Fallout 4: Speculation, Suggestions and Ideas #31

Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:21 am

Fallout 4: Speculation, Suggestions and Ideas

Thread #31

This topic is for ideas and suggestions for Fallout 4 so that we can keep all the discussion in one thread. Other very general idea/suggestion topics for a future Fallout game will either be closed, or moved to this one.

This thread should be used to discuss items you'd like to see in a future game, gameplay tweaks, quest ideas, things you hope are not in the next game and so on. If you want to discuss major issues, use a separate topic - such as the discussion about adding multi-player or co-op play, which already has a thread. Please search first to see if there is an active/recent thread on a particular topic.

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Here are my ideas for a game I think should be named Fallout 4: Chicago.

Spoiler

From my forum that got closed:

Note that these ideas are for a game that ALSO features Detroit and St. Louis, Chicago is just the focus.

I have been playing around with some faction ideas for a Chicago game but they keep getting buried in the suggestions thread.

The Syndicate-
After the Great War dozens of gangs took control of Chicago and in 2254 the Enclave Chicago outpost managed to unite them under the Treaty of Chicago, forming the Syndicate. They had decided there symbol would be a crow rising into the air. The Syndicate is one of the most rich and powerful groups in the MW, they are never attacked or challenged by any other faction. That is except the Radiation...

The Radiation-
When the Brotherhood (The name of exBoS members in Van Buren, I thought it would suit the MWBoS) began killing mutants (Barnaky Ending) a large number of ghouls band together to form the Radiation. There symbol is the symbol for radiation. They believe that the Great War was humanities next step in evolution and ghouls were meant to take over the planet. The Radiation also has managed to make born ghouls (also from Van Buren) and they use captured humans as slaves. They have one major base in a lab near Chicago called the Reservation (I know it’s copied from Van Buren), and another in the ruins of the Wright and Patterson Air Force Base.

The Mutant Liberation Army-
A group of mutants who banded together to fight the fascist Brotherhood. Over the years they have grown from a resistance to a powerful faction. They are based out of St. Louis where an actual government is being formed.

The Brotherhood-
The MWBoS after the Barnaky Ending, they would have had absolute control over the MW if the MLA and the Radiation hadn't been formed. They once had such large numbers that they could regularly patrol most of their territory but now almost all of their troops are pinned down in bunkers and settelments. Their symbol is a steel ring with two BoS symbol swords through it in an X formation.

Talon Company-
With Talon Company gaining very negative reputation from their gruesome work in the Capital Wasteland (Known by Talon Company as the Capital Incident) they decided to spread west. Along the way they became rivals with the Red Hands, a large mercenary group from the MidWest similar to Talon Company. Although they still fight from time to time they have decided to make Chicago mark the borders of their turf.


(EDIT)- Adding in others ideas.

Caesar's Legion- (Meghan and I)
They wouldn't have a large presence in the game, only having outposts in the southwest corner of the map but everybody is becoming more and more worried about a full scale invasion.

Sons of Odin- (Mercman)
A large raider group that originated in the Great Lake Area, but their sites are now set on Chicago.


RMS Tribe- (Gabriel177dan)
The RMS tribe is a modern-esque slaver/tribal band of women.
They enslave men and force them to work in their mines and on their fields to gather as much materials as possible which they sell to other settlements in exchange for weapons.
No one really knows about their slavery.
The most outsiders know is that men are not allowed into their lands, and the women which enter always join them.
The name comes from a robot they worship, named Robotic Memories Storage, but it's acronym is what they took their name as.
The robot has the memories of a very influential writer in pre-war politics, though he did have great plans for how to exploit resources to their full potential he was a... Erm... Well... Man [censored]... A true sixist which considers women nothing more but [censored] toys.
But he isn't stupid; he knows that his charm and wits can win over any woman just like in the old world.
He uses these women for his own pleasure and for his grander goal: To tap out any and all resources.
They will be a fairly large faction (size-wise) and have a great deal of land.
They will use mid-high tier weapons, come in good numbers and have great tactics.
They mostly use their own customized leather armors. (Several variations)

If you're male, you will be enslaved and get a quest to get out.
If you're female, you can join up with them.

They are not the opposite of Caesar's Legion, those are the Daughters Of Hecate.

Vault 98
Due to Chicago's high crime rate. this vault was made up of strict cops, reformed criminals, "good" cops and violent criminals. after some time the violent criminals started a war with the strict cops and after the battle reformed crooks and good cops made a deal to never take sides no matter how good they are. they are also a successful trading town, think of polis from metro 2033.

Bound by Strength
No one knows how they were formed. But they do know they are deadly, their code 'survival of the fittest' means a lot to them they usually attack factions, towns, merchants anybody but if they win the battle instead of the BBS they leave them alone and even try to befriend them. How do they do all this you ask? They found one of the few working factories and made a power armor type armor just without the tech(Agi -2) and use only unarmed type weapons.

The Hooded Foxes
Formed by Canadians and Americans they fought as a terrorist group or freedom fighters depending on who you ask before the great war. they survived by their hideout before the great war payed for by a wealthy Canadian before the annexation. Now they fight any would-be dictator,raider or slaver to make sure people have the choice to be independent.They are a stealthy group mostly with light armor some with medium armor. p.s. they look like badasses think of desert rangers.


The Red Hand- (Niceman Candy and I)
An elite outfit of organized and well-equipped mercenaries who follow the strict orders of an omnipresent leader. Even as far as mercenaries go, they are the most vicious and merciless mercenary group known to exist in the Midwest.

The Red Hand and Talon Company are rivals, with Talon Company controlling almost every contract east of Chicago and the Red Hand controlling everything west. But both factions strike fear into both their targets and employers.


Vault 71 had been composed of 500 happily married couples between the ages of 28-32. Each Vault Dweller was required to take the Standard Vault Citizen Test (SVCT) every year after they reached the age of eighteen (and they were also required to take it before entering the Vault) and they had to receive the Standard Vault Citizen Disease Vaccine, which prevented that person from catching most diseases. At least that was all the Vault Dwellers were told, for 10% of the first generation of them that was completely true but the other 90%s was tampered with so it sterilized them. On the SVCT one question asked whether or not they planned to have two children, only people who answered yes to that and the question of whether or not they were happily married were allowed within the Vault. So everybody who could have a child had two, their annual vaccine was given the chemical that sterilizes them after their second child was born.

So the second generation was only made up of 100 people, the Overseers (Ten people who worked for Vault-Tec's brains were put into robots who ruled the Vault) said this was a state of emergency and claimed to come up with (it was actually all planned, the following was in their instructions) Spouse Week, when the youngest person of that generation turned 18 they all had one week to find a spouse, those who didn't would've been kicked out of the Vault in a time where they were still told it was too dangerous (everybody foudn a spouse), then they were all required to have three children before they turned 32. Nobody could have more or less than four children; everybody was sterilized after the birth of their fourth child.

So the third generation was made up of 200 people, given the same rules. Everybody was in their early forties or late thirties when the Vault was open (it was required to stay shut for 100 years) and they had children that were about ten years old. Their Vault was directly below the townhall of a town near Chicago called Wheaton, after those one-hundred years the front signs W and N faded so (starting as a joke among caravans) they came to be known as HEATO (also because the sign had the name in all capital letters).

They had been given a G.E.C.K. which they used on the large farm next to their town, farming wheat and corn and selling those to caravans for weapons and other needs. For one-hundred and fifteen years it was like that until the Radiation (a large group of ghouls who felt that they have inherited the planet and any humans they find should be punished for their ancestors destroying the planet (dropping the bombs) through slavery) enslaved the entire town.

I was thinking that F4 should have you being a former resident of that town, starting with you being kidnapped by the Radiation and then your escape to a MWBoS controlled town that is soon attacked by the MLA. Then you can chose what you want to do, try and free the citizens of HEATO (which would be a very long quest), help the MWBoS fight the MLA and the Radiation (which gives you the chance to attack the Radiation base with the help of the MWBoS) help the MLA (which also ends up giving you the chance to attack the Radiation), or you can help ghoul activist groups throughout the wasteland and can become an Honorary Ghoul and be allied with the Radiation (that you can chose to exploit and free the people of your town, or not).

By the way, I think the character should be called the Escaped Slave


OK, here's some background information on the locations I put (link to the map is in my sig.)

The Crater-
Use to be the city Madison, it was directly hit by four nuclear bombs. After the Great War all that was left of it was eight blocks to the west, two blocks to the east, three blocks to the north, and four blocks to the south. Everything else is just rubble (but after the war it was brimming with good loot, now only the well hidden stuff is left).

The Ruined City-
Used to be the city of Cincinnati, three nuclear bombs were set to fall on it but one's timer was off and it detonated in the center of the city 150 stories up. The bomber was killed in the explosion, the second and the third bomber's planes crashed in the middle of the countryside. The second's detonated with him in it but the third bomb was a dud and the occupant survived. He became a ghoul, living in small camps, moving every three days and scavenging (finding a dictionary and teaching himself English). When the heavily populated Vault 69 opened (as part of the pun of what it was made for anyway) The Bomber became a legend. He is still around in 2294 (when I hope the game takes place) and you can meet him. He has a special Chinese Pistol that has been modified to cause more damage than the average hunting rifle, but it only holds six shots. There are four ways to get it, convince the Radiation to allow the Bomber to live out his days among them, convince the people of the Ruined City to allow him to live there, kill him, or steal it from him.

As said in the first sentence (I got a little off track) the bomb exploded 150 stories up, destroying everything at that height and above. The people who lived there had decided to call it the Ruined City because of how creepy almost all of the buildings in the downtown area where the same height or shorter. It is the third most populated settlement (behind Chicago and Detroit).

Old World Borders-
Before the Great War 60% of all science labs in the MW moved to a new bunker placed right on the border between West Virginia, Ohio, and Kentucky, it was called the Three Borders Facility (now referred to as Old World Borders). Most of them were very devoted to their work and had agreed to having their brains put into robots so they could continue researching long after they were supposed to die. In the year 2294 they are still working, develpoing newer technologies. Soon after the Great War they had realized the dangers of the waste and most of them had spent 20 years researching newer and better weapons (such as turrets) to improve the facilities protection. If you manage to get inside you will find a ton of powerful technology, but that is nearly impossible.

Vendetta-
The MWBoS had been defeating the MLA, pushing close to their capital (St. Louis) and had made a large camp where thousands of mutants were executed. Within three years the MLA pushed them back and had decided to make the camp a base they called Vendetta, to symbolize their need to avenge those who were murdered there.

Brahmin City-
The main base of caravans trading among one another, named for all of the pack brahmin parked around it. You are more likely to find a good deal here than anywhere else in the wasteland.

Edgeland-
The northern edge of known life. The MWBoS has scouted far north of there and has not found a single settlement or even a living creature. Everything north of there is called the Deadland.

Chicago-
A city completely controlled by the Syndicate, a large number of tribe gangs that are (unknowingly) united under the former members of the Enclave Outpost.

St. Louis-
The capital for the MLA, well protected and where many mutants are trying to form a government.

Champion-
A wealthy town that is well known for its fighting arenas. There are four, the Scrayper (named after Thomas Scrayper, the founder of the first fighting arena in Champion, the only one to offer every form of fighting (melee, unarmed, small guns, and all weapons), the Bloody Blade (a melee fighting arena), the Iron Fist (the unarmed fighting arena), and Weapon's Free (offers a free for all fighting arena, meaning you can use any kind of weapon). The only things in Champion are clinics, weapon dealers, drug dealers (although drugs are illegal in Champion) and, of course, the arenas.

Gale-
A large town that used to be a tribal village, it's enemy was the tribe to the north, now the town of Clinto. They were at war for decades; until the MWBoS showed up and forcibly turned Gale and Clinto into normal towns so their caravans from Napers could have a route to Lance and Vendetta (Vendetta was under the MWBoS control for another seven years after that). They still despise one another, even in 2294 (the year I think the game should take lace).

Clinto-
Founded by a man who changed his name to Clinto after founding the town. He said the people of Gale were brutal, cannibalistic savages (he once lived in Gale but was outcasted for stealing) and he gathered much support over his campaign in eliminating Gale (he holds a pretty big grudge). Generations after he died they still hated Gale, and when it was made into a normal town by the MWBoS they still despised Gale, their parents telling tales of Gale tribals kidnapping children for cultic ceremonies.

Westown-
Brahmin City is the headquarters for all caravan companies but Westown is where many of the smaller ones have warehouses full of their stock (Brahmin City is very expensive, triple what you have to pay in Westown). Westown also is as the "Route to the North" because it is the most direct route to all northern settlements.

Spring-
Once three raider gang lived in that area, the MWBoS captured all of those raiders and forced them to become a town so their caravan route to Lance and Vendetta would be complete. Things have fallen apart without the MWBoS had stopped guarding the town it has fallen into slums ruled by five gangs, the largest gang before the MWBoS had broken down into three smaller gangs. It's one of the mot unsafe settlements in the MW.




I was thinking, maybe there could be a place that worships a Vault that has not opened.

The reason for the Vault not opening could be that the had a teacher that taught them suicide is the way to heaven. And sixteen years after learning that the last of the second generation of Vault Dwellers committed suicide. The first generation was to old to have kids so they all just died, and this cult is worshipping the Vault that would never open (but you can gain access to it and tell them that everybody's dead.


The Iron Lines-
http://fallout.wikia...wiki/Iron_Lines Basically what the wiki says but they live in the area south east of Chicago instead, they are not very open to outsiders but if you approach their village and tell them you are a refugee from the HEATO tribe they will take you in as if you were on of their own.

The Furs-
Crazed tribals who kill descendants of grizzly bears (grizzly bears are called Beasts, Yao Gui are black bears) and wear their fur, which is how they got their name. They are cannibalistic, eating the bodies of the dead so that their souls can escape to heaven; they only eat people that don't die of natural causes when they are a fallen comrade or a fallen enemy. When any of a father's sons or man's brother reach the age of fifteen they must duel to decide who is the head of the family (whether it’s to the death or not is their decision). If you tell them that you are a refugee from the HEATO tribe they will allow you to become a member of their tribe, which will automatically give you the Cannibal trait (which I think should be a trait picked at the beginning of the game instead of a perk given later) if you don't have it already.

The Twisted-
http://fallout.wikia...ki/Twisted_Hair Out of those who were crucified by Caesar only nine managed to escape alive, heading east. They grounded themselves southwest of the Ruined City, annexing a small tribe that lived there. They changed their name to the Twisted instead of the Twisted Hair due to what they did to any CL scout to come into their territory (eleven have, one is still being tortured when you show up). You can tell CL about them (due to none of their scouts returning to tell of the Twisted) and receive a large reward and the chance to join in the fight against them. They will be eliminated by CL whether you join in the fight or not their village is turned into another outpost.

The Norse-
A large raider group who worship Norse Gods and go around slaughtering and taking from those who do not worship the Norse Gods. All raiding parties that run into you are hostile but if you approach their village they will allow you to join them, causing the raiding parties to become neutral. They are very unliked by all other tribals and basically everybody else. If you help Caesar's Legion expand and take over every settlement between their Eastern HQ and the area where the Isolated Tribals live the Norse will allow themselves to be annexed, abandoning their religion in a second.

The Iron Lines-
http://fallout.wikia...wiki/Iron_Lines Basically what the wiki says but they live in the area south east of Chicago instead, they are not very open to outsiders but if you approach their village and tell them you are a refugee from the HEATO tribe they will take you in as if you were on of their own.

The Rusty Hooks-
http://fallout.wikia...iki/Rusty_Hooks They are one of the largest raider gangs in the MW, numbering well into the 200s and having many villages. They are up to the standards of most tribes, although they are well ahead where weaponry is concerned. They possess a large amount of assault rifles, submachine guns, and munitions from a large shipment that crashed the day the bombs fell on the highway near where their raider gang would eventually call their home.

Far Go Traders-
http://fallout.wikia.../Far_Go_Traders Once a trading company in California, when the Crimson Caravan drove them to near bankruptcy they signed a contract with the Legion and worked for them for many years. However once the Legion reached the MW the Far Go Traders branched off, still trading a lot within the Legion but also in the war torn, rich MW. In Brahmin City about 60% of all of those caravans are employed by the Far Go Traders.
In a quest you can secure all trade under the Far Go Traders.

Scorpion’s Bite-
http://fallout.wikia...orpion%27s_Bite A deadly gang of chemists who use their knowledge to make the most powerful and addicting drugs in the MW but also to create the deadliest poisons possible, which they use in dart guns.
Their drugs such as Tranquil, Acro, and Burn (will go into further detail at a later date) are popularly used across the MW. They do not allow any outsiders near their base(that will cause them to go hostile) but are friendly to those they meet in the wasteland or in other settlements.



I had an idea a while ago of the Enclave Remnants in Chicago (who rule the Syndicate) have been testing FEV and are starting to make other monstrous soldiers like Frank Horrigan (which they named them after) but field testing went wrong 80% of the time due to the Enclave trying to make Horrigans so you might come across monstrous supermutants in PA labeled Horrigan MK1, Horrigan MK2, and Horrigan MK3. However towards the end of the game (no matter who you decide to help) The Enclave will have mastered creating them and will have an army of fifty Horrigan MK4s.

I think this, this, and this weapon should be in Fallout 4.

And I think this (as a water based creature), this (I think Savage Beatings would really like this), this, and this (AWESOME!!!) creatures to be in Fallout 4.

And I think that in the Old World Border Facility (bottom right corner of the map in my sig.) should have this, this (should be a robot that patrols around the facility and alert others if they are attacked), this (they're really awesome and can be the remaining scientists current form), this (could be patroling the Old World Border Facility's many vents, unable to alert others though), this (but even more advanced), and this (they seem pretty cool).


Creatures in Fallout 4:
Brahmin
-Baby Brahmin
-Pack Brahmin
-Giant Brahmin
-Giant Pack Brahmin
-Mad Brahmin
-Bull Brahmin
Bighorn
-Baby Bighorn
-Giant Bighorn
Radroach
-Giant Radroach
Radiscorpion
-Giant Radiscorpion
-Baby Radiscorpion
Ghoul
-Feral Ghoul
-Glowing One
-Feral Ghoul Roamer
-Swamp Ghoul
-Desert Ghoul
Supermutant
-Supermutant Brute
-Supermutant Master
-Nightkin
-Nightkin Master
Centaur
-Giant Centaur
Deathclaw
-Giant Deathclaw
-Baby Deathclaw
Gecko
-Baby Gecko
-Giant Gecko
-Sand Gecko
Lakelurk
-Giant Lakelurk
-Baby Lakelurk
-Lakelurk King
Crow
-Giant Crow
Raven
Beast
-Giant Beast
-Baby Beast
Dog
-Vicious Dog
Bull Elk
-Giant Bull Elk
-Baby Bull Elk
Mount Lion
-Giant Mount Lion
-Baby Mount Lion
Giant Ant
-Giant Work Ant
Bloatfly
-Giant Bloatfly


Here's my robot list:

Cyberdog
-Giant Cyberdog
-Feral Cyberdog
Floating Eye
Mr. Gutsy
Mr. Handy
Protectron
-Modified Protectron
Security Bot (Like the Security Robots from Tactics)
Agricola Bot
Scurry Bot
Researcher Mk1

I have decided to come up with 'Wasteland Legends' for a MW Fallout game. Wasteland Legends should also be an in game book which your character can buy and read. It should also list there canon for what each character from each Fallout game did (Vault Dweller, Chosen One, Lone Wanderer, Courier, and the Warrior) along with a bunch of new characters.
Here's the first couple, and I will add more soon:

Vince the Butcher-
A legend that the MLA, the Radiation, raiders, and even the MWBoS fear. A man who walks around wearing a wastehound hood and grimy pre war business wear wielding nothing but a Unique Cleaver (called the Butcher's Cleaver). He cuts all of the limbs off of his victims as he travels the wasteland with a former member of the MWBoS who deserted after killing seven other soldiers for unknown reasons. (his friend is also a wasteland legend)
There is a four thousand cap bounty for him dead. However your character has the option to persuade him that the two of you need eachother to be able to cause some real havoc in the wasteland (in a random encounter with a karma check, he will then become your companion).

The Deserter-
Vince the Butcher's one and only ally, he was the champion of a small tribe until the MWBoS recruited him. In the short time he was there he climbed the ranks until one day he killed seven of his commanding officers and fled into the wasteland with nothing but an assault rifle, a power armor helmet, a duster, and reinforced leather armor. Since then he has seen with a modified version of the helmet, with the leather armor under that duster.
There is a three thousand cap bounty on him dead and a four thousand cap bounty for him alive. If the player cannot recruit Vince the Butcher unless the Deserter enters his party aswell.

Ken the Peacemaker-
Ken's family was killed in front of him when he was seventeen for being unfit to work in Caesar's Legion. He was enslaved but one day he fled slavery and found himself in the town called Champion. After spending three years there he went back into Caesar's Legion territory and help to liberate a few small settlements, causing a full scale revolution in some areas. But after six months of doing that he was attacked by assassin's who permenantly crippled his left leg. He then returned to Champion to live out his days.
Caesar's Legion will offer you a large bounty for him dead which the Red Hands will also accept, coming after him every once and a while. If you worn him about it and/or heal his leg (due to him being pretty poor and unable to afford a doctor's treatment) he will become a companion. He will leave if you help Caesar's Legion.


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Post » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:09 pm

I really need to sit down and write out a detailed idea for Fallout 4: Seattle.
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Post » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:25 pm

I really need to sit down and write out a detailed idea for Fallout 4: Seattle.


Mine took a long time, but once you get a lot done then its alright...
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Post » Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:58 pm

Mine took a long time, but once you get a lot done then its alright...


I imagine it would. Unfortunately my spare time is taken up by other things right now, like a mod that isn't going according to plan... :cryvaultboy:
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:25 am

I imagine it would. Unfortunately my spare time is taken up by other things right now, like a mod that isn't going according to plan... :cryvaultboy:


I've been making a Post-Apocalyptic RPG on a free engine I downloaded onto my computer...

I have seen how incredible Skyrim textures are and I hope the artists do the same for Fallout... That's really all I can think of at the moment.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:18 am

I really need to sit down and write out a detailed idea for Fallout 4: Seattle.

I have talked about Seattle being a cool place to go before, I did in the last thread.
And I still say that packs should be in the game, or exoskeletons that add strength AND extra carry weight. The exoskeleton would take the place of a power pack but not a regular carrying pack.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:08 pm

I've been making a Post-Apocalyptic RPG on a free engine I downloaded onto my computer...

I have seen how incredible Skyrim textures are and I hope the artists do the same for Fallout... That's really all I can think of at the moment.


The textures in Skyrim aren't very impressive. They look to be no more than 512x512. Except the body textures. Those seem more detailed. I use texture mods for New Vegas that are anywhere from 2048x2048 to 4096x4096. That's why I'm hoping FO4 is on the next gen consoles. The current gen is severely lacking in power. And as impressive as Skyrim might look, a real leap forward will require better hardware. I hope FO4 puts Skyrim to shame.

I have talked about Seattle being a cool place to go before, I did in the last thread.


I've been pushing for Seattle in the locations thread. I think it offers much more interesting possibilities than Chicago. You have cities. You have dense temperate forests. You have coastline. You have mountains. You have valleys. You have an Army base, an Air Force base and several Navy bases, ranging from shipyards to a boomer sub base.

And there's no lore for it yet.
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The textures in Skyrim aren't very impressive. They look to be no more than 512x512. Except the body textures. Those seem more detailed. I use texture mods for New Vegas that are anywhere from 2048x2048 to 4096x4096. That's why I'm hoping FO4 is on the next gen consoles. The current gen is severely lacking in power. And as impressive as Skyrim might look, a real leap forward will require better hardware. I hope FO4 puts Skyrim to shame.


Have you seen the demonstrations for it?
Apparently they put so much detail into it you can see the vains on the leaves of random plants, grass and trees look incredibly realistic and NPCs are very detailed, and this was them playing it on Xbox 360, with PS3 and PC they will run better (it was running perfectly) and they will have more detail (PS3 has slightly better graphics than the Xbox 360).

I still hope F4 puts Skyrim to shame though...

@Mintheledh:
In my idea for F4 there's St. Louis, Cincinnati, Chicago, Madison (Wisconsin), and Detroit with grassland, forests, and worn torn battlefields in between.

I like the MW because there is a little lore (none of Tactics is canon except for high profile events) and it could branch off in thousands of directions, making an incredible location.

I like the idea of Washington State but I think the MW needs to be done first.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:06 am

Have you seen the demonstrations for it?
Apparently they put so much detail into it you can see the vains on the leaves of random plants, grass and trees look incredibly realistic and NPCs are very detailed, and this was them playing it on Xbox 360, with PS3 and PC they will run better (it was running perfectly) and they will have more detail (PS3 has slightly better graphics than the Xbox 360).

I still hope F4 puts Skyrim to shame though...


I have been following it very closely since it was announced. Yes, I know what it's like. But as a PC Gamer, there are many aspects, especially the graphical ones, that leave me unimpressed. The art direction is beautiful, but the technical limitations are also evident. They are doing some baking for their textures this time around, though, so that does contribute to them looking better or more detailed. I don't know if they used baking for FO3 or NV, but I know they didn't use it for Oblivion.

In my idea for F4 there's St. Louis, Cincinnati, Chicago, Madison (Wisconsin), and Detroit with grassland, forests, and worn torn battlefields in between.

I like the MW because there is a little lore (none of Tactics is canon except for high profile events) and it could branch off in thousands of directions, making an incredible location.

I like the idea of Washington State but I think the MW needs to be done first.


That would have to be an absolutely massive map to cover that much territory. I know you like the node/sandbox hybrid idea (which I don't), but even still, you'd only get little token bits of each location.

I was looking at some stuff the other day and the NV area is roughly 50 or 60 miles across. Your map is hundreds of miles.
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Post » Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:04 pm

If this tech pans out I hope they use that new ulimited texture thing that creates these little atoms.
http://youtu.be/00gAbgBu8R4

That would make Fallout 4 be the best it can be.
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Nicole Elocin
 
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:43 am

If this tech pans out I hope they use that new ulimited texture thing that creates these little atoms.
http://youtu.be/00gAbgBu8R4

That would make Fallout 4 be the best it can be.


Doubtful, but if it is on next gen consoles, it might get at least DX11. Provided DX12 isn't out by then.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:56 am

Okay I'm reposting a few of my ideas but not everything (still reworking the economy, I like running businesses as an option in games)

Perks
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Challenges:
I think there should be more challenge associated perks and more perks in general. Also fewer challenges that don’t serve a purpose. For instance I think the Explorer perk should be associated with a challenge (like master of the Mojave, only in the new location) instead of gained through levelling. Say there are 100 locations in game, once you’ve found 75 of the areas you gain the Explorer perk and the last 25 areas are added to the map.

General Perks:
The Ghastly Scavenger and Cannibal perk should be fused into a multi levelled perk (probably just called Ghastly Scavenger). The level lets you eat animals, the second feral ghouls, then super mutants, then sentient ghouls and humans.

Animal friend should have more levels eventually ending with no wild life attacking at all. If it hasn’t been taken than the first level is awarded automatically upon reaching the level cap. This is to remove the nuisance of enemies that couldn’t even hurt you attacking constantly.

Mysterious stranger should have multiple ranks so you can upgrade you mysterious guardians equipment. The mysterious stranger should also be able to appear in normal combat as well as in VATS just less often.

Other perks should include the ability to turn piles of goo and ash in energy weapon ammo (maybe lower quality than normal ammo). Also piles of goo and ash should not be loot able.

Companion Perks:
Companion perks should become available in normal levelling once you have gained the associated companion. This doesn’t out balance the game as it prevents you from gaining other perks, it simply allows for you to use a useful perk that happens to be from a companion you hate having around.


Skills and Traits
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Skills would be split into two categories, combat and non-combat. The non-combat skills would be the following which when maxed out split into two more advanced skills.
- Speech (Persuasion and Deception)
- Survival (Cooking and Crafting)
- Repair (Equipment and Machinery)
- Lock pick (Lock picking Doors and Lock picking Container)
- Science (Robotics and Hacking)
- Stealth (Theft and Sneak)
The combat skills would be as follows and would have a higher max level instead of splitting at it.
- Pistols
- Rifles and Shotguns
- Machine Guns
- Explosives
- Throwing
- Unarmed
- Melee
- Chemical weapons (this would require the addition of weapons other than the falmer that could be placed here.

Traits
The following are traits I feel should be included some are old some are my own.
- Claustrophobia: When outside your SPECIAL stats increase by two, when inside they decrease by one.
- Agoraphobia: The opposite of the above.
- Pacifist: A boost of five to all non combat skills, loss of five to all combat skills.
- Four Eyes: Plus two perception while wearing glasses, minus one when not.
- Bruiser: Plus ten to all melee oriented combat skills, minus five to all ranged combat skills.
- Skilled but slow: Plus five to all skills, minus ten percent experience gain.
- six Appeal: People with the correct sixuality are easily attracted to you, they are more likely to give discounts at shops and speech checks have lower requirements.


Idle Animations
Spoiler
Idle Animations (these would all be determined by skills or statistics about you character)
If you have a high medicine skill than sometimes when stood still for long enough you should begin to check your heart rate or examine stimpaks, flicking the needle and measuring the content.

High survival skill should make you take out a skinning knife to sharpen it or otherwise check the tools you use to skin animals pull teeth, cook.

High combat skills should make you take out and examine your current equipped weapon.

If you are a successful gambler you should take out some money to count or flip a cap through your fingers sometimes. Sleeping around a lot should lead to the character scratching them self awkwardly if left idle.

If you have radiation sickness than being idle could lead to the characters hands shaking or nose bleeding. (these are the real world effects of radiation poisoning, the visible ones at least)


Options
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Options
My idea for the options system allows for the player to truly fine tune their game play experience. The option menu I am going to explain would replace the normal difficulty settings.

Levelling:
The Player would be able to control the rate at which they level by using the experience gain control (defaults at 5/10)
You would also be able to change how many levels between each perk being gained this would default at 2 levels but can be anything from one level to five.

Enemies:
Enemy spawn rate could be controlled (default 5/10) this means that the player could up to double the enemy spawns or lower them substantially.
The player could also adjust strength of enemies (again defaults at 5/10) this does not mean the special stats for all the enemies it instead allows for a general rough control of how difficult it would be to kill each enemy.

Basic Game play:
The following features would be a simple toggle on or off.
-Grenade Detection (default on)
-True Iron Sights (default on)
-Kill Cam (default off)
-Dynamic Crosshair (default on)
-Bullet Time VATS replacer (default off)
-Grenade Hotkey (default on)
-Slower Backpeddling (default on)
-First person visor overlays (default off)
-Visible Own Health Bar (default on)
-Visible Action Points Bar (default on)
-Visible Compass (default on)
-Compass markers for quest (default on)
-Health Vision Feedback (default off) this is used in most shooters these days, low health is represented by a blurry screen.
-Med Addiction (default on)
-Chem Addiction (default on)
-Alcohol Addiction (default on)

hardcoe Game play:
Instead of a single hardcoe mode toggle each feature would be off by default.
-Sleep requirement
-Hunger
-Thirst
-Stimpak Overdose Possibility
-Ammo Weight
-Med Weight
-Chem Weight
-Companion Death

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Sophie Miller
 
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Post » Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:41 pm

Uhm, not to sound totally out of this world or to step on anyones toes, but won't it be better to get rid of any form of currency?

The NCR currency I could understand, it's a full functioning society and can back up it's currency so it would make sense, but far a situation as the capital wasteland it would make more sense to have a society based on trading goods for goods not trading goods for currency. IE. If you give me food and materials I can trade you bullets. You need a gun, I need something else. We trade it against each other.

Of course their would be a value attached to each item otherwise it would be possible to trade a gun for a bullet wich won't make sense.

Just my 2c.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:02 am

Good Idea perhaps you should take a look at the way risen handles trading. I'll take that Idea into account as I'm now considering a complete revamp of the currency and economy system, make it feel more like a recovering society than an almost perfect one.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:46 am

Figured I'd post this again

My mega-post

1. General Info
- plot
- factions
- general locations
- skills

2. Multiplayer (brain storming)

3. Minor Locations

4. Weapons
- Guns
- Explosives
- Energy Weapons
- Unarmed
- Melee

5. Major Factions
-The Patriots of America
-The Red Ghouls
-The United Federation of Pittsburgh

*NEW* 6. Timeline of the Capital Union

Here is my http://s1121.photobucket.com/albums/l501/thewonderwombat/?action=view¤t=FO4map.jpg! This is a Work in Progress.


Spoiler



1 Fallout 4 featuring Philidelphia

Obviuosly located in Philidelphia, now called Philly

A few reasons it should be considered
-5th most populated city in the U.S.
-Home to some historical sites
-Home to historical monuments
-Next to a river

Plot

Lyon's BoS, now lead by Maxson's ancestor (he was a squire in Fallout 3), are expanding ever so slowly as it is roughly 20 years from Fallout 3. They reach Philidelphia to find many problems just like the Capital Wasteland. Maxson (insert correct number here) decides to help reorganize the communities. The neighboring factions don't want to ally with the Brother hood or the others, making the protagnoist side with one and destroy the others.

Factions

Lyons BoS - They will obviously play a major role. They have discovered T-51b power armor in facilities in Baltimore while they were traveling to Philly. Only some Paladins wear it though. After hearing how Philidelphia has large amounts of technology and a good amount of people they decide to investigate. They are met by three other factions trying to capture Philly for themselves. The PC can decide to side with them or get rid of their presence or destroy them.

Red coats - They do not take after the British redcoats, but their oppsing faction has used the name and it has influenced their armor.. They seek to control Philly just for the sole fact to not let their opposing faction have control of it. They use conventional weapons ranging from R91 assault rifles to swords. There main quests are to destroy the Revolutionairy's and to get rid of the presence of the Brotherhood of Steel and get rid of the presence of Pitt slavers. They only control Philidelphia

Revolutionairy's - A faction that takes after the American rebels in the 1770's. They wear crude armor and clothing and use weapons that can be easily scavenged. They want to control Philly for reasons to expand their army substantially. They basically created the redcoats and who they are today. They also want to destroy the redcoats. Their quests have you destroy the redcoats and get rid of the presence oof BoS and Pitt Raiders, in more barbaric way than the redcoats.

Pitt Raiders/Slavers - Sent out by Ashur from the Piit. In search of more resources and to gain more land to make the Pitt look more menacing. Though that is their mission they have set up an HQ that enslaves people, and they tend to wreak havoc on the surrounding land. The PC when sided with will have the moest challenging quests to destroy all three other opposing factions in complete barbaric means.

Talon Company - Their HQ is based NW of Philly. Not a major faction but has a lot of quests. As of 2298 their main purpose is being hired by the redcoats to sabotage and slaughter Pitt Raiders/Slavers. Most quests involve sabotaging the Pitt Raiders/Slavers. The rest of the wasteland views them as saviors, but the BoS and revolutionairy's want to have no part to do with them, resulting in if you side with BoS or Rev's they are hostile.

Red Foxes - (Raiders) After over 200 years of living in hostile tribes, one group lead by "The Fox" is determined to unite all the raider tribes into one large group. They are a less violent group of raiders that pillages shacks and towns for their own fate and survival. "The Fox" though still enjoys the thoughts of senseless killing, and doesn't want to leave it all behind, you can either help him, or remove him from power.
Fort Washington - Only large community of people that is not conquered by other large factions. They are a main target of the Revolutionary's. They continuously fail because they cannot get through the defenses. The locals have found a secret underground facility equip with prototype laser technology and prototype power armor which is larger than taditional and has less DR/DT.

Locations

Philly - the Main city that the main factions are fighting for Owned by the redcoats. It is equiped with amazing technology and structual buildings that can support a larger population, at least a fallout population.
Washington Castle - (not to be mistaken with Fort Washington) The ravolutionairy'e place of Operations located in present day New Jersey.
Talon Company HQ- HQ of the Talon Company
Large faction bases - spread out throughout the wasteland. Rev's East, BoS South, Pitt West.
Fort Washington - largest free city in the Wastes, it is based in the North. Present day Fort Washington
Vault 76 - West of Philly, unknown
Vault 83 - North of Philly, unknown
Vault 95 - Southeast - unknown, was going to be in FO 3
Vault 100 South - unknown, was going to be in FO 3
Military Industrial Supply - Red coats own this, it still has years worth of supplies stocked inside, enough to feed a whole city.
Fox River - A portion of the Delaware river that the red foxes call their own.
Stealers HQ - Pitt Raiders HQ and a nice play on words.

skills

1. Crafting - makes clothing/armor/other things from materials found in the waste ex. Leather armor is Brahmin skin and more, affects workbench instead of repair and science
2. Energy Weapons - again same, determines Energy Weapon effectiveness
3, Explosives - Doesn't include shooting weapons, grenades and mines mainly
4. Guns - guns with bullets
5. Lockpick - unlocks doors
6. Medicine - same how you can heal yourself
7. Melee Weapons - determines melee weapons
8. Repair - repairs armor and weapons now lets you repair more
9. Electronics - used to fix energy cells, and generators and such
10. Science - same, affects only minor things with workbenches
11. Sneak - sneaky sneaky
12. Speech - persaudes others + barter
13. Deception - allows the player to lie, and blend in with an enemy faction
14. Survival - same with more stuff
15. Unarmed - same


That's about all I got for now, will probally add on later. I am also working on a map, the first will only have places of importance.





2 Fallout 4 Multiplayer

I think if they were to happen to make an online mode they would sort of go towards a red dead redemption style. If you haven't played it then I'm sorry, but it is the whole entire map. There are only a few things to do such as gang shootouts, so for Fallout maybe you could do the dungeons. Then you can wander around and kill opposing players. In RDR you can also join each others posse's, so for Fallout you could join a faction from the game. Then there are things you can do outside the free roam, such as a multiplayer gang shoutout, basically a team deathmatch.

So here would be multiplayer

Free Roam

The entire map is open for exploration. All of the maps locations are open to explore. There are less NPC in the free roam, but you can still take their stuff, and their difficulty is dramatically increased. You gain exp. when you kill people for 50 levels. You unlock weapons and only weapons when you level up, and you can choose 4 from when you respawn and it gives you a limited amount of ammo. You can customize your character's appearence and armor color. You are able to join a faction, but you must get to their HQ to join. (maybe more to come)

Team Deathmatch

8 vs 8 matches where two teams are paired up against each other. First team to get 100 kills wins. You can choose 4 guns with limited ammo and are able to switch throughout the match.

Multi-team Deathmatch

4 vs 4 vs 4 vs 4. Same rules apply with team deathmatch.


I may think of more and repost them along with my other post.





3 Fallout 4 location ideas 1

Vault 83 - A very simple vault experiment. The "researchers" wanted to see how the community would react when they handed out a reverse Vault-Tec jumpsuit, main color being Yellow and smaller being Blue. The different suit was to be given randomly to a citizen every 50 years, it was handed out 3 times before Vault 83 opened. The vault opened in 2231 and a small town appeared next to the Vault after the reacotr leaked massive amounts of radiation.

Vault 76 - A control vault designed to open after only 20 years. After 20 years passed in 2097 the original overseer had died of a heart attack, and the new overseer was smarter than most. He sent out a party of 5 people to see how the world had changed. The detonated warheads left the surrounding area highly radioactive. 3 of the men died and the other two began to turn into ghouls. When the two returned with some of their skin falling off and their hair, the overseer was scared that "zombies" now ruled the Earth and then locked the Vault. The two then moved to Philly to see if the city had any survivors.

Vault 100 - A Vault-Tec experiment. Out of 1000 people 500 were hardcoe criminals, and the other 500 strict cops. All members had their memory wiped. There was also an extreme amount of money and a large amount of civilian weapons put into the vault. Only several years after the war, flaws of the memory wiped emerged and some of the people started to regain their memory. A group of criminals took other members not knowing whether they were fellow criminals or not. They ran away from the vault and settled their own town - guntown. When the player enters the Vault they find it destroyed with guns and corpes all over the place.

Vault 95 - To see how the easiest means of communication could be accomplished Vault-Tec made Vault 95. They had 250 people come from over the world and the U.S. who had no idea how to speak English, but the Overseer could speak English. There where no books or holotapes to teach English or the other languages. The Overseer was then given two list a short and east list full of simple minded tasks, and a very complicated one which had jobs that were necesarry to live. The Vault was raided by the Patriots and only remains of the different languages are there.

Abandoned Camp - A camp that was used for people trying to get into Vault 76, it is seemingly abondoned, but rumor is that the campers collectively dug a small underground shelter of their own in a matter of a few years.

Yellow City - The city built by the remnants of Vault 83. They worship the Yellow Vault jumpsuit and believe that a being will come to them and them as their leader and wear the jumpsuit and lead their people to salvation.

Guntown - A very strict to the code town where there is practically no crime whatsoever. There is an excess amount of civilian guns, such as pistols and hunting rifles. One man wants to raid the armory and capture the town for himself. The town itself is controlled by the Patriots. Each officer was then trained to be more strict than what they already were.

Big Hill (northwest corner) - Obviously on a big hill. Tribals wandered the wastes of Pennsylvannia for decades, until they discovered a shining beacon, being a large hill near Philly. They went to the area, and found many pre war houses around it, the scavenged what they could from the houses and started to build small houses on the hill in a spiral formation, with their town hall on the top. The population is small with small families. They mostly farm, and make unique remedies that is unknown to other parts of the wastes.

Sourland Caravans - Started by survivors of the great war who took refuge in the sourland mountain park. When they came out of the facilities they could still see mushroom clouds in the sky, so they waited even longer. When they re-emerged they decieded they would ship out supplies from around the park to other nearby towns. The radiation almost stopped this relief effort immediately, but they stayed strong and enough survivors remained to continue to ship supplies. This is when all the remaining cars stopped working and they discovered Brahmin, horrible creations of the war. Eventually with more and more people making their own settlements, the people from sourland, made the sour caravans charging the wastelanders and tribals pre-war money and convenient bottle caps.





4 Fallout 4: Philly Weapons

Guns

Pistols

9mm pistol
10mm pistol
.22 pistol
.357 magnum
.44 magnum
12.7mm/14mm pistol
9mm Mauser
.45 auto pistol (maybe)
Hunting Revolver
New Pistols
Luger
7.62 mm pistol

Rifles

R91 assault rifle
Chinese Assault Rifle
AK-112
Hunting Rifle
Cowboy Repeater
Trail Carbine
Assault Carbine
Marksman Carbine
BB gun
Sniper Rifle
FN FAL
Brush Gun
Anti-Materiel Rifle
New Rifles
7.62mm Rifle - AK 47 / 74
Bolt Action Rifle - 1903 Springfield
.30 Wooden rifle - M1 Carbine
Service Rifle - now an M14 design
Assault Rifle - M16 design
Automatic Rifle - now an actual rifle STG 44 (trying to keep away from WWII guns, but couldn't resist)
M199 Assault Rifle - In Fallout 3 mentions as being reliable last M series guns.

Shotguns

Combat Shotgun - FO 3 design
Hunting Shotgun
Lever-Action Shotgun
Single Shotgun
Sawed-Off shotgun
New Shotguns
Double Barrel Shotgun - unless you count Point Lookout
Trench Gun - Model 1987
Blunderbuss
Semi-Auto Shotgun - Browning 5 auto

Submachine Guns

9mm submachine gun
10mm submachine gun
.45 mm submachine gun
.22 sub machine gun
H&K G11
12.7mm submachine gun
New Submachine Guns
H&K MP5 - don't have name yet
H&K UMP - again no name yet

Heavy Guns

Light Machine Gun
Minigun
Bozar

Explosives

Projectile

Missle Launcher
Fat Man
Grenade Rifle
Grenade Launcher
Grenade Machine Gun
New Projectiles
Crossbow - similar to Call of Duty explosive only
RPG-7 - comes with its own rare ammo

Thrown/Mines

Frag Grenade
Plasma Grenade
Pulse Grenade
Incendiary Grenade
Dynamite
C4
Frag Mine
Plasma Mine
Pulse Mine
New Thrown/Mines
Explosive Grenade - powerful grenade
M80 - basically a toy in FO combat people get scared then mad at you when thrown
Land Mine - bigger and stronger than Frag

Energy Weapons

Pistols

Plasma Pistol
Plasma Defender
Laser Pistol
Wattz 1000 Laser Pistol
Pulse Gun
Recharger Pistol
Gauss Pistol
New Pistols
Tesla Pistol - Shoots a lightning bolt type shot

Rifles/Not Heavy

Laser Rifle
Wattz 2000 Laser Sniper - had to change it
Plasma Rifle
Multiplas Rifle
Recharger Rifle
Tri-Beam Laser Rifle
Gauss Rifle
Laser RCW
New Rifles/Not Heavy
Laser Assault Rifle - hold 30 rounds more accurate than RCW with Iron sights
Tesla Rifle - Again shoots lightning basically
Some kind of Plasma Gun

Heavy Weapons

Gatling Laser
Plasma Caster
Tesla Cannon
Flamer
(heavy) Incinerator
New Heavy Weapons
Plasma Launcher - basically will shoot a plasma Grenade

Unarmed

Unarmed

Brass Knuckles
Spiked Knuckles
Power Fist
Zap Glove
Displacer Glove
Ballistic Fist
Boxing Glove
New Unarmed
Tape and Glass - tape with glass on it
Iron Fist - a glove with Iron on the outside

Melee

Bladed

Machete
Ripper
Chainsaw
Combat Knife
Knife
Fire Axe
Hatchet
Straight Razor
Switch Blade
Thermic Lance
Chinese Officer sword
New Bladed
Pocket Knife - a 7 inch kind of blade
Sword - one hand sword one that collectors would get
Katana/ whatever it could be called - again something a collector would have had

Blunt

Baseball Bat
9-Iron
Cane
Lead Pipe
Tire Iron
Nail Board
Sledge Hammer
Super Sledge
Rebar Club
Shovel
Police Baton
Crowbar
New Blunt
Frying Pan
Nightstick
Fire Place Stick - seems like a creative idea
Shock Stick - like Jingwei's sword but a police Baton, would have been to calm riots
Staff - basically a long stick

Thrown

Throwing Knife
Throwinf Hatchet/Tomahawk
Throwing Spear
New Thrown
Ninja Star/Shuriken
Ninja Throwing Knife




5 Main factions

Patriots of America (formerly revolutionairies if you read my ideas post)

General Washington

A boy, named Thomas and his parents who were poor and starving wondered the ruins of D.C. in the years around 2252 endlessly each and every day. When the three of them were in the area of the national mall they were attacked by a group of super mutants who had plans to capture them. The mutants unable to capture them quickly made the decision to kill them. Thomas ran to the Washington Monument and climbed all the stairs to the very top. There he made a small camp and would scavenge for food and water each day during the safety of the night, slowly gaining skills that would inevitablly help him in the future. Eventually Thomas' scavenging trips became longer and longer until one trip he got caught at the Arlington Library. Interested that day he looked up the history of America. His favorite subject was the Revolution which inspired his name Washington. His dream then became to re-establish the 13 original colonies to their former glory. At the beginning of 2272 (wiki's date) he set forth to the North. When he arrived at his home he saw men in huge suits of armor setting up a huge barrier around the monument. There he met a crazy man who told him about the good fight. Thomas took this personally as restoring America, to do this he would destroy everything "evil" that in his eyes was anti-american. Knowing how D.C. was in ruins he set his sights on Baltimore one of the nations old capitals. In 2273 when he arrived in Baltimore he found it in ruins also, he also found hundreds of people suffering from radiation poisoning and the countless raiders around. For five years he taught them what he learned how to scavenge and hide. During these years he also learned much more skills in combat and trained the wastelanders as much as he knew. In 2278 he left Baltimore on his own. Within days the wastelanders he had trained followed began to follow him as their leader, thus he named his tribe/group the Patriots of America. After discovering that Philadelphia was overrun with ghouls he decided he needed to wipe them out as they were "evil" and keeping America from being a great country again. He lead the group to New Jersey to an Air Force base. He had the group spend hours building thorough defenses. At the same time he set up a government/leadership in the visions of the Constitution. The people unanimously voted him into office as the president where he would enact a Marshall Law and control everything as a dictator. In 2296 he finally sets his sights on the his capital of America, Philadelphia.

The Patriots of America

Scavengers and Wastelanders from Baltimore were in terrible shape. They were starving and thirsty and each day was a struggle for life. In 2273 when Thomas Washington came they were suprised that anyone would come out of their way to their slice of hell. For the five years they were taught to survive by Tom they came to look at him as a leader. Finally when he left the people came together and followed him out of the city to wherever he may have gone. In 2279 when they arrived at the military base the began to scavenge immediately. They found large amounts of munitions in the base, but they could only see with binoculars. Eventually they made a team which prepared to go into the bunker. They found hundreds of skeletons crowded around one small door. Inside the first room was the luggage and and food of the hundreds of dead civilians trying to gain safety inside the bunker, unfortunately it was all highly irradiated. On the other hand their luck was still in their favor as the bunkers door has fallen apart from years of neglect. They found even more skeletons and some feral ghouls. After a couple days of fighting they found the dark recesses of the bunker which was full of food untouched by the war and guns to supply a small army. With their new weapons they set their goal to expand to take Philadelphia. They spent a decade destroying towns forcing raiders and other wastelanders to join there nation. With a growing population they had to set up a real government modeling old America as in new Constitution. They smartest men and women of the settlements came togethers and created their own Constitution. With Marshall Law enacted almost immeadiately, Washington promised his people that they could be free and finally enjoy life once they were able to set up America's new capital in Philly. To do this they needed to destroy the vast amount of ghouls in the ruins of Philly which remained largely entact. With their main goal to conquer Philly they needed to expand their armies with a proper training and soldiers.

What's New?

Washington Castle - Current day McGuire Air Force Base. I have said mostly everything in the above posts. It is used as the main base for the Patriots, and it surrounded by three walls, first concrete, second concrete, third forcefield like Fallout 3 found on the base. There is one main entrance, and an emergency exit that leads out from a sewer. There is plenty of weapons and armor. Population: 359

Adamsville - Named after Samuel Adams, other argue John Adams, only thee educated. It is the Patriots second largest city/town. This area is the main town for civilians of the faction. It is mainly a farming village to feed all the people, but there is still an armor and gun dealer in town. There are almost no military personel in the town, but it is of no interest of any place.

Fort Greene - Named after the General Nathaniel Greene, it is the second base for the military close to the front lines. It houses more men than Washington Castle, but they are mostly infantry and no specialists (not rank). It is a very simple square building surrounded by a concrete wall. It sits a couple miles away from the Delaware River and is an important role to take Philly.


The Pitt

During the conflict with the slaves, Ashur guranteed them good things to come, as his wife had discovered how to make vaccinations. The slaves listened and settled down, but not before they hunted down Wehrner. Years later after all the slaves were free of radiation, and all the trogs were wiped out. The Pitt began toexpand into the city.They discovered even more scrap metal and weapons and more ammo types. Ashure then decided to trade the ammo much more widely, excluding the Capital Wasteland. Around 2285, Ashur started to grant slaves more freedom, and hired them as workers. This decreased the soldiers pay, so the rebeled, but the loyalists were better equipped and stopped it rather quick. Ashure realized how powerful his army was and decided to expand further on around Pittsburgh. Some of the wastelanders refused to join, but most accepted this and made many farming towns to support the Pitt's growing numbers.

Towards the end of the 2280's, the Pitt looked like a good place to live. The streets were cleaned up, the people much nicer, and their terriotry thouroughly protected. With all the good things, and more to come Ashur officially announced that the Pitt would break away from the U.S. and become The United Federation of Pittsburgh. It included several cities including its Capital the Pitt, Youngstown in Ohio, and as far as Harrisburg in Pennsylvannia. With the massive expanding Ashur saw its citizens being upset, so he decided his last conquest of his life would be Philadelphia, little did he know 3 other groups wanted it too. When they arrived in Pottstown they set up camp in an old warehouse. They headed to Philly, to see men in black armor running from the town, when they investigated they found 4 dead ghouls all dressed in red. They figured it was just ordinary wasteland violence, but the next few days they kept seeing the ghouls in red shooting at any wanderers outside their wall, with intense violence at a certain few. The scouts from the Pitt reported this, and Ashur told them to lay low until they destroyed each other. With 5 years of pointless waiting, Ashur decided to take some action, he enslaved some locals and forced them to work on farms and other jobs. When he arrived personally to the sight he ordered a small group of men to set up a camp to the west of Philly. Now in 2298, their numbers have dramatically increased and there armies are ready to march onto Philly, and claim it for themselves.

Locations:

Pitt-town - Previously Pottstown, the UFP took it over first thing and established an Philly HQ here, only the leaders of the army stay here and the player can only receive a few quests, the guards here have high tier weapons from the start.

Southern HQ - The front lines for the UFP. They have most of the soldiers stationed here. The armies are rather large and the weapons are top notch. There are only tents here along with one large building used as an HQ. The UFP moved their base of operations here.

Stealers Fist - (like the football team) This is the camp where all the enslavement takes place. Slaves come thorugh have their belongings taken then distributed to the Southern HQ or Pitt-town. It is also a farming town where slaves farm furing the day, then pack munitions for the army at night.

Red Ghouls

Ghouls of Philly - after decades of punishment some ghouls were tired of being pushed around by the "bigots" Several wandered the waster as a large group, such as the ones in Broken Steel who want a New Underworld.They knew the best way to keep the humans out was with radiation. After years of wandering they discovered Philly in what seemed a pristine condition. What they didn't know what that the downtown was completely destroyed, but the surrounding area seemlessly left unharmed. They came to the area of Penn's landing and wandered from there discovering the historical sights, mainly Indeoendence Hall. They read up on all the documents and decided to call this area their own.

Slowly but surely they gathered other ghouls around. Again, knowing the humans wouldn't come with radiation the ghouls powered up some nuclear reactors, and let the toxic waster lay around the perimeter. Slowly the expanded outward making a powerful city. They also found a Military Storage sight, full of food and water for centuries, and weapons for thousands. Humans barely ever came to the ghoul "safe haven" and when they did they were questioned, and if found mysterious shot.

After brutal skirmishes with the new enemy, The Patriots, they heard time after time the patriots calling them redcoats. This made the ghouls paint all of their armor and clothing red. There weapons grunt weapons, and their armor leather, combat, and metal.

Now with the areas.

Independence Hall - The town hall of the ghouls.They use the courthouse for putting humans and trial. There is also an upstair, where all the food was transfered to keep it clean, as the radiation surrounds the perimeter. Additional ammo and armor is also stored on the second floor. The leader of the ghouls, a man named Jacob Williams also runs things from the 2nd floor office. In the basemant (I'm pretty sure there is one) you can see labs and scientists working hard. On this level they are trying to find a quick way to take radiation out of water. If you talk to some gulible scientists and hack some terminels, you can find a hidden elevator on the back wall. In the bottom of the place, a much larger lab is set up. Two basic rooms. One smaller room with feral ghouls and scientists, and another with humans and scientist. The small room full of ferals is to see if the ghouls can make them senseable, and the larger room is to see if they can turn a human into a ghoul 100% of the time.

Battleship New Jersey - A museum before the great war. The ghouls found it in the Delawat and pulled it to Penn's landing. It is uses as a military base for the ghoul redcoats. There military leaders live there, and there scientists are working on making it operational.


6 Timeline of the Capital Union (Brotherhood of Steel)

This was made by Sebor13, and is an will be edited in the future by Sebor13 and myself

March 4th 2278 (random date that came to mind)- Lone Wanderer activates the Purifier.
May 11th 2278- The Enclave was beaten at AAFB.
June 24th 2278- Lyons Pride gets into Vault 87 after months of planning, they place explosives on key support beams and the entire Vault collapses, the children of Little Lamplight are gathered and brought to the Citidale against their will.
August 16th (today in real life) 2278- The BoS respond to increased raider attacks on Megaton by placing six soldiers there (four initiates and two paladins), they slowly start to make Megaton BoS territory.
December 17th 2278- Big Town is put under the protection of four BoS Initiates in responce to waves of supermutants attacking in that area.
January 3rd 2279- Arefu (which was under the protection of the Family) gets three BoS Initiates stationed there.
January 9th 2279- BoS attack and take over Evergreen Mills and the raider attacks stop, Megaton is then heavily influenced by the BoS.
January 23rd 2279- Vault 101 opens again, with Amata in charge. Megaton's front walls are taken down and are used to circle around Springvale and the now opened Vault 101.
February 5th 2279- Eight BoS soldiers are sent to Tenpenny Tower to place it under their protection, Tenpenny refuses to let them in and sends his guards to kill them. The Guards are slaughtered and Tenpenny is placed under arrest and the citizens of the tower go about as normal.
February 19th 2279- The day the BoS official become a country with the Citidale as it's capital and Owen Lyons as its first president.
March 4th 2279- Captial Union soldiers are stationed in Rivet City and it is annexed.
March 22nd 2279- The Capital Union demands the Outcasts either hand over all of their stolen tech and surrender, or die, only two surrender, the rest are slaughtered and their tech is taken.
April 11th 2279- Talon Company is pushed out of the Capital Union's territory as the take full control of Downtown D.C.
April 19th 2279- The Capital Union finds Canterbury Commons and takes it over, making the poorly defended caravan hub thrive.
April 23rd (My birthday) 2279- Megaton, Bigtown, Arefu and Tenpenny Tower are officially annexed by the Capital Union.
May 9th 2279- The Capital Union recruits the Regulators as its secret agents of sorts and two of them are sent to Paradise Falls disguised as slavers.
May 26th 2279- The Capital Union attacks Paradise Falls, killing everybody except Eugoly Jones who is arrested and the slaves who are freed.
June 3rd 2279- The Capital Union annexes the Temple of the Union who form a politcal party in their government.
June 14th 2279- The Capital Union finds Oasis and begins studying the vegetation.
June 27th 2279- The Capital Union finds the Republic of Dave, all of the advlts run out guns blazing and once they're killed all of the children are brought to the Citidale.
August 13th 2279- The Capital Union finds Andale and uses it as a carvan stop on the way from Rivet City to Tenpenny Tower.
August 18th 2279- The Capital Union finds Girdershade and uses it to help them expand further west.
September 11th 2279- The Capital Union runs low on Power Armor for new recruits and uses combat armor that is spray painted brown as for initiates, this soon becomes the more common uniform.
September 30th 2279- Eugoly Jones, Allstair Tenpenny, and the surviving Outcasts stand trial for crimes against humanity and the Capital Union, they're all exectued.
November 7th 2279- Owen Lyons dies of a heart attack and the Lone Wanderer becomes the new president.
November 24th 2279- the last of the supermutants in the CW (besides Fawkes and Uncle Leo who have fled north) is killed.
December 4th 2279- Underworld is discovered and the ghouls are forced to leave, they head north.
January 15th 2280- The Capital Union begins expanding outside of the CW, annexing towns and bringing fresh water and protection to all.
February 19th 2280- The Capital Union celebrates how much it has accomplished since its official beginning.
November 4th 2280- Richmond is discovered by a large amount of Capital Union soldiers (thirty) they're held hostage by a large faction called the Confederacy.
December 5th 2280- The Regulators manage to sneak in and cause a prison break, getting all of the Capital Union soldiers out alive and starting the invasion of Richmond.
January 8th 2280- The Capital Union takes over all of Richmond and the surrounding settlements, a stalemate between them and the Confederacy begins the same day.
March 13th 2281- the Capital Union finds a large miltary base with T51b Power Armor, a new squad called the Heavy Hitters (similar to how Lyons Pride is a squad) begins.
June 10th 2281- The Captial Union meets the United, a large group of raiders who control western Virginia.
March 3rd 2282- the Lone Wanderer is killed by a Confederate assassin, Harkness is elected as the new president and he begins a campaign against the Conefederacy.
March 5th 2282- Project Purity is renamed the Lone Wanderer Memorial.
April 2nd 2282- the Capital Union is haulted by a fifty foot tall concrete wall to the south, the Confederacy built it to keep them from taking more land.
December 10th 2282- the United is pushed out of what used to be Virginia and disolves into a bunch of raider gangs.
June 3rd 2283- Harkness retires and 16 year old Arthur Maxson is placed in charge of the Capital Union. He makes a policy saying they will not expand further until they have absolute control over their current land and all of their settlements thrive.
February 20th 2284-All hostile wild life in the Capital Union is killed.
October 5th 2284- People from the Confederacy are fleeing to the Capital Union for its free, clean water and its protection.
Jaunuray 23rd 2293- Arhtur Maxson repeals the order saying they will not expand and they begin taking land to the north and the west again, but at a snails pace.
March 4th 2297- the Capital Union discovers Philidpelphia and the factions looking to take it over.
May 2nd 2297- the Capital Union discovers the Pitt and bring Three Dog to Philidelphia to spread propoganda by radio and public appearance (I forgot to put this in before, he was used as a propoganda piece to take over the CW and beyond, he is now a preacher of the Capital Union (he dresses in businesswear (they actually found out how to make and clean cloths so its just businesswear) and looks like a politician)).



Most likely more to come.

Luckily for me instead of copy and paste each time, I copied it all with all the little codes to microsoft word and paste it on from there :)
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Jinx Sykes
 
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:44 am

If this tech pans out I hope they use that new ulimited texture thing that creates these little atoms.
http://youtu.be/00gAbgBu8R4

That would make Fallout 4 be the best it can be.

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Thanks for that link!
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:54 am

I think something like one of those Arabic markets with all the bustling life, with people shouting at you to buy stuff, people robbing stuff, and loads of people.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100721003308/fallout/images/f/fe/All_Roads_full_cover.jpg
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:33 am

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100721003308/fallout/images/f/fe/All_Roads_full_cover.jpg


If only Gamebryo could handle so many people, because it would have been amazing to see so many people in Freeside.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 1:48 am

Crafting, World Items, Fast Travel (some new ideas in here)


Spoiler
World Items:
Book chutes would exist again (without the voice) and the player would be able to craft their own skill books from blank books, a skill magazine, wonder glue and the correct recipe.

A small number of autodocs would be around for healing the player and could be used by some other characters, including your enemies if there happens to be one in their HQ.

Biological Research stations would be available for player houses and appear in some areas in the world used by other scientists.

Some machine serving the same purpose as Muggy would exist but very rare and only in a small number of locations.

Vending Machines:
Nuka-Cola and Sunset Sarsparilla vending machines would come in two varieties. Broken ones would work the same as they do now allowing you to take the contents at will, and normal ones would require a small amount of pre-war money to purchase the contents. Also there would exist machines to purify/ chill these drinks to give extra effects or remove radiation.

There would also be Med/ Chem vending machines in some of the towns, these require a small amount of whatever currency the controlling faction of that town uses to purchase the contents. Along with this in some of the more violent towns would be ammo vending machines again requiring that towns currency to use.

Safes and Other Containers:
Container item limits will be introduced that mean only items of the right size can be placed into a container. Lock picking will be real time as will safe cracking, instead of a window appearing the camera zooms into lock of the container you are trying to open. Safes would have a unique safe cracking mini game instead of the lock picking mini game (which makes no sense).

Crafting:
All current crafting stations would return (campfires will be explained later, they aren’t the same anymore). Adapting any form of armour requires a work bench as does the recycling or upgrading of any energy ammo.

Conventional ammo would use a reloading bench, these would also be required for modifying or taking apart any form of weapon. Taking a weapon apart would allow you to upgrade the condition of another similar weapon, this does not mean repair it means allowing you to upgrade a weapon so it takes longer to degrade.

Chemistry stations would exist and be required for creating your own chems/ meds. Along with these would be brewing stations to allow you create your own alcoholic drinks. Stimpaks would require Xander Root and Broc Flower (we’ll assume the same plants are included for now) as well purified water (to dilute the mixture) and an empty syringe.

Purifying water would be possible from anywhere so long as you have two empty bottles, a clean sheet of cloth and some dirty water (this is what’s needed in real life). Purify would be another option alongside use in the inventory entry for dirty water.

Drinking anything that comes in a bottle will add an empty bottle to your inventory, using a stimpak or any other injected chem/ med will add an empty syringe to your inventory. If you fill up an empty bottle from a lake or river it will then contain dirty water (river water is not purified, even if it isn’t radioactive).

Fast Travel/ Camping:
This works in a very similar manner to the fast travel used in Red Dead Redemption. When in the appropriate location (outside, on flat land, away from roads, rails and water) you would be able to set up camp. From here you can sleep, (healing would be determined by how long you sleep), use the campfire to craft stuff, talk to any companions that may be following you, or fast travel.

In this set up the player can only fast travel to a discovered town or settlement, but can travel from any location you can set up camp. The player can purchase better camps (you will start with the most basic one). By having a better camp you will be able to heal without needing to sleep as long and craft more advanced recipes.

Scavenging Crafting Items:
Most items like fission batteries, scrap metal and scrap electronics can be found anywhere. Items to take from animals would require the correct tools to harvest.

Knives for skinning animals and taking their meat. Pliers for pulling teeth and claws out of the dead body for later use. Taking blood would require an empty syringe and a jar to store the blood in. Poison glands would require you to have a knife for removal and an empty bag to store the gland in.

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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:04 pm

I'm not sure what being 'forced' to use currency means though, do you want to be charged entry fees to towns, or have tolls in some areas, or do you mean changing the trade system so I can't give items instead of money.


There are possibilities. Generally, lesser amounts of money on the move in general, more items and features to be acquired with "money-only", and less iventoryspace.


And since it seems to be in fashion... again...

Here's some of my ideas on along which lines I would like some aspects of Fallout 4 to be made (I posted this (IIRC) before Fallout: New Vegas was even annouced, and once again last year, but made some changes so I'm not just reposting the same thing over and over again). Whether or not all the following would actually work in the game, is beyond me as I'm not a game designer, but at least to me it sounds decent on paper.
The WALL OF TEXT:

A minimenu:

There would be a minimenusystem that would trigger various functions needed during the gameplay. Pressing (for example) the mousewheel would open up a list (somewhat similiar to Fallout 1 and Fallout 2) beside the cursor that would present commands like Enter Worldmap, Heal, Heal Other, Repair, Rest/Wait etc. If well implemented, this could potentially offer a greater gameplay diversity through bigger possibilities for direct skilluses in several situations.


General gameplay:


The general gameplay would be quite similiar to F3 and F:NV. You roam around the wastes doing quests and exploring. But combat would be less frequent unless the player decides otherwise - in other words, you could pick some of your random fights. (Though I'd very, very much prefer it, I'm not suggesting ISO/TB gameplay, since I don't believe for a second that Beth would implement it no matter what. <_< )

This could partly be handled through wildlife AI, which would be set less aggressive in general. An aggression stat would be implemented which would vary from species to species - from completely neutral (only defensive combat) to total aggression (hostility almost immediately). The animals would have their own immediate surroundings, or personal spaces, somewhat like in Risen and Gothic series, and partly in F:NV. Get too close and you get a warning sign from the critter giving you time to get out of their space, linger and be chased off (or be attacked, if you don't flee). The radius of the space and the time you are tolerated in it would depend on the critter.

The mainquest would be scaled to a certain degree through chaptering it (not visibly, as in presenting a loadscreen: Chapter 1: In which you slither out from the uaginal cavity and learn the first lessons of life, but through certain major events through the main quest). And after those, the game would replaces some of the lower level enemies with higher level ones in the MQ areas - defeating which (if not gettin past by other means) would require you to level up some more. Or through a nonlinear levelscalingsystem where, for example, when one starts the game at level one, the enemies in the levelscaled zones would range from 1 to 10, and after one hits somewhere between levels 12 to 15 (which ever works the best) some of the lower level creatures scale up to about level 18 to 25 (but not all, to not make the world appearing to spin around the player too much). This would offer both, challenge and sense of progression to the player, as one becomes better than the current enemies before they scale up again.

There wouldn't be any quest- or enemycompasses, but there would be (toggleable, perhaps) minimap in which you could see the living beings in immediate vicinity. Perception would determine the range in which you see things, and with a perk (with appropriate requirements - outdoorsman and perception, for example) you could tell the difference between friendly (green dot), neutral (yellow dot) and hostile (red dot) targets.

The questcompass would be replaced by mere markers on the map which would point towards a general area instead of the exact target. And with that, the quest descriptions would be more accurate.

The wrist pipboy would be scrapped and replaced by a more handheld PDI like contraption, which would offer a more userfriendly inventorysystem (something like mix of what Morrowind or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. had, for example) with less scrolling while still holding the tabs to sort items by their nature, a one page charactersheet much akin to the original games. Opening inventory wouldn't pause the game (could be tied to difficulty - normal and beyond: No inventorypause, for example).

Skillcap would remain at 100, but the cost to raise them would rise as follows: 1-50 1:1, 51-75 2:1, 76-100 3:1, the point being, the better you get the more difficult it is to get even better - this would make a maxed skill equal to skillcap of 175 - and I think it'd be easier to utilize the full scale of the skill, if it caps at 100 (instead of having skills cap at 200 or 300). Also, the gaps between levels would be raised:

How it is now (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level):
Spoiler
z=n+(y+150)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 350 - 550
4 - 500 - 1,050
5 - 650 - 1,700
6 - 800 - 2,500
7 - 950 - 3,450
8 - 1100 - 4,550
9 - 1250 - 5,800
10 - 1400 - 7,200
11 - 1550 - 8,750
12 - 1700 - 10,450
13 - 1850 - 12,300
14 - 2000 - 14,300
15 - 2150 - 16,450
16 - 2300 - 18,750
17 - 2450 - 21,200
18 - 2600 - 23,800
19 - 2750 - 26,550
20 - 2900 - 29,450
21 - 3050 - 32,500
22 - 3200 - 35,700
23 - 3350 - 39,050
24 - 3500 - 42,550
25 - 3650 - 46,200
26 - 3800 - 50,000
27 - 3950 - 53,950
28 - 4100 - 58,050
29 - 4250 - 62,300
30 - 4400 - 66,700


How it should be (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level) for example:
Spoiler
z=n+(y+200)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 400 - 600
4 - 600 - 1,200
5 - 800 - 2,000
6 - 1000 - 3,000
7 - 1200 - 4,200
8 - 1400 - 5,600
9 - 1600 - 7,200
10 - 1800 - 9,000
11 - 2000 - 11,000
12 - 2200 - 13,200
13 - 2400 - 15,600
14 - 2600 - 18,200
15 - 2800 - 21,000
16 - 3000 - 24,000
17 - 3200 - 27,200
18 - 3400 - 30,600
19 - 3600 - 34,200
20 - 3800 - 38,000
21 - 4000 - 42,000
22 - 4200 - 46,200
23 - 4400 - 50,600
24 - 4600 - 55,200
25 - 4800 - 60,000
26 - 5000 - 65,000
27 - 5200 - 70,200
28 - 5400 - 75,400
29 - 5600 - 81,000
30 - 5800 - 86,800
31 - 6000 - 92,800
...and so on up to, say 50

The formula I made may not be correct, but the point remains.


Map and Travelling:


A return to the classic worldmap system (with some tweaks to make it look more... erm, "modern"). The actual FPP/TPP playground area would be roughly about 2x the size of Fallout New Vegas; and the area is divided into 5-7 (or so) hubs scattered in the worldmap which vary in size and content. General gameplay in those would be about the same as in F3 and F:NV, run around and do local quests and explore.

When you enter the node you could spawn at any "formidable" (as in settlementlike in size) location you've already found. The first time entering a node you would spawn at the side of the map on special spawnpoint for that purpose (which could be used later on too, of course).

Outdoorsmanskill is reintroduced (or merged within the Survival skill) and works similiarly to Fallout 1&2 with the difference that nonhostile encounters are always avoidable should the player so decide (to decrease the amount of loadscreens).

The worldmap itself is zoned in couple of ways:
- The farther away from the starting position, the harder the enemies and vice versa; but there is still a (small) chance to encounter harder enemies on starting grounds and vice versa, based on outdoorsmanskill, luck and placement of the zone (but still keeping the MQ areas within reasonable range of enemies).
- The map is zoned into territories, which each have their set of unique enemies as well as a few commonones that can be found on every zone.

Each zone has about 5-7 small maps for random/special encounters, which are either hostile or nonhostile, and are based on the topography of the location in the worldmap and the contents of the encouters would be based on the zone in which it occurs.

The visitable locations on map would be as follows: A settlement - with explorable wasteland around it to provide smaller sidequest and exploring. Or just a visitable location like a majorsized building, militarybase, factory etc. They could even include two settlements, but in general all towns would be much bigger than those in Fallout 3 or New Vegas.

Each settlement has its own set of architecture (not too different from other settlements, but so that one can tell the difference), general theme and mindsets. These are small things, but they would add a lot of variety to the game.

Entering worldmap from a node would happen through the edges of the map. In Fallout 3, when you bumb to an edge of the map, you get a popup message that says: "you cannot go further that way" - now it would be like this: "e) enter worldmap".

To not have to always run to the edge of a map, you could use the minimenu command "Enter Worldmap", which could not be used indoors, during combat or if there are enemies nearby. However, escaping combat through the edge of the map would be possible.


Repairing:

Repairing happens either with repairkits, by gunsmiths in towns/caravans, or by a duplicate.

The kits would repair a fixed and relatively large amount of CND and have limited amount of succesful uses (and would offer a small bonus to the skill and crit. failure) each, but they would be expensive to buy, weight a somewhat hefty amount and would also be weakened and eventually broken by a certain amount of critical failures and general wear. Gunsmiths and repairmen would be very expensive but would get the job done no matter what. A duplicate would repair a small amount of CND (with no bonuses or hits to skill or crit. chance) so that you'd have to weigh the benefit of losing the weapons monetary value against the increase in CND (at least at early stages of the game).

Success in repairing is dependant on repairskill (a diceroll happens, dreadful I know). And the repairing takes a certain amount of time (few seconds) depending on the chance of success.

One would now be able to repair guns and armor beyond his/her skill but the further above the skill they go the harder they would get to repair. The math is irrelevant (as long as it complements the premise), but here's a quick idea on how it could go:

After the guns/armors condition is above the skill, the amount going above is turned into percentages that is taken away from the skill. IE: skill = 30 and rifles condition = 80. Condition - skill = 50. 50% of skill (30) is 15. So trying to repair a weapon in condition of 80 with a repairskill of 30 would give a chance of success of 15%. This is not necesserely realistic, but it is assuming that the more shiny the condition gets, the more difficult (but not impossible) it would be to repair it further.

Guns and armor would also have a chance for a critical failure if an attempt to repair fails. Critical failure, instead of repairing the gun, has a reverse effect. The chance would be from 1% to 10% (depending on the weapon) if a trait or a perk doesn't raise/lower it.

The increased hardship of repairing would be compensated via much slower degredation rate (based on the weapon, of course), though the effects of CND (jamming during firing, reloading disorders, rate of fire, damage, buying/selling values) would also be much bigger and frequent.

There would also be a possibility to repair broken robots or computers or what ever there is to repair, by pointing the target opening minimenu and selecting repair.


Healing & drugs:

Stimpak usage would be animated, so no more smashing a quick key for dozens of stims in few seconds (I like this method more than the concept of heal overtime from HC-mode of F:NV). The speed of the animation would be dependant of the related skill (doctor). More over stims now would always heal the same amount (no skill effect in there), and they would come in two variations: stimpaks and superstimpaks. Both of which would be rare and expensive (so that you cannot live off of them, but also have to rely on other methods of healing) and superstims much more so than ordinary stims.

The player would have a tolerance meter which would measure how much the player can medicate himself before overdosing. Overdosing would cause an instant loss of health according to how much the limit is surpassed and would also cause some visual distortions and statloss. The effect would last for a while and the time would be depending on endurance and doctor skill (and perks/traits that would modify it). The tolerance meter slowly lowers itself after the medication is done, and the magnitude it is filled is dependant on the drug used (powerful drugs - like Jet and superstims for example - obviously fill it more quickly), related skill and perks/traits modifying it. Using food as a healer would not affect the tolerance meter, but food would have a heal-over-time effect.

Doctorskill would be reintroduced and so would manual healing. Manual healing would be similiar to Fallout 1 & 2 (only a few uses/24hours - they would take few in-game hours to be completed - success is determined by skill), and couldn't be used in combat or when enemies are nearby. Healing cripples wouldn't be possible with stims or sleeping, but would require manual healing and the ability to heal cripples would be dependant of the doctorskill and the skillrequirements of the crippled bodypart (head and torso would be harder to treat than legs and hands), otherwise a doctor is a must see.

Manual healing would be entered by the minimenu, which would also have the "heal other" option to heal a companion or other alive being in need of assistance.

Healing through sleeping would work similiarly to Fallout 1 & 2.

Addiction would need a doctor or a certain amount (pretty long) of time to heal. Radiation poisoning needs a doctor or radaway (which would be rare and expensive).


Gunplay & VATS (should it be implemented):


Skills would now have much heavier effect on waivering than what it is in F3, utilizing the skill and STR requirement system from New Vegas (but more heavyhandedly). In addition, the players stance, movement, weapons type and recoil also would affect it.

The normal (according to skill) situation would be standing still and aiming through iron sights (which would reduce waivering). Crouching would give a small bonus to accuracy and going prone would give a slightly bigger bonus (with the bonus from aiming coming on top of that). The tradeoff with going prone and being accurate would be extremely slow moving and turning, and it would take its time for the player to get up and ready the weapon again. Firing from the hip would cause bigger spread. Movement would also give a hit to accuracy -- the faster you move, the bigger the waivering with ironsights and spread with hipfiring. Recoil would work dynamically based on the gun used, and would throw the aim off a bit with each shot (while bursting, the amount of recoil per shot would stack up eventually leading to firing straight up -- with hipfire, the "offaim" would be a bit smaller, but the spread would increase).

Guns would do generally more damage and the damagestats would be ranges. IE: Huntingrifle - dmg 11-20, like in Fallout 1&2, but with growth of related skill raising the minimum amount closer to the maximum (though not as far as up to having a static damage, there would always be some range left).

In vats you would now have an option to choose a firing mode. Rapid fire - a hastily aimed rapid shooting towards the target; or aimed shots, which would be the opposite of rapid fire.

Rapid fire would lower the accuracy a bit and you could only target a foe as a whole; but it would spend less actionpoints, while aimed shots would cost more and calculate the accuracy without minuses, and you would be able to target specific body parts. The bonuses and hits of chosen stance would be similiar to those in realtime firing.

Being prone in vats would force you to choose a firing sector (so that the player doesn't spin like a dreidel in all directions while being the most accurate he can). Prone position would also be the most expensive stance to fire from, while standing would be the cheapest, and being crouched in the middle. The player would be able to change his preferred stance in VATS, but at a cost.

Lockpicking:

Success is determined by skill so that you can try to pick any lock from very easy to very hard; and NO minigame involved. It would work somewhat like repairing; lock level - skill (if the skill is under the lock level) = percentual number that is taken from the skill. If the skill surpasses lock level, the chances are purely skillbased with maximum chance of success being 95% (this, the max chance, would go for every chance based system). And the percentual chance would be presented when moving the reticle over the locked object: E) Pick lock [Very hard: 13%], for example.

Lockpicking would be animated so that you either see your characters hands doing the job (FP view) or seeing your character from behind (TP view). You would have the ability to turn your head (or the camera) some ways left and right to see if someone is coming - so the game doesn't pause during the picking. But looking away from what you're doing, would have an effect (see below).

Picking locks would take a certain amount of time depending on your skill and level of the lock (aka the chance of success). When attempting, there would be a timebar similiar to what Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines had. Skill would give bonuses to the time it takes to pick a lock in such manner that you don't get bonuses to picking hard locks before your skill surpasses maximum level of normal locks. More over, the bonuses would stop stacking up after your skill surpasses the next level of difficulty (no bonuses to picking normal locks after skill level of 75, for example, depicting that there is no way to open that kind of lock any better - other than with a fluke).

Each lock would have a certain amount of tries before (if you keep failing) the lock jams for a certain amount of time (preferably at least a couple of weeks, so that your attempts at just waiting at the lock for it to unjam would be a tedious job and prevent exploitation of the system). Moreover locks would have a chance for a critical failure that would immediately jam the lock despite if it was you first attempt, and critical success, which could occur at any point during the time it takes to pick the lock -- both of these chances would be very small.

This system would also be fit for hacking.


Difficulty settings:


The difficulty setting would affect the following: Staring points of skills (this would work so that easy players would be able to max out almost everything and the harder you go the less you can max and the more you need to rely on specialization) and the gaps between the levels, the availability and prices of supplies (money, weapons, ammo, armor, meds, food etc), the number of enemies encoutered, starting health, slight changes on damage and enemy health modifiers, the severity of negative effects (crippled limbs etc).


TL;DR?

Make the game lean less towards the TES style of gameplay - find a better middleground in between - to create a greater diversity between the two franchises.

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Companions
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Companions:

Have charisma determine how many companions we can get.

Have companions have interactive dialogue between each other and have some dialogue locked out until we advance in certain quests or go to certain areas or speak to certain people. (In order to have them always have "something" to say, I hated how I could deplete companion dialogue so easily in FNV)

Have at least a dozen (preferabely more) companions and have some that doesn't like each other. (Not every companion has to be a book of text but none of them should be just a line of text either, simply needs more companions for conflicting interests and morals to work.)

Have companions have their own morals, have each of them have ultimatums during certain quests, like if you want to help J instead of M your companion will tell you that he/she/it cannot believe you want to side with J and says that they'll leave if you side with them. (Companions have their own morals, they should stand by everything we do.)

Have certain companions be very strict with what they will equip. (Like Boone, he should've been more attached to his Hunting Rifle and refused to change to something else because of this sole connection he has to his past.)

Don't follow the same formula of 1 SM, 1 ghoul, 1 animal and 1 robot, switch it up a little, maybe 2 ghouls, 1 super mutants, 2 animals and no robot companions.
Just no more of that same formula, it's getting predictable and boring. It can very well still be a Fallout game without a robot or animal or super mutant companion.

Have certain companions have defects and specialized skills, like Cassidy, if you gave him Psycho or Jet he would suffer a heartattack and die.
It makes for more realism to not have everyone be in top shape.

And certain companions should have other skills to help you out, Arcade for example should have been able to hack computers for you, he should also have been able to perform First Aid and Doctor once a day if you've run out of stimpacks, hydra and doctors bags. I know there are companions perks, but those are always passive, I want active companion skills too.



SPECIAL
Spoiler
Change in SPECIAL:

Strength:
  • Each point in strength raises carry weight.
  • It increases Blade, Blunt and HtH damage too. Say a weapon has 5 in STR requirement, that means that it's damage presented will be the norm, now, if you have 6 in STR you get a 0.10x bonus in damage, meaning a weapon that requires 3 in STR req gets a whopping bonus of 0.70x in damage.
    It also works the other way, so if a weapon has 5 in STR req and you have 4 then you get -0.15x in damage.
  • Strength also affects the chance at which you can be knocked down, and also decides how much recoil a weapon will have if you meet the soft requirement for the weapon or above.





Perception:
  • Perception affects your accurcy, the less you have the worse you'll shoot, the more you have the more of a bonus you'll get towards accurcy.
  • Perception also allows you to see traps better, meaning that if you don't meet the PER requirement to see the trap or don't have a sufficient Traps skill then the trap will be invisible to you until something trips it. (same with mines.)
  • At gas areas where the gas can be ignited will only show it's blurryness if you have 4> in PER.
  • PER allows you to notice of a food or drink item has been tampered with. (Survival also affects that.) ((This is mostly for certain quests.))
  • It decides at what distance enemies will show up.
  • If you have 2 or less in PER then everything from 70 meters away will be somewhat blurry. (If you have 1 or 2 in PER then glasses give x2 PER.)





Endurance:
  • How much your health will be through the entire game. (Base health is 50, each END give +15 HP) ((You no longer get any more HP from leveling up, the END you have will this time around actually be important.))
  • How fast action points generate
  • How much stamina you have for sprinting.
  • Poison and radiation resistance.
  • Chem addiction resistance.





Charisma:
  • Charisma affects Nerve stat for companions which determines how much they will follow orders and how strong they are.
  • It also affects the number of companions you can hire.
  • NPC's in the game follow a "personal rep" meter this time around, meaning that if you for example help that rancher guy in Novac to find out what is killing his brahmins and solve the quest then you get +20 personal rep with him and +10 with everyone else in the town.
    The personal rep will decide the NPC's attitude towards you, how big the reward will be, how much of a discount you'll get and of course; When a NPC will give you a quest. (Boone for example would not give you his personal quest until your rep is at 50 with him, meaning you have to solve other quests in the town before his open up.)
    But here is where charisma comes in. CHA decides the base personal rep with NPC's, 5 is neutral, 6 means +5 and 10 means +20 in initial person rep with all NPC's in the game, while 4 means -10 and 1 means -40.
    Personal rep is also affected by other things like what faction you've helped or messed with, how much you buy items from stores (not sell, but buy), if you're female or male, if you have six appeal, black widow, lady killer, confirmed bachelor and cherchez le femme. (Might also count towards other perks, like Tribal Wisdom will inherently give +5 personal rep with any and all tribals in the game upon selecting it.)
    Personal rep is a very cranky thing, you can be loved by the entire town but because you accidentally made a joke about the bartenders late wife he'll still hate you.
    So NPC's will remember things, not everything is in the collective factions anymore but their personal opinions about you. (Though Faction reputation will still exist and still have a large importance.)
    So Charisma helps out with giving you a nice boost to this.
    And with a mid-high level CHA perk you only get half as much negative personal rep from people when you do them ill.





Intelligence:
  • Intelligence affects how many skill points you receive from skill books.
  • It affects how much of a bonus you will receive from skill magazines and how long it will be.
  • It affects a lot more dialogue options.
  • It determines how many skill points you'll receive.
  • It also have effect on how whether other highly intelligent characters in the game will think of you. (Personal rep) If you have a low INT they will consider you a savage and won't bother discussing things with you.





Agility:
    Affects:
  • jumping height
  • jumping length
  • fall damage
  • reload speed
  • close combat attack speed
  • Total amount of action points.





Luck
  • Determines how often/seldom you will receive critical failures: getting knocked down, getting twice as long poison length, accidentally dropping a weapon, getting blocked despite high Blunt and STR, receiving critical hits et cetera.
  • Determines your luck on the gambling table.
  • Determines how successful you'll be when you try to smuggle something in without a high Deception skill.
  • Determines how lucky/unlucky you'll be at the operating table. (quest wise when NPC's can be healed Luck will affect your performance despite your skill, so with Luck 1 you might accidentally kill Caesar even with 100 Medicine. (Luck overpowers any skill your character may have, cause no matter how skilled she/he is Luck is cosmic, it doesn't care how skilled you are, you have bad luck then bad things will happen to you.)
  • 1 Luck means you have a 0.1% chance to choke on an edible item and die.
  • Luck affects how successful your sneak attempt will be. (With a bad luck the logical conclusion is that a top ninja could still mess up despite his training.)
  • Just a veeeery little thing but: it affects how often NPC's will accidentally give you a bit more in quest reward due to them counting wrong. (High luck) Might just be 6 stimpacks when you were suppose to only get 5, or it might be 50 caps extra because the quest giver overlooked how much money he actually had at hand.



Overall it means that with a bad luck the game will curbstomp you, and with good luck it will pleasure you. (Does not mean it's insta-win by any means, just means you'll be more lucky here and there.)



Skills
Spoiler
This is the skill list I would like to see for Fallout 4.

01. Blade
02. Blunt
03. Hand to Hand

04. Guns
05. Chemical Weapons

06. Explosives
07. Energy Weapons

08. Persuasion
09. Deception
10. Barter

11. Gambling (Only if gambling minigames are removed)
12. Chemistry (Primarily crafting but has other uses too.)
13. Mechanics (cosmetic change from Repair (Includes some aspect of Science as well))

14. Pilot (Only if Vehicles are present.)
15. Electronics
16. Medicine

17. Survival
18. Outdoorsman (Only if a map node system is in place with world travel)
19. Hacking
20. Lockpicking

21. Steal
22. Sneak
23. Traps (Only if there is a good amount of traps and we can craft and use our own.)
24. Armorer

Now let me explain them.

1. While swords (fencing) and knifes are different combat styles I'd rather not make a long list too long, but bladed weapons and blunt weapons function differently.
Blunt weapons use brute force to crush the enemy, while bladed weapons, which are mostly knifes, aren't really a strong suit for someone to charge a deathclaw with.
So Blade is mostly the stealth skill, an assassin skill, but there "are" weapons that are of more impact that you can use like swords, machetes and fire axes but they are harder to find. Spears go in this skill too, they function completely different but again, the skill list is already long, better to just throw them in here. Thrown spears on the other hand are governed by the Throwing skill.

2. Blunt, the omega to it's alpha, the straight forward brute skill, heavier, louder, stronger, while Blade weapons have a greater critical chance, critical damage and a bleed effect the Blunt skill's weapons are high DAM but slower and not very suitable for sneaky kills.

3. Basically Unarmed with a name change, think it freshens it up a little. It's core design is the same but it would be nice with more combat moves and to be able to kick like in the old games. (And kick down doors as well. )

4. Throwing, now throwing is a tricky skill and most definitely an under dog when compared to the rest, but I still think that players should be given the option to specialize in a less valid combat skill if they choose to, but the skill will support grenades as well.
Grenades are governed by this skill AND Explosives skill, they are combo weapons, if you have 200 in Throwing you will be just as proficient with grenades as you would with 200 in Explosives, on the other hand, if you have 200 in both skills you don't get any duplicate bonus for it, 200 in one skill means you've learned how to use them to perfection, you can't learn "double perfection". So while governed by both, leveling both is unnecessary.

6. Chemical Weapons, this weapon skill includes all fire based weapons chemical weapons, fire included, Flame Gun, Flame Rifle, Flamer, Incinerator, Incendiary Grenade et cetera.
It should be it's own skill because fire based weapons does not fit in any other skill (Except incendiary grenade).
If you build in this skill you will have it easier and have it harder, the damage of the weapons is quite large but the problem is their ammo consumption.
They're also "rare'ish". You can get the Flame Gun easily of course but the rest is a lot harder to come by.

9. Why o why is Big Guns on the list? Cause it should be, Big Guns governs all BIG weapons, just like it has done before, but this skill is completely filled with combo weapons.
If you have 200 in Guns you can use minigun to perfection, but if you have 200 in Big Guns you can use minigun AND the rest of the big weapons to perfection.
So Minigun is still a Guns, Gatling Laser is still an Energy Weapon, and GMG is still an Explosive, but this skill let's you use all of them.

10/11. Why the split of Speech? Because they're both different. Persuasion means you know how to persuade people it has a lot more dialogue options than deception does, but deception governs the success rate of disguising yourself, the game should of course need more infiltration missions in order for disguises to be more of use.
Anyway, just cause you're a smooth talker don't mean you have a poker face, they're both different, and should be split so.
Deception also means you know where to hide stuff on yourself and not making them "stand out" and can smuggle items.

13. I think that Gambling should be reinstated and that the minigames should be removed, I hate the minigames, if I want to play black jack I'll go online and find a game to play. Gambling should be based on character skill, not player skill, so yes, back with Gambling.

14. Chemistry is a crafting skill primarily, with this one you know how to craft various drugs, poisons, acids and other items.
Chemistry should also have it's quest and event sequences, maybe there's some mold on a beam supporting a house and your character figures out that he can use chemical component #42 and apply it to the mold which creates acid and therefor eats away at the beam, collapsing the house. (Dunno how this would work or if it even could work but yknow, have certain moments where a high Chemistry skill can come in handy.)

15. Mechanics is a renamed Repair, functions basically the same way, it has a bit of Science in it as well, but mostly it's a cosmetic change.
Well, that is IF we have vehicles. If we do have vehicles in FO4 then this skill will come in handy for repairing vehicles and sabotaging others.

16. Pilot, well... Vehicles, if they're in the game then the Pilot skill determines how good your character is at steering the vehicle and how far he can jump with it and other things. (I'm not very interested in cars so I don't know what a good driver can do with a car really.)

17.

Electronics said:
Another use for Electronics is of course quest specifics.
Example, you want to infiltrate an okay tech base of a faction, with electronics you know how to work the wires and can cut the power, disabling all equipment in there that is supported by electricity. (Computers, turrets, electronic locks, et cetera)
You can of course turn the power back on after you're done.

Another example.
There is a pretty awesome mounted gun (Think Howitzer Cannon but more high tech) that a faction has, by rewiring the cables you can make this thing stop working, you can set up a trap and make it so that this thing overloads in power and blows up, or you can use it as an alternative to firing the thing.

Yknow, quest specifics.

And as other have said: Crafting energy ammo, electronic lockpicks and other electricity powered items.


18. Medicine... I'd rather have First Aid and Doctor back but there are already so many skills on here.

20. If we have a map node system with random encounters then this skill will function just like in the old games.

21. Hacking, what it sounds like, you can hack any computer interface with a deep coded lock.

23. Steal, I think that Steal should be brought back, but if brought back then there should be a lot more moments where can steal something of value.
Not necessarily of $ value but rather quest value, say someone has a key on himself, you could either disguise yourself with Deception and say you're a new high ranking officer, you could use Electronics to turn off the lights by cutting some wires and have him lured to the wires trying to fix it and shocking himself unconseaus(???) you could smooth talk him with Persuasion or you could use the Steal skill to take it from him.

22. Sneak only means you're great at keeping yourself undetected, it does NOT mean you're a great thief and it does NOT you know how to conceal items better.
Just means your footsteps are that of a mouse and you blend in with the darkness, mainly for getting around undetected and to silently kill things.

25. And finally, Traps, first off, traps should be more deadly, secondly, there should be more of them, ranging from a huge log chained to the ceiling to an alarmed door.
So for the skill to be worth it let there be more traps, hell, let there be moments (not a lot) were you can't even continue further in a building until you've disarmed the trap.
You can also create traps of your own, and yes, they are very deadly.

23. (This thing is a mess..) Armorer, used for crafting new armors and for reinforcing old ones and generally maintaining armors, this means that Mechanics/Repair does NOT repair armors, it's all decided on this skill. So if you have a low Armorer but high Mechanics/Repair then you'll be crap at repairing armors but great at repairing weapons.


Skill cap should be 200. (I'd rather have it at 300 though.)


Hmm, the Electronics skill could also provide the player with a perk later on that allows to convert robots and turrets to the PC's side.
Could be useful for a pacifist to walk around with 5 Mr Gutsy's and not having to do much fighting themselves.
Of course, repairing the robot is still governed by Mechanics though.
And the robots don't get "any" +damage or +health when they're with the PC, they're only meant to be temporary.

And bad karma you brought up another good point, Chemistry could allow to create a stronger form of acid capable of destroying the lock of a container, but with an insufficient skill proficiency the PC would not be able to rescue the items in time until the acid destroyed them too.
Hmm, I'm thinking of clorophome for it as well so we can abduct people for quests and giggles. The greater the skill the more potent it is and the longer the abductee is unconscious.

Could see lots of fun coming from these two skills.



Races
Spoiler
Let us choose what race to be in Fallout 4.

Start out with:
* Wastelander > Prime Normal (race trait)
* Super Mutant > Nightkin (race trait)
* Android

* Ghoul
* Trog

Android (UnDeCafIndeed + Gabriel)
Pro's
- Base HP (before endurance effect) x1.5
- Double effects from endurance
- +1 to Str, End and Per (changed my mind with the perception)
- +5 initial DT
- Does not require SLP/FOD/H2O
- +2 to detecting enemies on radar (10 real PER = 12 PER for the detecting enemies)
- Unique perks exclusive to Androids
- Immune to radiation and poison

Con's
- Base skillpoint gain halved (if the formula is 10+(intx0.5), it would be 5+(intx0.5) for androids)
- Perks one level later than others (if normal rate is 1:2, for android it'd be 1:3)
- -2 to max int and cha
- When lit on fire, it lasts twice aslong as with others, though fire does not do more damage than normally
- Does require ENRG and SYN
- Pulse or Tesla or Shock weapons inflict twice as much damage on Androids.
- Harder to heal oneself due to very expensive mechanics NPC's and expensive healing items.
- Harder to find healing supplies, those one does find (scrap metal/electronics) does very little to heal oneself
- Very reliant on Electronics and Mechanics which means Android players might have a slightly/heavily limited amount of skills.



Wastelander
Pro's
* Bonus to initial reaction from humans.

Con's
* Initial reaction from mutants and ghouls halved.

Wastelanders have no greater pro's nor con's over the other races, they are the default race, basically, they are the SPECIAL 5.5.5.5.5.5.5.
The race with the most freedom but also with the least bonuses and penalties.

Prime Normal trait tweaks:
Pro's
* +1 INT
* +1 CHA
* Persuasion, Deception, Barter, Electronics, Mechanics and hacking gain x1.5 (This meanas that with this race trait and the normal trait Good Natured you can get a massive head start on support skills with the extreme drawback to combat skills.)

Con's
* Endurance effects with +% to rad and poison resistance is halved.
* All combat skills are decreased by x1.5



Super Mutant
Pro's
* Base health x2.5 (Base health is 100 in FO3 and NV so it's 250 for Super Mutants.)
* +5 to min STR (6 is the lowest, can't go lower than that. (How much sense would it make for a super mutant with 3 in strength?)
* x1.5 damage with all blunt weapons and Hand to Hand weapons.
* x1.5 reloading speed and equipment speed with big weapons (minigun, flamer, gatling laser)
* Immunity to Radiation and +30% poison resistance.
* +10% damage resistance against laser, explosives, bullets and fire.

Con's
* -6 to max INT (V87 super mutant = dumb dumb by even Tabithas dumb dumb's standards.)
* -4 to max CHA
* Due to super mutants hostility towards humans a lot of them will kill SM's on sight and the rest will be very suspicious of you.
* Cannot use smaller weapons. (SMG's, pistols, revolvers, sawn off shotguns et cetera.)
* Has veeeeeery few armors in the game.


Nightkin trait tweaks: (Sebor13 + Gabriel)
Pro's
* Stealthboys last twice as long and can be used two times before depletion. (Perk later on can allow to recharge depleted stealthboys.)
* Have a greater chance to find stealthboys in random container spawns.
* x2.0 sneak. (If base sneak with tagged is 30 then it becomes 60)
* +1 min AGI

Con's
* health is x1.5
* +3 to min STR
* -2 CHA for super mutant NPC's. (Due to the schizophrenia.)
* You occasionally hear whispers and enemy voices and can see random red dots pop up on the compass while there is nothing there. (Craziness.)
* Friendly NPC's can also show up as hostile dots on the radar.




Ghoul (UnDeCafIndeed + Gabriel)
Pro's
* Each tagged skill earns 2.5 more skill points than for other races. (Ghouls have after all lived for a very very long time.) (So if base is 15 then it means 37 per tagged skill)
* Machines that use "detect life" scanners cannot see them. (Thanks to Broken Steel that made ghouls have 0% body heat...)
* Gain exclusive perks surrounding radiation bonuses. (Healing crippled limbs, storing radiation, unleashing a radiation cloud like Glowing Ones can, stuff like that.) (Hell, every race except for Wastelanders and Prime Normals should get exclusive perks for their races.)
* 100% radiation resistance.
* Radiation heals over time (slowly). (Both health and crippled limbs.)
* Kinsman ability, feral ghouls and aggressive SM's are more likely to leave the player alone if not provoked (not being friendly, just having a possibility to be less agressive and ignore the player).
* Bonus to initial reaction for non-feral ghouls, neutral/friendly SM's and human ghoulsympathisers (excluding characters with set mindsets).

Con's
* Cannot wear heavy armor or power armor.
* -1 to Charisma (I saw that thing on Arcanum about "beauty" and I think that would suit ghouls better but since we only have Charisma I guess this'll have to do.)
* -1 to Agility. (They aren't exactly the best gymnastics, they'd probably lose a limb if entering the OS. )
* -2 to max Endurance.
* No natural DT or DR.
* +15% recieved damage.
* (those two due to skin and flesh conition)
* Initial reaction from humans halved (other than ghoulsympathisers).
* Slower movement than humans.



Troglodyte
Pro's
* +7 DT (due to their thick skin
* Sees better in dark areas
* x1.5 to Traps, Survival skills
* x1.5 to base health
* +2 to min END
* x3.0 to END effects. (Radiation and poison resistance.)
* Gain no penalties to any races initial reactions, Trogs are neutral with all other races. (Ferals and krazies can still attack them but are not "as" likely to do so.)

Con's
* Takes longer time to adjust to bright areas when leaving a dark area
* -2 to max ITN
* -2 to max CHA
* -2 to max AGI
* Gains no bonuses to initial reactions.



Unlootable Armors
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Unlootable armor/clothing:
* If you explode the enemies head then their headgear is destroyed.
* If you shoot off an arm, leg or explode the entire body then the armor is destroyed too.
* If an enemies armor reaches 0 CND then it becomes broken beyond repair, so even if you don't chop off a limb the armor might still be unlootable.

This means that it's best to go for headshots and try to get as little "splatter" as possible.



No more health for leveling up
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Here's a wild idea, how about having fixed player health?
No +hp per level.
The only way to get an increase in health is by taking Intense Training>Endurance, Lifegiver or getting an Endurance implant.
If they balance the enemies health, damage and armor around this fixed health then it could produce a more balanced combat.

So it's base health + ENDx#.
Say that base health is 50 and each END gives +5, this means that top health for a lvl 1 player is 100.
By getting Lifegiver we get +15 more health and by taking rank two we get +15 more.
The max amount of health is then 130 for the player character.

This means that armor is far more important than it was before and if balanced right then even regular small time raiders could become a challenge if the player isn't careful.
Right now I feel that END is pointless, it used to give more health per level the higher it was, now all it does is increase base health, so if it's gonna stay that way then remove the +hp per level and balance the game's combat around it.

(All weapon stats will of course have to be changed.)

Why I would like this is because I feel that humans should be humans, this doesn't necessarily mean realistic combat (headshot=instakill) but the player character should not be able to walk around like a god because he/she has 500% more health than the average human in the game.
So the player character can get better in his/her skills and get perks and traits (which a large amount of NPC's should have as well.) but we don't magically become a bullet sponge.

It's just that, how come we can walk around with a ridiculous amount of health while the NPC's don't get to?
I understand that with better Endurance we can withstand more damage, but how do we magically get this +health increase per level?
We should not be any better with health than other humans are.
Why should we? Cause we're the player character? Yeah, we've seen how balanced that turned out in FO3 and FONV.
It all depends on your and enemies END stat.
If an NPC has 8 END and a metal armor MK II it means that it's a tough son of a [censored].
If he wields a minigun then we should fear for out lives.

So say we find 5 raiders, three of them have END 6 while two have END 3.
Their health is: 80+80+80+65+65.
Your character has END 8, it's 90.
Total amount of health is 370 versus 90.
Depending on your equipment and theirs they can present a tremendous challenge.
The strength is in numbers, the more enemies you face the harder they will become.
Cause while facing one of them is reasonable since you both have the same amount of health facing 5 means their health tops yours.

Make combat more exciting by making all humans equal, all depending on what armor and END stat we/they have.

Only problem I see for this is those that "want" demi-god characters.
But yknow what?
If you want a demi-god then turn the difficulty down to Very Easy AKA Cakewalk.

Note: I know I can nerf myself, thing is, I shouldn't have to, the game should be balanced towards making a challenge to the player.
Extra Note: I know that this might seem unorthodox(Is this the right word?) for an RPG but what harm comes out of it? We can still improve our health if we wish to it's just that we don't get such an absurd health over other humans.
Third Note: Players are given health every tenth level. ENDx0.5hp. At level 40 the total amount of a 10 END character is +20hp. (if cap is at 50 then the total health a player can earn is 155. (Which is well over any human character. Still less than super mutants, trogs, deathclaws or giant radscorpions though.)



Disadvantages (Yay for self enforced perma-nerf)
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Add Disadvantages to the character creation.
Disadvantages are strictly negative features for those of us who want to roleplay or gimp our characters permanently.
So if we think that we are too powerful then at our next character we can pick the Bad Health disadvantage which lowers our base health by half.
Or we could pick the Barely Stabilized disadvantage which removes any health given by level ups.
Giving enough variations of Disadvantages we can optimize the game more for our preference and us who want it to be harder can make it so by permanent gimps.
Those who does not wish to use these don't have to.
You can pick as many Disadvantages as you want.
Examples:
* Enemies give twice as much damage.
* Poisons are twice as lethal. Rank 2: Trice as lethal. Rank 3: Four times as lethal.
* Limbs have 50% less maximum health.
* Permanently cripple [limb]. 6 ranks.
* Enemies reload 20% faster. Rank 2: 40%.
* Enemies run 10% faster. Rank 2: 20%. Rank 3: 30%.
* Enemies attack 10% faster. Rank 2: 20%. Rank 3: 30%. Rank 4: 40%. Rank 5: 50%.
* Stimpacks heal slower on hardcoe Mode.
* Food Items no longer give health.
* Water no longer give health.
* Radiation intake it doubled. Rank 2: Trippled. Rank 3: quadrupled. (Base rad 2rads/1sec, rank 1: 4rads/1sec, rank 2: 6rads/sec, rank 3: 8rads/sec.)
* Healing items are more expensive to buy.
* Radaways are rarer to buy.
* Critical failure is more likely to happen. Rank 2: likelier (This is a real word?).

By giving us this new self imposed permanent gimp feature we can create our own balance in the game and tweak it the way we want to.
Sure, we're suppose to play the game according to the game's set rules, but if you as developers fail to create good rules to follow that are balanced then we who are on consoles are [censored] all out of luck, cause at least PC users can get mods to tweak their balance.
This new mechanic is needed for us who want to create our own balance on consoles and maybe even PC, for us who feels that the game isn't hard enough and want to make it harder.
Sure, I can choose to, in Vegas and FO3, to avoid buying the radaways, but it feels like I'm locking myself out of the games content.
I cannot play the game as I want to play it.
If I find radaways I want to be able to buy them without worrying about breaking the balance.
So how are these permanent gimps different?
Well, they're permanent, for us who are weak willed and are bad at imposing limitations on ourselves this is a great solution.
Cause once we create the character then the damage is done, no matter how much I want to find 200 radaways I simply won't be able to.
It's like a bandaid, imposing limitations on ourselves as it currently stand can be like pulling it off very slowly and then placing it back on the skin and slowly pulling it off again, it's annoying and slightly painful.
But these disadvantages are like pulling it clean off, once you've checked the ones you want and finish character creation then the changes has been made.
I for one am bad at imposing limitations on myself, when I find a new great weapon I want to be able to use it without having to worry about enemies becoming too easy to kill, so with Disadvantages I can check the box to make them have more health or DT or maybe lower my own damage by 10 to 50%.

I see no reason why this shouldn't be included.
Might take some coding and scripting to fix but once done it can really help people like me.
And if you don't like it, then you don't have to use it.
Win win in my eyes.

"But isn't like that now? If you don't want it to be unbalanced then don't use the good stuff?"
Yup, it is, but why shouldn't I be able to use the good stuff?
By including this new feature I can use the good stuff and still have it balanced.
I can choose to use any high level items, perks, armors, weapons, meds and chems I want to.
And if I checked a lot of Disadvantages at the start of the game then even though I use these high level stuff I can still have it balanced.

"But won't they have to balance the game towards these?"
No, they won't. The reason for these is to simply make it harder in a vast variety of ways for the player.
It's only there for us who think the base game is not balanced.
So they only have to focus on balancing the Vanilla in their own way and leave it up to us to balance it out in our way with Disadvantages later if we feel that it isn't balanced.

And I don't think that too much time and resources will be spent on this.
They're basically like perks, just the other way around.
Can't be too hard to design, code, script, blabla for professional developers right?

[edit]

You get to relocate your disadvantages at lvl 10, 20 and 30 (every 10 levels).
Cause in case one disadvantage didn't turn out the way you expected you can still relocate it later on.
Would be kinda bad if you gimp yourself on a couple of things then at lvl 13 figure out it did not turn out the way you intended it to and are now stuck with that character or have to restart your entire character.
So you will be able to respec Disadvantages but you won't be able to do it any time you want to, you get 4 chances, one at creation and 3 more at each 10 levels.



I do NOT want
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So I've said tons of stuff I "want".
Time for stuff I absolutely do NOT want:

No Enclave as major faction, minor or like in New Vegas with remnants is fine.
No cover behind chest high wall mechanic unless it's completely optional. (Meaning I don't get shot dead four times over for not spurting from cover to cover.)
No automatic regeneration of health at the get go. Only allow that through perks and implants. And even then somewhat limited.
No linear game design a la FO3 where we're forced to join a faction we don't want to join.
No Liberty Prime or Oblivion ending where I don't get to do crap.

Don't continue the game past the ending, that's an Elder Scrolls thing, not a Fallout thing. Fallout needs to have lots and lots of ending sliders that tell the tale of the wasteland after we're done affecting it. Allowing us to continue will just devalue those ending sliders or the ending sliders will follow ES design and "not" change the world, which Fallout is all about; Changing the world.

No perk every level. And no perk every other level if the cap is higher than 30. Make it every third and make them more powerful instead.
No slow-mo feature, this isn't Max Payne.
No Matrix jumping around crap, this isn't Wet.
Don't merge Guns and EW, this isn't Elder Scrolls.
Do NOT allow us to get pregnant or have a child, a baby takes 9 months, this isn't Fable.

Don't allow us romance options in the game if the writing for that romance isn't loooooooong and very greatly written. (Long enough that it doesn't just "stop" like companions do after we've exhausted their dialogue options and personal quests.)

Don't allow us to buy shops here and there, this isn't Fable. Allow us to buy "maybe" ONE shop, and have another one where a guy wants to go into a partnership with you where he does all the paperwork and you do the more practical things.

No realistic health and headshots as default, have that in a [Realism Mode] or exclude it completely.
No bullet sponges.
No more "[Intelligence 8] So you fight the good fight with your voice?" *shudders*
No more super mutants that can be killed with a freaking hunting rifle.
No more 1 damage from a super mutant fist to the face.
No more level scaling.
No more dungeons every 40 meters.
No more generic Raiders, all groups in the game has to have a name and some lore building to them through notes, dialogue, quests and audio logs.

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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:15 am

Option to paint your armor would be cool. Or adding stuff to it, like a mohican on the helmet or a samurai style backbanner. Or feathers hanging from the helmet, like that old falloutpic where the tribal looking guy has a power armor helmet on.
More high tech stuff on helmets, night vision, heat vision, like you could give magic to your armor and such in oblivion. Or like in farcry where you could listen in on enemies talking from far away using the binoculars. In general upgrading your gear, like you could make magic swords and such i oblivion.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:37 am

Well I'm bored again so on with light armor.

Got bored so made this here WIP:

Neutral Armor

Neutral Clothing (Light Armor):

Mechanic jumpsuit
Brahmin-skin outfit
Dirty Chinese Jumpsuit
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Buisnessware
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Casualware
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Parkstroller outfit
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Relaxedware
Dirty/Grimy/Clean Pre-War Spring Outfit
Lab Coat
Merc Adventurer Outfit
Merc Charmer Outfit
Merc Cruiser Outfit
Merc Grunt Outfit
Merc Troublemaker Outfit
Merc Veteran Outfit
*NEW* Merc Legend Outfit
Naughty Nightware
Red Racer Jumpsuit
Sheriff's Duster
Slave Outfit
RobCo Jumpsuit
Roving trader Outfit
sixy Sleepware
Sleepware
Scientist Outfit
Wasteland Doctor's Fatigues
Wasteland Legend Outfit
Wasteland Scout Outfit
Wasteland Settler Outfit
Wasteland Surgeon Outfit
Wasteland Wanderer Outfit
Caravaneer Outfit
Flightsuit
*NEW* Tuxedo
Enclave Officer Outfit (part of challenge/quest to learn about the Enclave)
*NEW* Fancy Suit
Lab Coat
Field Hand Outfit
Patient Gown
Prosepctor's Outfit
Settler Outfit
*NEW* Duster Coat (just an ordianry one)

Neutral Light Armor:

Leather Armor
Leather Armor Reinforced Mk I
*NEW* Leather Armor Reinforced Mk II
Raider Blastmaster Armor
Raider Badlands Armor
*NEW* Leather Rebel Amor (similar to leather rebel in The Pitt)
Lightweight Leather Armor
Radiation Suit
Advanced Radiation Suit
All purpose Science Suit
*NEW* Lightweight Combat Armor (Pads appear slimmer and slight less of it)
*NEW* Vault Engineer Outfit (not a vault jumpsuit like a super construction outfit)


Neutral Medium Armor:

Combat Armor
Combat Armor Reinforced Mk I
Combat Armor Reinforced Mk II
Recon Armor
Lightweight Metal Armor

Neutral Heavy Armor:

Metal Armor
Metal Armor Reinforced
*NEW* Super Metal Armor (like a combination of metal armor and the mechanists armor)
T-45d Power Armor (only a few no brotherhood forms)
T-51b Power Armor (Very rare to find neutral)
Enclave Power Armor (found in challenge/quest to learn about the Enclave) 1 copy
Tesla Armor (found in challenge/quest to learn about the Enlcave) 1 copy
Enclave Hellfire Armor (found in challenge/quest ato learn about the Enclave) 1 copy

Alright that should be it for now.

I would gladly take any suggestions, and will eventually make something for faction armor, vault apparel, hats, helmets, and face wear.
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Post » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:05 am

There would be a minimenusystem that would trigger various functions needed during the gameplay. Pressing (for example) the mousewheel would open up a list (somewhat similiar to Fallout 1 and Fallout 2) beside the cursor that would present commands like Enter Worldmap, Heal, Heal Other, Repair, Rest/Wait etc. If well implemented, this could potentially offer a greater gameplay diversity through bigger possibilities for direct skilluses in several situations.


Love the Idea but I'm in the unfortunate position of not having a PC can run New Vegas properly let alone the next game, How would you propose a system like this work on consoles, I'd like them to use a menu system similar to Skyrim, but integrate it in universe for fallout.

But combat would be less frequent unless the player decides otherwise - in other words, you could pick some of your random fights. (Though I'd very, very much prefer it, I'm not suggesting ISO/TB gameplay, since I don't believe for a second that Beth would implement it no matter what.


Perhaps you should take a look at my options selection, It's supposed to replace difficulty menus completely and one of the mentioned features is about controlling enemy spawns.

Everything else in your post I'd say is very interesting but need more time to see if I wanted to criticise anything. It all seams very well thought out.
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