Pro's
* +7 DT (due to their thick skin
* Sees better in dark areas
* x1.5 to Traps, Survival skills
* x1.5 to base health
* +2 to min END
* x3.0 to END effects. (Radiation and poison resistance.)
* Gain no penalties to any races initial reactions, Trogs are neutral with all other races. (Ferals and krazies can still attack them but are not "as" likely to do so.)

Con's
* Takes longer time to adjust to bright areas when leaving a dark area
* -2 to max ITN
* -2 to max CHA
* -2 to max AGI
* Gains no bonuses to initial reactions.



Unlootable Armors
Spoiler
Unlootable armor/clothing:
* If you explode the enemies head then their headgear is destroyed.
* If you shoot off an arm, leg or explode the entire body then the armor is destroyed too.
* If an enemies armor reaches 0 CND then it becomes broken beyond repair, so even if you don't chop off a limb the armor might still be unlootable.

This means that it's best to go for headshots and try to get as little "splatter" as possible.



No more health for leveling up
Spoiler
Here's a wild idea, how about having fixed player health?
No +hp per level.
The only way to get an increase in health is by taking Intense Training>Endurance, Lifegiver or getting an Endurance implant.
If they balance the enemies health, damage and armor around this fixed health then it could produce a more balanced combat.

So it's base health + ENDx#.
Say that base health is 50 and each END gives +5, this means that top health for a lvl 1 player is 100.
By getting Lifegiver we get +15 more health and by taking rank two we get +15 more.
The max amount of health is then 130 for the player character.

This means that armor is far more important than it was before and if balanced right then even regular small time raiders could become a challenge if the player isn't careful.
Right now I feel that END is pointless, it used to give more health per level the higher it was, now all it does is increase base health, so if it's gonna stay that way then remove the +hp per level and balance the game's combat around it.

(All weapon stats will of course have to be changed.)

Why I would like this is because I feel that humans should be humans, this doesn't necessarily mean realistic combat (headshot=instakill) but the player character should not be able to walk around like a god because he/she has 500% more health than the average human in the game.
So the player character can get better in his/her skills and get perks and traits (which a large amount of NPC's should have as well.) but we don't magically become a bullet sponge.

It's just that, how come we can walk around with a ridiculous amount of health while the NPC's don't get to?
I understand that with better Endurance we can withstand more damage, but how do we magically get this +health increase per level?
We should not be any better with health than other humans are.
Why should we? Cause we're the player character? Yeah, we've seen how balanced that turned out in FO3 and FONV.
It all depends on your and enemies END stat.
If an NPC has 8 END and a metal armor MK II it means that it's a tough son of a [censored].
If he wields a minigun then we should fear for out lives.

So say we find 5 raiders, three of them have END 6 while two have END 3.
Their health is: 80+80+80+65+65.
Your character has END 8, it's 90.
Total amount of health is 370 versus 90.
Depending on your equipment and theirs they can present a tremendous challenge.
The strength is in numbers, the more enemies you face the harder they will become.
Cause while facing one of them is reasonable since you both have the same amount of health facing 5 means their health tops yours.

Make combat more exciting by making all humans equal, all depending on what armor and END stat we/they have.

Only problem I see for this is those that "want" demi-god characters.
But yknow what?
If you want a demi-god then turn the difficulty down to Very Easy AKA Cakewalk.

Note: I know I can nerf myself, thing is, I shouldn't have to, the game should be balanced towards making a challenge to the player.
Extra Note: I know that this might seem unorthodox(Is this the right word?) for an RPG but what harm comes out of it? We can still improve our health if we wish to it's just that we don't get such an absurd health over other humans.
Third Note: Players are given health every tenth level. ENDx0.5hp. At level 40 the total amount of a 10 END character is +20hp. (if cap is at 50 then the total health a player can earn is 155. (Which is well over any human character. Still less than super mutants, trogs, deathclaws or giant radscorpions though.)



Disadvantages (Yay for self enforced perma-nerf)
Spoiler
Add Disadvantages to the character creation.
Disadvantages are strictly negative features for those of us who want to roleplay or gimp our characters permanently.
So if we think that we are too powerful then at our next character we can pick the Bad Health disadvantage which lowers our base health by half.
Or we could pick the Barely Stabilized disadvantage which removes any health given by level ups.
Giving enough variations of Disadvantages we can optimize the game more for our preference and us who want it to be harder can make it so by permanent gimps.
Those who does not wish to use these don't have to.
You can pick as many Disadvantages as you want.
Examples:
* Enemies give twice as much damage.
* Poisons are twice as lethal. Rank 2: Trice as lethal. Rank 3: Four times as lethal.
* Limbs have 50% less maximum health.
* Permanently cripple [limb]. 6 ranks.
* Enemies reload 20% faster. Rank 2: 40%.
* Enemies run 10% faster. Rank 2: 20%. Rank 3: 30%.
* Enemies attack 10% faster. Rank 2: 20%. Rank 3: 30%. Rank 4: 40%. Rank 5: 50%.
* Stimpacks heal slower on hardcoe Mode.
* Food Items no longer give health.
* Water no longer give health.
* Radiation intake it doubled. Rank 2: Trippled. Rank 3: quadrupled. (Base rad 2rads/1sec, rank 1: 4rads/1sec, rank 2: 6rads/sec, rank 3: 8rads/sec.)
* Healing items are more expensive to buy.
* Radaways are rarer to buy.
* Critical failure is more likely to happen. Rank 2: likelier (This is a real word?).

By giving us this new self imposed permanent gimp feature we can create our own balance in the game and tweak it the way we want to.
Sure, we're suppose to play the game according to the game's set rules, but if you as developers fail to create good rules to follow that are balanced then we who are on consoles are [censored] all out of luck, cause at least PC users can get mods to tweak their balance.
This new mechanic is needed for us who want to create our own balance on consoles and maybe even PC, for us who feels that the game isn't hard enough and want to make it harder.
Sure, I can choose to, in Vegas and FO3, to avoid buying the radaways, but it feels like I'm locking myself out of the games content.
I cannot play the game as I want to play it.
If I find radaways I want to be able to buy them without worrying about breaking the balance.
So how are these permanent gimps different?
Well, they're permanent, for us who are weak willed and are bad at imposing limitations on ourselves this is a great solution.
Cause once we create the character then the damage is done, no matter how much I want to find 200 radaways I simply won't be able to.
It's like a bandaid, imposing limitations on ourselves as it currently stand can be like pulling it off very slowly and then placing it back on the skin and slowly pulling it off again, it's annoying and slightly painful.
But these disadvantages are like pulling it clean off, once you've checked the ones you want and finish character creation then the changes has been made.
I for one am bad at imposing limitations on myself, when I find a new great weapon I want to be able to use it without having to worry about enemies becoming too easy to kill, so with Disadvantages I can check the box to make them have more health or DT or maybe lower my own damage by 10 to 50%.

I see no reason why this shouldn't be included.
Might take some coding and scripting to fix but once done it can really help people like me.
And if you don't like it, then you don't have to use it.
Win win in my eyes.

"But isn't like that now? If you don't want it to be unbalanced then don't use the good stuff?"
Yup, it is, but why shouldn't I be able to use the good stuff?
By including this new feature I can use the good stuff and still have it balanced.
I can choose to use any high level items, perks, armors, weapons, meds and chems I want to.
And if I checked a lot of Disadvantages at the start of the game then even though I use these high level stuff I can still have it balanced.

"But won't they have to balance the game towards these?"
No, they won't. The reason for these is to simply make it harder in a vast variety of ways for the player.
It's only there for us who think the base game is not balanced.
So they only have to focus on balancing the Vanilla in their own way and leave it up to us to balance it out in our way with Disadvantages later if we feel that it isn't balanced.

And I don't think that too much time and resources will be spent on this.
They're basically like perks, just the other way around.
Can't be too hard to design, code, script, blabla for professional developers right?

[edit]

You get to relocate your disadvantages at lvl 10, 20 and 30 (every 10 levels).
Cause in case one disadvantage didn't turn out the way you expected you can still relocate it later on.
Would be kinda bad if you gimp yourself on a couple of things then at lvl 13 figure out it did not turn out the way you intended it to and are now stuck with that character or have to restart your entire character.
So you will be able to respec Disadvantages but you won't be able to do it any time you want to, you get 4 chances, one at creation and 3 more at each 10 levels.



I do NOT want
Spoiler
So I've said tons of stuff I "want".
Time for stuff I absolutely do NOT want:

No Enclave as major faction, minor or like in New Vegas with remnants is fine.
No cover behind chest high wall mechanic unless it's completely optional. (Meaning I don't get shot dead four times over for not spurting from cover to cover.)
No automatic regeneration of health at the get go. Only allow that through perks and implants. And even then somewhat limited.
No linear game design a la FO3 where we're forced to join a faction we don't want to join.
No Liberty Prime or Oblivion ending where I don't get to do crap.

Don't continue the game past the ending, that's an Elder Scrolls thing, not a Fallout thing. Fallout needs to have lots and lots of ending sliders that tell the tale of the wasteland after we're done affecting it. Allowing us to continue will just devalue those ending sliders or the ending sliders will follow ES design and "not" change the world, which Fallout is all about; Changing the world.

No perk every level. And no perk every other level if the cap is higher than 30. Make it every third and make them more powerful instead.
No slow-mo feature, this isn't Max Payne.
No Matrix jumping around crap, this isn't Wet.
Don't merge Guns and EW, this isn't Elder Scrolls.
Do NOT allow us to get pregnant or have a child, a baby takes 9 months, this isn't Fable.

Don't allow us romance options in the game if the writing for that romance isn't loooooooong and very greatly written. (Long enough that it doesn't just "stop" like companions do after we've exhausted their dialogue options and personal quests.)

Don't allow us to buy shops here and there, this isn't Fable. Allow us to buy "maybe" ONE shop, and have another one where a guy wants to go into a partnership with you where he does all the paperwork and you do the more practical things.

No realistic health and headshots as default, have that in a [Realism Mode] or exclude it completely.
No bullet sponges.
No more "[Intelligence 8] So you fight the good fight with your voice?" *shudders*
No more super mutants that can be killed with a freaking hunting rifle.
No more 1 damage from a super mutant fist to the face.
No more level scaling.
No more dungeons every 40 meters.
No more generic Raiders, all groups in the game has to have a name and some lore building to them through notes, dialogue, quests and audio logs.





Well I'm bored again so on with light armor.
Spoiler

Got bored so made this here WIP:

Neutral Armor

Neutral Clothing (Light Armor):

Mechanic jumpsuit
Brahmin-skin outfit
Dirty Chinese Jumpsuit
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Buisnessware
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Casualware
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Parkstroller outfit
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Relaxedware
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Spring Outfit
Lab Coat
Merc Adventurer Outfit
Merc Charmer Outfit
Merc Cruiser Outfit
Merc Grunt Outfit
Merc Troublemaker Outfit
Merc Veteran Outfit
*NEW* Merc Legend Outfit
Naughty Nightware
Red Racer Jumpsuit
Sheriff's Duster
Slave Outfit
RobCo Jumpsuit
Roving trader Outfit
sixy Sleepware
Sleepware
Scientist Outfit
Wasteland Doctor's Fatigues
Wasteland Legend Outfit
Wasteland Scout Outfit
Wasteland Settler Outfit
Wasteland Surgeon Outfit
Wasteland Wanderer Outfit
Caravaneer Outfit
Flightsuit
*NEW* Tuxedo
Enclave Officer Outfit (part of challenge/quest to learn about the Enclave)
*NEW* Fancy Suit
Lab Coat
Field Hand Outfit
Patient Gown
Prosepctor's Outfit
Settler Outfit
*NEW* Duster Coat (just an ordianry one)

Neutral Light Armor:

Leather Armor
Leather Armor Reinforced Mk I
*NEW* Leather Armor Reinforced Mk II
Raider Blastmaster Armor
Raider Badlands Armor
*NEW* Leather Rebel Amor (similar to leather rebel in The Pitt)
Lightweight Leather Armor
Radiation Suit
Advanced Radiation Suit
All purpose Science Suit
*NEW* Lightweight Combat Armor (Pads appear slimmer and slight less of it)
*NEW* Vault Engineer Outfit (not a vault jumpsuit like a super construction outfit)


Neutral Medium Armor:

Combat Armor
Combat Armor Reinforced Mk I
Combat Armor Reinforced Mk II
Recon Armor
Lightweight Metal Armor

Neutral Heavy Armor:

Metal Armor
Metal Armor Reinforced
*NEW* Super Metal Armor (like a combination of metal armor and the mechanists armor)
T-45d Power Armor (only a few no brotherhood forms)
T-51b Power Armor (Very rare to find neutral)
Enclave Power Armor (found in challenge/quest to learn about the Enclave) 1 copy
Tesla Armor (found in challenge/quest to learn about the Enlcave) 1 copy
Enclave Hellfire Armor (found in challenge/quest ato learn about the Enclave) 1 copy

Alright that should be it for now.

I would gladly take any suggestions, and will eventually make something for faction armor, vault apparel, hats, helmets, and face wear.



could you three please encase you're long posts in spoiler tags like this especially when you are just re-posting something from a previous thread.
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