Fallout 4: Speculation, Suggestions & Ideas - Thread #54

Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:11 pm

Fallout 4: Speculation, Suggestions and Ideas


Thread #54


This topic is for ideas and suggestions for Fallout 4 so that we can keep all the discussion in one thread. Other very general idea/suggestion topics for a future Fallout game will either be closed, or moved to this one.

This thread should be used to discuss items you'd like to see in a future game, gameplay tweaks, quest ideas, things you hope are not in the next game and so on. If you want to discuss major issues, use a separate topic - such as the discussion about adding multi-player or co-op play, which already has a thread. Please search first to see if there is an active/recent thread on a particular topic.

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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:46 pm

Ley, is that a cat or dog with a hat on its head. It has been on my mind for some time now..

On topic.

Let the rat races begin with more interesting posts!
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:28 am

It seems pretty clear that it is a cat.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:55 pm

It seems pretty clear that it is a cat.

Seen a lot of dogs like that as well.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:12 am

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Small alien crashed wreackage town.
I want tribal weapons and pneumatic weapons to be added in.
sprint and varying terrain and the new hotlist.
More alien stuff, and I wanna know what all the pre-war government knew about them.
I want to be able to into a fullsize theme park.
CHANGEING FREAKING SEASONS, I want them possibly.
Well I was thinking along with the changeing seasons there could be seasonal quests/enemies, as well as holidays. I want to give a Raider a 12 gauge gift to the head.
I would love easter eggs from other games as well as movies and tv shows.
I want to know more about the pre-war government plans with the vaults. And what happened to the heads of all the major corporations.
Bring back the slavers, I need something good to hunt. Make sure they have good weapons and armors though, the slavers in Fallout 3 were mostly pushovers.
I want to see what happened to all the survivalist group's out there, and I would like to see some fallout shelters and bunkers that the civilain population built.
I've been thinking, why don't they have locations outside the main map before they even announce the dlc which then could either expand these out maps or add more of them.
One thing I would like again like I have said before, a alien town full of several different types of aliens. They should all be only in one area that you need to do and get certain things to get to them. And once you get to them you can't fast travel to them, you have to go up a mountain pass every time. I always liked the concept art of the stranded alien. I'm talking about something filled with maybe a dozen aliens(possibly the aliens that aren't greys or greens are slaves?) with some "scouts" patrolling the outer areas with "alien stealth suits" on. The town would either be underground inside a mountain or at the top of a mountain in a valley Shangrala style.
Well since there hasn't really been a game where they would be(other than tactics I guess) there isn't anything to say bison could be in the game. Their heads would be the strongest part of their body, so headshots would be a no-no unless you have a big gun.
Hmmm, can tabs should be a secondary currency.
MMT=More Metro Tunnels
One thing I think we can all agree, the next game should have the Bozar in it.
I want this in the next game.
What I would like to see with weapons alongside the skill's for them is something that allows you to get better with that particular type of weapon from use. Like how San Andreas did it with it's guns.
A avro car.
I just had a idea for a random encounter.
It only happens at right when you are either in a bed while sleeping, or when you are walking down a road without anyone else except maybe 1 companion. It's a different experience if you are on the road or in your bed at the first part, but the second part where you see a light and some figures above you doing experiments on you. This part goes by fast though, and you are sent back to where you were. You gain a perk from the experience as well as a odd rifle that will be lying next to you when you are returned. Also while this is all happening the x-files theme song is playing.
I would like to see more military holotapes and stuff about the aliens, as well as some more aliens in general.
The return of traps.
Hunting and trapping for skins and meat.
I would rather see the factions that are strong and centralized that keep to their own. Maybe each is rebuilding in it's own way and fashion, one group's cultures is more like ours in it's music and ideals and fights for peace and justice. Another a group of stoners that sell their product to the waste and no one would attack because they hold the secret's of pot. A third faction that is more war-like yet with a culture set in honor so they wont attack weaker groups without cause, they patrol the wastes doing their best to control the 4th faction. The 4th faction is a group of raiders, marauders, and some light ritualistic cannibalism. The last group is similar to how broken hills was, mutants and humans living together just to survive. They have ghouls that have managed to conceive ONE baby ghoul which they hope will help them to be able to have more.
All these factions have built of the refuse of the old world, with only the first faction having built a actual small city with 4 50 story skyscraqers as they have access to a concrete plant and a steel mill. There also 3 more factions which are the main factions. One is a group that is made up of the ancestors of soldiers that survived the great war, they are similar to the BOS but more willing to take some people in that they think that can fight. They have power armor and combat armor, both of which they have modified since the war to suit their combat needs. They don't use many energy weapons but instead use guns and some silent weapons. The opposite faction is a group of cultist mutants that abduct people and turn them into mutants who they then brainwash to fight for them. The last of the three main factions is a large tribe, there are tribes in the game that don't belong to any group but this one is special. This tribe is extremely violent and attack all the other factions, they do everything in their power to kill as many as possible and are trying to get their hands on nukes so that they can again cleanse the world. This is one of the main enemies in the game, the other enemy is yet to be come up with.
Fallout 4 needs to combine the things that are in NV(except the closed ending) with the truly unique feel of Fallout 3 with it's devastation, desperation, general atmosphere, the amazing music that haunts my TEOTWAWKI dreams, and little things that litter the map with what people were doing when the bombs fell and afterwards. As well as a new location maybe in the middle of the country. Toss in more weapons, maybe all the ones in fallout 2 and some from tactics. Add in some survivalist groups that survived since the great war as well as abandoned military bunkers and bases that were made up of military forces that survived the great war but not as part of the enclave. And some hints at a return of the Enclave in one way or another, or contact between the Enclave and this other military faction. Toss in a map that is 3 or 4 times bigger than Fallout 3's and let it ripe.
Bracing for hate!!!!
Camels and bisons.
Dual Wielding pistols and one hand weapons.
One thing I would like to see are weapons that look cobbled together like this.
As well as weapons like crossbows and spearguns(never used it in tactics when I got it). One other thing is I would like to see more tribal specific armors, not really in there right now. I would really love to see more of the inside of buildings, maybe they can give you a crowbar that works like the shovel does. In that you have to have it to open a certain type of door or container. I would also very much like that they bring back what was in the original fallout with being able to blow upon certain things. As well as rope, to get in and out of certain places. A map without invisible walls would be nice along with more sideoftheroad type things like in New Vegas, as well as a old amusemant park that is controlled either buy traders or raiders.
The ability to call in mortars, airstrikes with vertibirds, or artillery.
After main quest play like Fallout 3, would not be considered canon as Bethesda could just say you did all the dlc and such before you beat the game.
Non canon Easter eggs.
Zoo's, movie theaters, Freddy's Fears house's of screams, gun shops, carnivals, amusemant parks, assorted pre-war places to make the game feel like people actually lived before the war.
Seattle needs to be done. This area should have rain and be barely hit by any nukes because of unknown reason's, which make themselves parent at the beginning part of the game. The Chinese had planned their own invasion in the shadows, and along with help from Chinese American citizens that managed to hide from the commonwealth police. They came in small group's and began killing police and military personal 3 days before the Great War happened. Seattle is still there, among the colds. The Chinese invaders have been gathering strength for over 200 years, waiting for a signal from from China. Well the signal has come, and it's time to begin the second phase.
I have talked about Seattle being a cool place to go before, I did in the last thread.
And I still say that packs should be in the game, or exoskeletons that add strength AND extra carry weight. The exoskeleton would take the place of a power pack but not a regular carrying pack.
I want more bunker's, both civilian and military ones. And I want fallout shelter's as well, ones people dug in there backyards or out in the middle of nowhere. I also want to see more armor's and weapons, as well as some vehicles that I can use.
More alien quests. And the return of the Enclave, only small scouting parties though. Fallout 4 should have them still regaining strength and watching other groups. Maybe some actual Quests by them to take out people or buildings and such.
Paraffin slugs for shotguns, as well as hillbilly slugs.
Samurai and Black Knight armor.
And I still say that packs should be in the game, or exoskeletons that add strength AND extra carry weight. The exoskeleton would take the place of a power pack but not a regular carrying pack.
I would still like to be able to get a pack for my character, maybe be able to get power packs to boost energy weapon stats.
That's why it would be out of the way, also both the guns I mentioned are in F2. You can get night-vision for the fal if I remember right.
Maybe some Easter egg armor that is EXTREMELY expensive(like 1,000,000 caps) and a pain in the ass to get.
bounties and hits that groups/factions can give
prone position, make sniper rifles show their true potential
bipods for added accuracy
a job where you can increase stats with time and such
dual wielding(this one is more than likely gonna be in anyways,dual wield .32 revolvers or chinese officer swords)
LARGER MAPS
What I would love to see like I have been saying for a while is this:
Aliens
Alien hidden village in a very hard place to get to or a crashed alien mothership filled with alien tech and corpses, as well as frenzied alien robots. Maybe not a mothership but still something kinda large.
weapons from all the previous games
pop culture references like OWB has
midgets and fat people
crossbows and bows
ninja stars for when I'm bored
more types of dogs
more types of animals
squirrels
iguanas
snakes
bats
sks and AK-47
less nerfing of guns and armor
more bolt actions
DeLisle carbine(yes the ww2 enfield .45 acp conversion)
tent with sleeping area and campfire
the ability to run a business, have to keep it stocked and such
flashlight that isn't crap and can be used to blind a enemy at night
M1 carbine
the ability to call in artillery or mortars after making friends with a certain faction or acquiring them
a vehicle, either a horse or something that uses microfusion cells
a tank?(needs to be a Sherman, or a Sherman shaped tank that is futuristic in it looks and/or weaponry)
alien abduction random encounter that is brief and ends with you crashing a alien ship then getting out and scratching your head
a walkie talkie that you can use to call in support that doesn't run off as soon as combat starts or just gets to you period
caravan jobs where you have to protect a caravan or help carry stuff
more open building that make the world look like people actually lived were able to live
movie theaters that you can go inside
slavers
the ability to take over a abandoned building and stock it with things or fix it up and make it either a store or a faction outpost or just a plain house
more Chinese weapons and armors
pre-war military caches with experimental armors, weapons, and medicines
more audio holotapes that tell stories like what we saw a lot of in Fallout 3
said holotapes should have emotion in them, unlike the OWB holotapes....
the return of the radio towers like in Fallout 3, with the accompanying bunkers
better weapon upgrades
slingshot with ammo being things like spark balls, explosive balls, rocks, fireballs, metal ball bearings
pellet guns
different types of pellet ammunition
musket's and black powder rifles
the weapons talked about in the Museum of Technology
the Museum of Ordinance
a dunce hat found in a school with a small skeleton sitting facing the corner
more radio stations with different genres of music
a talk show radio station that has to wildly different hosts that turn out to be the same person but with split personalities
a crazed man with a dog, sawed off unique shotgun, unique leather armor, and only 2 rounds
more .22lr weapons
.22lr minigun and midget m1919
.22lr lever and bolt action as well as semi auto, all can be suppressed
more types of rounds for the fatman
the ww2 piss pot helmet
ww2 military uniforms found in museum or some guys house, maybe even bunker or basemant
have a weird story behind said costumes
have the weapons used by each military
bunkers and fallout shelters in people's houses and yards
these scattered around the wasteland
Bunker design one
Bunker design two
Bunker design three
the ability to make zip guns
the ability to make shotgun round grenades
packs like Alice packs and such
a miniguns in either 5.56 or .308
bowling alleys
catspaw magazine that gives increased speech or six appeal to the opposite six
bobs big boy type fast food joints
roadside attractions
raiders like the ones from Fallout 3
raider groups and clans
traps and alarms
the ability to build traps from ammo and other things
environmental traps and occurrences(fog, rain, storms, dust devils[these hurt the player some], haboobs[giggity], etc. etc.)
Mosin Nagant M91/30 and M44 rifles in 7.62x54r with the ability to buy and use chamber inserts for the .32 caliber pistols rounds and 7.62x25 pistol rounds
railway rifle,, also needs to be able to make rounds for it that can do other things
Tulip from underworld out in the wastes and you save her then date and marry her(......)
a guy named Bubba with a tricked out M4 carbine(in 5.56x45) that has a laser, scope, suppressor, beta mag, bipod, AND its red, white, and blue
more action Abe figurines
Honest Abe's Combat and Power Armor(somehow these things got sent to George Lincoln Jr's house!!!! Wait.....how did Abe have power armor? and for that matter combat armor?)
A suppressed .44mag lever action rifle
Co2 pistol
changing seasons
Halloween and Christmas are celebrated in certain locations
the ability to to smoke cigarettes and do hookah
more survivalist stories
splinter Desert Ranger faction that refused to join the NCR
Tent cities
wasteland swap meets/markets
gypsies traveling nomad groups
Large map
Unique monster's(random encounters)
Sasquatch
Werewolf
Vampire
etc.
What about the Enclave being a splinter faction of a government that controls from the shadows? What if this "shadow government" is the ones behind all the worst things that have happened? What if they tell Daniel Littlehorn what to do and who to kill? And they have a moon base.
Changing seasons, as well as the holidays that go with them.
I want more bunker's, both civilian and military ones. And I want fallout shelter's as well, ones people dug in there backyards or out in the middle of nowhere. I also want to see more armor's and weapons, as well as some vehicles that I can use.
Light and Medium power armor.
Theme park locations and more roadside attractions.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:23 pm

Odd, it seems your the one spamming via editing. Irony.

Now sense you apparently got me interested in your topic, I will be against it due to your.. actions.

Bringing back stereotypical 50s aliens with no real back ground. No. Why? To stereotypical.

Pet plane that flies around. No. Why? Easier to just add another eye bot in as a companion.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 12:02 pm

Small alien crashed wreackage town.

Now you're thinking
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:26 am

1 general & 1 more private tastes suggestion:

in general, i'd suggest to make the line between enemy/non-enemy a bit more fluent. to take the nv-fiends as an example: why not have some regular npc's get hooked on drugs and join the fiends, or some fiends, whatever, make a deal with ncr, get clean and become normal npc's, the likes. the way it was/is, it's all still a bit too black/white for my tastes
just like some of the skyrim-bandits say, "i just might walk up to a guard and pay off my bounty next time" - so why do they NEVER actually DO it...? (just like when they say they yield and NEVER actually do it - i'd let them go, really. well if they haven't extraordinarily p*d me off of course :-)

and the other one, more private tastes: i love fo for setting, story, the emotional impact and all - and i love tes for the sheer beauty of it, mostly probably because i happen to REALLY be into trees and stuff :-), so fo's kind of a bringdown in vegetative respects (yeah sure postapocalypse and all, i know i know :-) -
so: why not have some geck-/fev-issues having gone freak (if a bug in the geck isn't a plausible cause i don't know :-)=) causing everything to be overgrown with weird mutated plantworx (flesh eating, radiation spitting, and elsewise behaving in unplantly manners of course)...? wouldn't that be a nice sight for a change when you come crawling out of your vault expecting u-know-what, no...?

aaah yes and did i mention i want fallout europe...? :-) neat way to set the above btw, and could go back to about any point in lore timeline without touching us-happenstances in any way, so some more actually crawling out of vaults without having been deepfrozen or transdimensioported or whatever. or you could just fly no6 over there for some quick delivery... :-)
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:57 pm

Odd, it seems your the one spamming via editing. Irony.
Proud to be an Atheist, Communist, & Socialist.
you can't be a communist AND a socialist. :-)
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:45 pm

1 general & 1 more private tastes suggestion:
aaah yes and did i mention i want fallout europe...?

No, just no.

We have the U.S., preserved in the state of the 50s after the nuclear holocaust occurred. We know nothing of the rest of the world & its state. Besides, there is so much to expand on within the U.S. still to this day.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:24 am

Proud to be an Atheist, Communist, & Socialist.
you can't be a communist AND a socialist. :-)

Ignorance at its greatest! Go read up a bit on the ideology & not the propaganda departments ran via your Capitalist country. You can be both, & you can believe in both.

Congratulations, you just made this personal.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:09 pm

UPDATED SUGGESTIONS:
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1. I want to know more about the Vaults. Don't make them all appear generic. Maybe have a Vault that actually survived and is thriving almost like Vault 8 ( I want a quest where I can be a citizen of a Vault if I helped them with a problem). [EDITED: It would be interesting if certain vaults would still be functional while the "experiment" is going on. That would be something new instead of just going to an abandoned vault, again. However, there should be some abandoned vaults but they should have some interesting "quests" like Vault 11 in Fallout: New Vegas.]

2. Make SPECIAL like it was in the originals; I want to play as a certain character who is dependent on his/her SPECIAL. The Bobbleheads shouldn't have increased your special or skills since it could helped your character become a demi-god (they were fun to collect and should have been like that, collectibles). The SPECIAL you chose is what you get (unless certain clothing or drugs increase it TEMPORARILY). New Vegas had a Doctor that could increase your SPECIAL but it was expensive and you can probably only increase two before your body can't take anymore implants. Something like that I'm okay with. Not that I would do it. The Snowglobes for money in New Vegas was good. Something like that is alright.

3. Please, please, PLEASE do not make me be a God-like character. Have perks every two levels (or every other one).

4. Skills should matter. If I'm not an explosive expert than obviously I wouldn't be able to convince an NPC who needs to be convinced via an explosive skill requirement.

5. Bring back the original skills "percentage" system.

6. No "good vs evil". Make morality ambiguously gray. You guys had a good start in the DLC "The Pitt" so it can be done.

7. No "Lydia"-like companions. I want them to feel alive like in New Vegas. They had a story to them and quests which I loved. Also, Charisma should determine how many companions you can have like in FO2. Update the companion wheel, too.

8. Bring back the custom-made weapons! Those were fun to make and use.

9. Don't make FO4 a FPS. It should be an RPG where different approaches to certain situations can be attained depending on your skills, not just shooting your way through (that is one option and shouldn't be the only one).

10. Keep the Reputation system and Traits.

11. Let there be consequences to my actions. Blowing up Megaton did nothing to me and angry Megaton survivors don't count.

12. I want to be able to customize my Pip-boy. Also have an upgrade.

13. I want to have the options to give my character tattoos, scars, skinny to muscular to fat build, ect.

14. The ending slides should be brought back. I didn't care for if my character "didn't succumb to the vices that claimed so many". I wanted to know about the people I helped (or not) as well as the towns I visited (Vault 101 as well). New Vegas did this perfectly.

15. Checking your Pip-boy during combat should be set during real-time. (EDITED: Or checking your Pip-Boy during combat costs AP)

16. Fast traveling should be almost like the originals. If I click on a map marker than there should be moments where my character would be in a different location either because an enemy appeared or my character just wanted to stop. Then I can click on the map marker again and be on my merry way.

17.Get rid of those little triangles in the compass that tells me if there is a place I haven't visited. I want to be surprised.

18. Ammo should have weight even in "normal" mode.

19. Barter like the originals. I don't want to only rely on caps. If the vendor doesn't have much caps to buy from me and I don't have enough caps to buy from him/her than I should be able to trade an item for another item. Also, if the currency is still caps then please explain where the caps get their value from.

20. The Karma system should be re-done.

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I like the idea of Karma biting you in the *** if you did something questionable.

For example:

1. Pickpocket-----> 2 Ways Karma can [censored] you over:

B*) During your travels you are suddenly jumped and your most valuable possession(s) is taken (You like that unique weapon you found? Say goodbye to it. Wow! You have 47 stimpaks? Well, you'll have to do with just 4 now. Incredible! 6,789 caps!? Yup, those are gone too...). Then, to add insult to injury, you could be ambushed near a raider camp or near a [insert a new Wasteland villain here] and when you wake up you could be in real trouble especially if your most powerful weapon was stolen (or stimpaks to heal yourself since you would wake up injured).

B*) I don't know if many of you have seen this in some movies (or cartoons) but when people bump into you suddenly they would be on their merry way with your cash (or valuables). When this happens you are faced with a dilemma:

-If they are children it's obvious you can't kill them so there goes one way of getting your valuables back. I'm sure if they are caught while running (by you or depending on your Reputation and if they are any nearby, the Guards could help you capture them) or if they arrive in a dead end, you have the option of convincing them (with Speech or high enough "Bad" Karma; if you have "low" bad Karma they could just respond,"You don't scare me, mister, miss!") to hand it over (or the Guard, again, depending on your Reputation). They could of course just escape by going through holes you cannot pass through like Sally did in Mothership Zeta.

-However, if the person who pickpocketed you is an advlt, you have the option of killing the person but it would harm your Reputation with the town or city you are visiting if it was witnessed (unless it was a secluded alleyway or something). I love the idea of having the option to pistol whip someone or put them in a headlock (I guess the success of it would depend on your Strength, Unarmed skill, Karma, and/or Speech).

2. House Robbery

- When you rob someone's house then YOUR home would be rob, too!

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To be perfectly honest, I cannot think of any good Karma situations at this moment (it's pretty late as I'm typing this).

But I would love it when you meet certain people, depending on your Karma, they would respond differently towards you. I know that they wouldn't know your Karma level but like it was mentioned before, they could have a hunch like your father did in Fallout 3 concerning Megaton's bomb.

Examples being (WARNING! Terrible writing ahead! Read at your own risk! :tongue:):

First, (Good) Reputation (neutral, low "good" or low "bad" Karma only):

Dialogue #1:
"I heard you've done good for this city. You're more than welcome to come back here any time!"

No Reputation (good or neutral Karma only)

Dialogue #3:
"Welcome! Please enjoy your stay."

No Reputation (Bad karma)

Dialogue #2:
"Know that we have our eyes on you..."

(Good) Reputation with (Bad) Karma:

Dialogue #2:
"I don't know why but there's something about you that doesn't feel right but I guess I can trust you for now. You have after all helped this town in the past."

And you get the point. Perks connected to your Karma would be nice as well.

Maybe when I'm more awake I'll come up with some Good Karma situations....

21. I want to be able to SPRINT.

22. Awesome animations (like pistol-whipping someone, kicking someone if they are too close, headlocks, ects.).

23. No "ragdoll" death effects please. Skyrim made an improvement but not so much.

24. Don't make the main quest so linear or short.

25. Marriage but not like in Skyrim (ME: "Hi, sweetie..." ME: "Um....okaaaay. Thanks...." ME: HOW DO I GET A DIVORCE!?"). Maybe if I'm an evil character or if my luck is so bad or if I pissed of a faction, maybe my spouse would be killed? Something more engaging than just the same dialogue.

26. Tools should be brought back. I want to use a rope dammit!

27. Have a way where you can use your Companion's specialty (hacking, lockpicking) by pointing at things (like in Skyrim).

28. Chems should have better side affects and penalties. If my character drinks a lot than perhaps I can't control my character very well and my screen goes blurry. I could take chems all the time in Fallout 3 (and in New Vegas) and be fine. I hardly ever notice the so-called "penalties". Make it so that using chems would be frightening. Like in the originals. Example being when you take mentat and for a few days you become a bumbling idiot where consequences will arise if people don't like you for being like that (in Fallout 2 some will attack you).

29. I want to be able to upgrade my clothing. If I have, for example, a vault suit, perhaps if I take it to a "specialist" they can add more protection and the changes are visible. There should will be restrictions of course. The same goes for light and heavy armor.

30. Please tell us what had happened to the Capital Wasteland (like mentions here and there).

Spoiler
Like maybe a DLC where you can go back to the Capital Wasteland...if the location is close enough.

<runs away>

31. I want to be able to put explosives near doors to detonate them like in the Originals. Also, maybe using a crowbar (depending on your strength) you can open a door or elevator. Kicking down certain doors would be nice, too. In other words, I want different ways of opening doors.

32. Appropriate death animations for the PC AND NPC, depending on which weapons were used. Example being if I'm using a flamethrower than the person should be burned to a crisp and vice versa (like those in Skyrim).

33. Maybe if I'm hacking a computer, there could be an animation where my PC pulls out a wire from his/her Pip-Boy and have it connect to the computer. Also, I want an animation where I can see my PC's hands typing. Basically, I want to see my PC doing something whether it's hacking, lockpicking, ect.

34. Better and useful perks. In the Originals, I take a long time to choose a perk because it would matter. I had perks in Fallout 3 that really didn't do much of anything. Most of them were unimpressive as well. I really hope certain perks from New Vegas would be in FO4 (like Confirmed Bachelor/Cherchez La Femme, Travel Light, Unstoppable Force, ect...).

35. More dialogue options (but they should be good as well). It irked me that I couldn't say "[censored] you!" to Amata when she kicks you out. All I got was, "I understand. Goodbye, Amata." WTF!? I can say "[censored] you" to James but not to her? I couldn't even give her the bird. And another....Three Dog and the "Intelligence" option....'nuff said.... [EDITED: Fallout: New Vegas had AMAZING dialogue options where I can be sarcastic, uninterested, an [censored], ect.]

36. Ability to poison people/food. I want other options of finishing quests instead of the usual FO3's "shoot first, ask questions later" method.

37. If sprint is added in FO4 then there should be animations. Example, both hands would grip a small gun while running (if I have a small gun already in my hand), ect.

38. I want to have the ability to use the gun I am using as a melee weapon if enemies gets too close to me.

39. Perhaps the option to dodge certain attacks (this could be a perk like in the Originals which was called, "Dodger").

40. More "livelier" settlements. Basically, all I'm asking is that certain settlements (big/important/trading towns/cities?) would have a lot of activities going on with a lot of people wandering about as well. Rivet City, despite it being called that, was anything but a "city". The other settlements in FO3 were also disappointing (like Canterbury Commons).

41. The choice to wear male clothing if female and vice-versa.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:17 am

I like 39. quite a bit actually Vaultie, interesting idea. Seeing how it would be certain attacks, what if you added a small chance of, lets say 0.005 to doge a bullet? Small chance, but it would be interesting.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:51 am

I'd like it if we played as the descendant of the Lone Wanderer like how they had the descendant of Fallout 1 for Fallout 2, I don't really have a reason for this I just think it'd be cool.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:54 am

But how would it even work out well. All of the set things you did before hand would have to count, there are quite a few even though a majority of them were white & black.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:41 pm

I'd like it if we played as the descendant of the Lone Wanderer like how they had the descendant of Fallout 1 for Fallout 2, I don't really have a reason for this I just think it'd be cool.
It would severely hinder roleplaying abilities if we knew that our ancestor supported a rogue chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel and was instrumental in defeating the Enclave.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 2:15 pm

I'd like it if we played as the descendant of the Lone Wanderer like how they had the descendant of Fallout 1 for Fallout 2, I don't really have a reason for this I just think it'd be cool.

It's probably best not to rehash an old line, and create something new and imaginative like The Courier was. I'd rather be The Courier's decedent, than the Lone Wanderers any day.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:36 am

Would have been nice if there was some hint that the Courier was the descendant of the Chosen One and therefore a descendant of the Vault Dweller. But hey I can always role play it that s/he was.

If the next protagonist is to be a descendant of a past protagonist I vote for Warrior :deal: But I feel it would be better to have a clean slate with the next protagonist like we had with the Courier. I don't want any real background to my character given to me. I don't want to know my parents, my age or anything like that.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 1:29 pm

It would severely hinder roleplaying abilities if we knew that our ancestor supported a rogue chapter of the Brotherhood of Steel and was instrumental in defeating the Enclave.
How would it do that, there are such things as rebellious children.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:29 pm

To bore you once again:

General gameplay suggestions (again -- now with some updates for gunplay and repairing):
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Since long posts seem to be in fashion, here's some of my ideas on along which lines I would like some aspects of Fallout 4 to be made (I posted this (IIRC) before Fallout: New Vegas was even annouced, and once again last year, but made some changes so I'm not just reposting the same thing over and over again). Whether or not all the following would actually work in the game, is beyond me as I'm not a game designer, but at least to me it sounds decent on paper.
The WALL OF TEXT:

A minimenu:

There would be a minimenusystem that would trigger various functions needed during the gameplay. Pressing (for example) the mousewheel would open a dropdown menu (somewhat similiar to Fallout 1 and Fallout 2) beside the cursor that would present commands like Enter Worldmap, Heal, Heal Other, Repair, Rest/Wait etc. If well implemented, this could potentially offer a greater gameplay diversity through bigger possibilities for direct skilluses in several situations. Available commands would be highlighted and non-available would be greyed out.


General gameplay:

The general gameplay would be quite similiar to F3 and F:NV. You roam around the wastes doing quests and exploring. But combat would be less frequent unless the player decides otherwise - in other words, you could pick some of your random fights. (Though I'd very, very much prefer it, I'm not suggesting ISO/TB gameplay, since I don't believe for a second that Beth would implement it no matter what. :dry: )

This could partly be handled through wildlife AI, which would be set less aggressive in general. An aggression stat would be implemented which would vary from species to species - from completely neutral (only defensive combat) to total aggression (hostility almost immediately). The animals would have their own immediate surroundings, or personal spaces, somewhat like in Risen and Gothic series, and partly in F:NV. Get too close and you get a warning sign from the critter giving you time to get out of their space, linger and be chased off (or be attacked, if you don't flee). The radius of the space and the time you are tolerated in it would depend on the critter.

The mainquest would be scaled to a certain degree through chaptering it (not visibly, as in presenting a loadscreen: Chapter 1: In which you slither out from the uaginal cavity and learn the first lessons of life, but through certain major events through the main quest). And after those, the game would replaces some of the lower level enemies with higher level ones in the MQ areas - defeating which (if not gettin past by other means) would require you to level up some more. Or through a nonlinear levelscalingsystem where, for example, when one starts the game at level one, the enemies in the levelscaled zones would range from 1 to 10, and after one hits somewhere between levels 12 to 15 (which ever works the best) some of the lower level creatures scale up to about level 18 to 25 (but not all, to not make the world appearing to spin around the player too much). This would offer both, challenge and sense of progression to the player, as one becomes better than the current enemies before they scale up again.

There wouldn't be any quest- or enemycompasses, but there would be (toggleable, perhaps) minimap in which you could see the living beings in immediate vicinity. Perception would determine the range in which you see things, and with a perk (with appropriate requirements - outdoorsman and perception, for example) you could tell the difference between friendly (green dot), neutral (yellow dot) and hostile (red dot) targets.

The questcompass would be replaced by mere markers on the map which would point towards a general area instead of the exact target. And with that, the quest descriptions would be more accurate.

The wrist pipboy would be scrapped and replaced by a more handheld PDI like contraption, which would offer a more userfriendly inventorysystem (something like mix of what Morrowind or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. had, for example) with less scrolling while still holding the tabs to sort items by their nature, a one page charactersheet much akin to the original games. Opening inventory wouldn't pause the game (could be tied to difficulty - normal and beyond: No inventorypause, for example), but slow the time and not give extra resistances (adjustable through perks, slow time more, give some resistances, etc). All actions during combat but shooting and moving would cost action points (opening inventory, using items inside it, using quick keys, etc).

Skillcap would remain at 100, but the cost to raise them would rise as follows: 1-50 1:1, 51-75 2:1, 76-100 3:1, the point being, the better you get the more difficult it is to get even better - this would make a maxed skill equal to skillcap of 175 - and I think it'd be easier to utilize the full scale of the skill, if it caps at 100 (instead of having skills cap at 200 or 300). Also, the gaps between levels would be raised:

How it is now (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level):

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z=n+(y+150)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 350 - 550
4 - 500 - 1,050
5 - 650 - 1,700
6 - 800 - 2,500
7 - 950 - 3,450
8 - 1100 - 4,550
9 - 1250 - 5,800
10 - 1400 - 7,200
11 - 1550 - 8,750
12 - 1700 - 10,450
13 - 1850 - 12,300
14 - 2000 - 14,300
15 - 2150 - 16,450
16 - 2300 - 18,750
17 - 2450 - 21,200
18 - 2600 - 23,800
19 - 2750 - 26,550
20 - 2900 - 29,450
21 - 3050 - 32,500
22 - 3200 - 35,700
23 - 3350 - 39,050
24 - 3500 - 42,550
25 - 3650 - 46,200
26 - 3800 - 50,000
27 - 3950 - 53,950
28 - 4100 - 58,050
29 - 4250 - 62,300
30 - 4400 - 66,700
How it should be (first number is the level, the second XP needed to reach the level from previous point, the third is total amount of XP needed to reach that level) for example:

Spoiler

z=n+(y+200)
z=xp for next lvl
n=xp 'til prev lvl
y=previous xp raise

2 - 200 - 200
3 - 400 - 600
4 - 600 - 1,200
5 - 800 - 2,000
6 - 1000 - 3,000
7 - 1200 - 4,200
8 - 1400 - 5,600
9 - 1600 - 7,200
10 - 1800 - 9,000
11 - 2000 - 11,000
12 - 2200 - 13,200
13 - 2400 - 15,600
14 - 2600 - 18,200
15 - 2800 - 21,000
16 - 3000 - 24,000
17 - 3200 - 27,200
18 - 3400 - 30,600
19 - 3600 - 34,200
20 - 3800 - 38,000
21 - 4000 - 42,000
22 - 4200 - 46,200
23 - 4400 - 50,600
24 - 4600 - 55,200
25 - 4800 - 60,000
26 - 5000 - 65,000
27 - 5200 - 70,200
28 - 5400 - 75,400
29 - 5600 - 81,000
30 - 5800 - 86,800
31 - 6000 - 92,800
...and so on up to, say 50.

The formula I made may not be correct, but the point remains.


Map and Travelling:

A return to the classic worldmap system (with some tweaks to make it look more... erm, "modern"). The actual FPP/TPP playground area would be roughly about 2x or 3x the size of Fallout New Vegas; and the area is divided into 5-7 (or so) hubs scattered in the worldmap which vary in size and content. General gameplay in those would be about the same as in F3 and F:NV, run around and do local quests and explore.

When you enter the node you could spawn at any "formidable" (as in settlementlike in size) location you've already found. The first time entering a node you would spawn at the side of the map on special spawnpoint for that purpose (which could be used later on too, of course).

Outdoorsmanskill is reintroduced (or merged within the Survival skill) and works similiarly to Fallout 1&2 with the difference that nonhostile encounters are always avoidable should the player so decide (to decrease the amount of loadscreens).

The worldmap itself is zoned in couple of ways:
- The farther away from the starting position, the harder the enemies and vice versa; but there is still a (small) chance to encounter harder enemies on starting grounds and vice versa, based on outdoorsmanskill, luck and placement of the zone (but still keeping the MQ areas within reasonable range of enemies).
- The map is zoned into territories, which each have their set of unique enemies as well as a few commonones that can be found on every zone.

Each zone has about 5-7 small maps for random/special encounters, which are either hostile or nonhostile, and are based on the topography of the location in the worldmap and the contents of the encouters would be based on the zone in which it occurs.

The visitable locations on map would be as follows: A settlement - with explorable wasteland around it to provide smaller sidequest and exploring. Or just a visitable location like a majorsized building, militarybase, factory etc. They could even include two settlements, but in general all towns would be much bigger than those in Fallout 3 or New Vegas.

Each settlement has its own set of architecture (not too different from other settlements, but so that one can tell the difference), general theme and mindsets. These are small things, but they would add a lot of variety to the game.

Entering worldmap from a node would happen through the edges of the map. In Fallout 3, when you bumb to an edge of the map, you get a popup message that says: "you cannot go further that way" - now it would be like this: "e) enter worldmap".

To not have to always run to the edge of a map, you could use the minimenu command "Enter Worldmap", which could not be used indoors, during combat or if there are enemies nearby. However, escaping combat through the edge of the map would be possible.

Fasttravel through world map would offer options for pacing (could be enabled by a perk, or be an ability from the get go). Such as "Cautious", "Casual", and "Rushing". Where "Casual" would be the normal travelspeed with no bonuses or hits, "Cautious" a much slower, but with giving a bonus to outdoorsman in determining avoidance of an encounter, and "Rushing" much faster, but with giving a hit to outdoorsman. There would also be related quests, solving which could be easier by utilizing this system (to make it have a bigger point).


Repairing:

Repairing happens either with repairkits, by gunsmiths in towns/caravans, or by a duplicate.

The kits would repair a fixed and relatively large amount of CND and have limited amount of succesful uses (and would offer a small bonus to the skill and crit. failure) each, but they would be expensive to buy, weight a somewhat hefty amount and would also be weakened and eventually broken by a certain amount of critical failures and general wear. Gunsmiths and repairmen would be very expensive but would get the job done no matter what. A duplicate would repair a small amount of CND (with no bonuses or hits to skill or crit. chance) so that you'd have to weigh the benefit of losing the weapons monetary value against the increase in CND (at least at early stages of the game).

Success in repairing is dependant on repairskill (a diceroll happens, dreadful I know). And the repairing takes a certain amount of time (few seconds) depending on the chance of success.

One would now be able to repair guns and armor beyond his/her skill but the further above the skill they go the harder they would get to repair. The math is irrelevant (as long as it complements the premise), but here's a quick idea on how it could go:

After the guns/armors condition is above the skill, the amount going above is turned into percentages that is taken away from the skill. IE: skill = 30 and rifles condition = 80. Condition - skill = 50. 50% of skill (30) is 15. So trying to repair a weapon in condition of 80 with a repairskill of 30 would give a chance of success of 15%. This is not necesserely realistic, but it is assuming that the more shiny the condition gets, the more difficult (but not impossible) it would be to repair it further.

Guns and armor would also have a chance for a critical failure if an attempt to repair fails. Critical failure, instead of repairing the gun, has a reverse effect. The chance would be from 1% to 10% (depending on the weapon) if a trait or a perk doesn't raise/lower it.

The increased hardship of repairing would be compensated via much slower degredation rate (based on the weapon, of course), though the effects of CND (jamming during firing, reloading disorders, rate of fire, damage, buying/selling values) would also be much bigger and frequent.

There would also be a possibility to repair broken robots or computers or what ever there is to repair, by pointing the target opening minimenu and selecting repair.

Also, while repairing would work much like explained above (the 1-100 CND scale would remain in the background to provide for it but all effects would be tied to the 20% thresholds - when attempting to repair, you'd see the successrate according to how the 1-100 scale behind the screen), the visible item health would be changed to 1-5 scale, to offer more robust effects.

The weapon health would be changed from being a 1-100 scale to 1-5 scale and give each rank more profound effects on the weapon, additionally I'd hide the item health-o-meter and add a title in front of the item name so that one never knows exactly where their weapon health goes.

Example:

- Well Maintained Assault rifle or Fine Assault Rilfe (CND 5; well maintained bonus: accuracy +5%, no disorders, -5% from critical failure chance))
-> Assault rifle (CND 4; assault rifle at its default condition, no extra bonuses, but 5% chance of jam)
-> Dirty assault rifle (CND 3; -5% to accuracy, -10% to rate of fire, 15% chance of jam, 10% higher chance of "critical failure")
-> Worn Assault rifle (CND 2; -10% to accuracy, -10% to rate of fire, 20% chance of jam, 15% critical failure chance)
-> Crummy Assault rifle (CND 1; -20% to accuracy, -15% to rate of fire, 25% chance of jamming, 20% chance of critical failure)
-> Broken Assault rifle (CND 0; no shooting with this piece of [censored] anymore, no repairing it either, skilled weaponsmith NPC's could repair it at a cost up to CND 2, or offer a few caps from the spare parts)

With each rank, while going downwards, requiring varying degrees of usage. And Repairing (success and amount of repair (from half a rank to 1 rank) would happen through skillchance affected by certain factors (Gun cnd, duplicate cnd, repairkit, skill level, etc). CND 5 would be a high skill privilege reachable by no lower than 80 in repair.

I would boost all the negative effects and make them count much higher in combat.

Additionally I would add cleaning kits to add a slight timed bonuses to the weapons (-> Clean worn assault rifle: cleaned bonus +5% accuracy, +5% rate of fire, -10% jamming, for example).

With Melee and armed HtH the effects would consist of damage reduction, and higher critical failure rate (which would break the weapon).
With Armors the effects would consist of lowered DT and DR and lowered "social status" (when going on in really crummy gear, people initially think your a vagran or a bum just loitering around).


Healing & drugs:

Stimpak usage would be animated, so no more smashing a quick key for dozens of stims in few seconds (I like this method more than the concept of heal overtime from HC-mode of F:NV). The speed of the animation would be dependant of the related skill (doctor). More over stims now would always heal the same amount (no skill effect in there), and they would come in two variations: stimpaks and superstimpaks. Both of which would be rare and expensive (so that you cannot live off of them, but also have to rely on other methods of healing) and superstims much more so than ordinary stims.

The player would have a tolerance meter which would measure how much the player can medicate himself before overdosing. Overdosing would cause an instant loss of health according to how much the limit is surpassed and would also cause some visual distortions and statloss. The effect would last for a while and the time would be depending on endurance and doctor skill (and perks/traits that would modify it). The tolerance meter slowly lowers itself after the medication is done, and the magnitude it is filled is dependant on the drug used (powerful drugs - like Jet and superstims for example - obviously fill it more quickly), related skill and perks/traits modifying it. Using food as a healer would not affect the tolerance meter, but food would have a heal-over-time effect.

Doctorskill would be reintroduced and so would manual healing. Manual healing would be similiar to Fallout 1 & 2 (only a few uses/24hours - they would take few in-game hours to be completed - success is determined by skill), and couldn't be used in combat or when enemies are nearby. Healing cripples wouldn't be possible with stims or sleeping, but would require manual healing and the ability to heal cripples would be dependant of the doctorskill and the skillrequirements of the crippled bodypart (head and torso would be harder to treat than legs and hands), otherwise a doctor is a must see.

Manual healing would be entered by the minimenu, which would also have the "heal other" option to heal a companion or other alive being in need of assistance.

Healing through sleeping would work similiarly to Fallout 1 & 2.

Addiction would need a doctor or a certain amount (pretty long) of time to heal. Radiation poisoning needs a doctor or radaway (which would be rare and expensive).


Gunplay & VATS (should it be implemented):

Gunskills would now have much heavier effect on waivering and general accuracy than what it is in F3, utilizing the skill and STR requirement system from New Vegas (but more heavyhandedly). In addition, the players stance, movement, weapons type and recoil also would affect it.

The normal (according to skill) situation would be standing still and aiming through iron sights (firing from hip would give a large hit on accuracy). Crouching would give a small bonus to accuracy and going prone would give a slightly bigger bonus (with the bonus from aiming coming on top of that). The tradeoff with going prone and being accurate would be extremely slow moving and turning, and it would take its time for the player to get up and ready the weapon again. Firing from the hip would cause bigger spread. Movement would also give a hit to accuracy -- the faster you move, the bigger the waivering with ironsights and spread with hipfiring. Recoil would work dynamically based on the gun used, and would throw the aim off a bit with each shot (while bursting, the amount of recoil per shot would stack up eventually leading to firing straight up -- with hipfire, the "offaim" would be a bit smaller, but the spread would increase).

Guns would do generally more damage and the damagestats would be ranges. IE: Huntingrifle - dmg 11-20, like in Fallout 1&2, but with growth of related skill raising the minimum amount closer to the maximum (though not as far as up to having a static damage, there would always be some range left).

The combat overall would go through a total overhaul. No more run 'n gun FPS bullsh*t but more slowpaced, focused and tactical. A RTwP/TB (optable) setup with full control over the player character and partymembers would be nice. But of course that ain't gonna happen since nothing but horrid FPS twitching is viable in the gaming market anymore, and Bethesda does not deviate for their 15 year old formula...

So instead, actionpoints would count in combat (suggested before by me and some others).

A simple example:

Lesser cost rate:
Shooting (very low cost) - shooting with no AP's left would give a hefty penalty to accuracy and recoil control
Reload (low cost) - reloading with no AP's left would triple the time it takes to reload and increase the chances for reload failure

Moderate cost rate:
Using quick keys (cost rate depending on what's being done, changing a weapon (moderate cost), using stims (higher moderate cost), changing ammunition (high moderate cost due to including reloading)) - with no AP's, quick keys won't work, no stimspamming or changing weapons, tough luck.

High cost:
Inventory access - with no AP's, inventory access is denied, run for cover and wait for the AP's to refill.
Using items inside inventory - if AP's run out during doing something in the inventory, you can still browse and assign quick keys, but after that only action allowed is to exit inventory.

Additionally, no AP's left would increase running speed for... say.... oh well, for examples sake, 20% to provide chances to get to cover while AP's recharge.

And AP's would recharge much slower while moving and at normal rate while being still.

All that only during combat (and during shooting/whacking thin air when not in combat for the lesser cost actions).

Consider AP's in the lesser cost section as representing exhaustion.
And in the moderate and high cost sections as representing mental strength, situtional loss of focus, a panic of sorts leading to indesicion and inability to operate properly.

NPC's would also have their own AP's which would dictate their performance (a bit differently than the PC, since NPC's don't use quick keys or the sort).

In vats you would now have an option to choose a firing mode. Rapid fire - a hastily aimed rapid shooting towards the target; or aimed shots, which would be the opposite of rapid fire.

Rapid fire would lower the accuracy a bit and you could only target a foe as a whole; but it would spend less actionpoints, while aimed shots would cost more and calculate the accuracy without minuses, and you would be able to target specific body parts. The bonuses and hits of chosen stance would be similiar to those in realtime firing.

Being prone in vats would force you to choose a firing sector (so that the player doesn't spin like a dreidel in all directions while being the most accurate he can). Prone position would also be the most expensive stance to fire from, while standing would be the cheapest, and being crouched in the middle. The player would be able to change his preferred stance in VATS, but at a cost.

Lockpicking:

Success is determined by skill so that you can try to pick any lock from very easy to very hard; and NO minigame involved. It would work somewhat like repairing; lock level - skill (if the skill is under the lock level) = percentual number that is taken from the skill. If the skill surpasses lock level, the chances are purely skillbased with maximum chance of success being 95% (this, the max chance, would go for every chance based system). And the percentual chance would be presented when moving the reticle over the locked object: E) Pick lock [Very hard: 13%], for example.

Lockpicking would be animated so that you either see your characters hands doing the job (FP view) or seeing your character from behind (TP view). You would have the ability to turn your head (or the camera) some ways left and right to see if someone is coming - so the game doesn't pause during the picking. But looking away from what you're doing, would have an effect (see below).

Picking locks would take a certain amount of time depending on your skill and level of the lock (aka the chance of success). When attempting, there would be a timebar similiar to what Vampire - The Masquerade: Bloodlines had. Skill would give bonuses to the time it takes to pick a lock in such manner that you don't get bonuses to picking hard locks before your skill surpasses maximum level of normal locks. More over, the bonuses would stop stacking up after your skill surpasses the next level of difficulty (no bonuses to picking normal locks after skill level of 75, for example, depicting that there is no way to open that kind of lock any better - other than with a fluke).

Each lock would have a certain amount of tries before (if you keep failing) the lock jams for a certain amount of time (preferably at least a couple of weeks, so that your attempts at just waiting at the lock for it to unjam would be a tedious job and prevent exploitation of the system). Moreover locks would have a chance for a critical failure that would immediately jam the lock despite if it was you first attempt, and critical success, which could occur at any point during the time it takes to pick the lock -- both of these chances would be very small.

This system would also be fit for hacking.


Difficulty settings:

The difficulty setting would affect the following:
  • Startingpoints of th skills (this would work so that easy players would be able to max out almost everything and the harder you go, the less can max out and the more you need to rely on specializing). The toggle would work dynamically so that if you start with easy and change it to hard half away through, your skill would take an appropriate hit.
  • The gaps between levels -- the harder the setting, the more XP you need for a levelup.
  • Base carry weight (before STR modifier).
  • Base HP (before END modifier).
  • Number of encountered enemies
  • Slight (!) changes in NPC/critter HP and damage modifiers
HC mode (one time toggle on/off, no flipflopping) would affect the following:
  • Number of enemies encountered
  • Severity of negative effects (stat/skill losses and their effects, crippled limbs, diseases, poison effects, etc)
  • Add a Nutrition gauge (thirst and hunger combined) -- could do without this though.
  • Damaging effect of radiation.
  • Add weight for absolutely everything (meds, ammo, random clutter like pencils, everything).
  • Slower base speed for stimpakking (before skill modifiers).
  • Harsher addiction and withdrawal effects.
  • I'll come up more when I have time...
TL;DR?
Make the game lean less towards the TES style of gameplay - find a better middleground in between - to create a greater diversity between the two franchises.

The END...


Thoughts on an improved (imo) skillsystem (This will contradict with some of the ideas in the longer suggestion above as I haven't had time to merge them properly, but that doesn't matter as I endorse both systems.) - now with an incomplete (har har) SPECIAL outline:
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Ok, so going by the current gameplaystyle where dicerolls no longer apply (which is a shame)... redesign the characterprogression system to better suit it (to be more responsive and give more immediate feedback to the player as s/he progresses).

At character developement every SPECIAL defaults as 5 as it is now, but there are no bonuses to add, just a possibility to rearrange the points. Increasing SPECIAL during the game, would be a special occurance like finding an implant and then someone who can install it. Traits increasing stats would offer an equal drawback in some other stat (or a general drawback). There'd be an individual perk for every stat offering a one time bonus of plus one -- as it was in the original Fallouts. And rare cases where an equippable item gives a bonus for during the time it is equipped (like how PA gives a bonus to strength). Nothing more. The point is to make the character one builds to hold throughout most of the game. And to help that there'd be hard SPECIAL requirements for certain items and activities.

Perks would be more like additional abilities that the skills do not govern straightforward (like pistolwhipping, enhancing stimpaks, increasing inventory space and/or such) but still offer the requirements for. They'd also have tiers (up to 3) to enhance said abilities when appropriate.

Skills would now have a 1-10 and some others 1-5 point scale. With each point cumulatively increasing the price of buying it. Each of these points would also hold more to it than mere nominal increases with little to no visible effect (like how it is now with the 1-100 scale). The skills would work more like thresholds opening new related abilities than random numerical values. At characterbuilding phase each skill would default to 0, but the player would have 3 free points to put in which ever skills s/he wishes.

A couple of "along the lines of" -examples of the skills and their effects:
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Guns:
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Cost: The first two - 5sp, 3rd and 4th - 10sp, 5ft and 6th - 15sp, 7th and 8th - 20, 9th and 10th - 25sp. This would equal a skillcap of 150 with the current method.
Effect: 0 points - You are so terrible with guns you suffer 50% damageloss and 75% of accuracy loss with any conventional firearm, plus your unholstering, holstering and reloading take much more time. Points 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10 would open "proper" usage of guns in their respective tiers of 1-5. Having lacking skill of one tier would result in 50% penalty to accuracy and 25% penalty to damage, lacking 2 or more tiers would offer similiar penalties of 75% and 50% plus decresed reloadspeed and increased probability of jamming during reload and firing regardless of weapon condition.
Points 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 would offer a 25% bonus to accuracy for the previous tier of weapons (except for 1, which would offer it to the next tier and 10 which would offer an accuracy bonus to all tiers), and similiarly with damage but with an increase of 15%.
This would make increasing the skill a paramount act, if one wishes to master it (unlike with the current system where a skill 50 - for example - is quite adequate to handle all given situations the game offers).

Energy weapons:
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Cost: 5, 5, 10, 10, 15, 15, 20, 20, 25, 25
Similiar to guns otherwise, but in place of damage increases/decreases would be heating/cooldown effects which would be harsh enough to greatly limit firing large amounts of highly powerful energy ammunition. In effect, energy weapons would be much more powerful than guns, but also much more limited in rate of fire and most of them would also, due to their light effects, hinder stealth.

Melee:
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Cost: 5, 5, 10, 10, 15, 15, 20, 20, 25, 25
Same as guns and ew with tiers, but in place of accuracy increases/decreses would be attackspeed. Lacking a tier would offer a 50% penalty for overall damage and 25% for attackspeed, lacking 2 tiers similiarly 75% and 50%. Points 3, 6 and 9 would also offer a "special move" which would be slower than normal attack, but more powerful.

Explosives:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: With explosive based weapons, refer to the guns section. 0 points, you can throw grenades and dynamite very inaccurately, that's it; 1 point - opens up the ability to create and tinker with satchelcharges and firebombs and removes penalties from grenades and regular dynamite; 2 points - landmines and their modified and custom variants enter the picture; 3 points - creation and operating with C4, semtex, and other plastic explosives and remote detonatables; 4 points - Energybased explosives (electricity, EMP, plasma, etc) explosives; 5 points - Mix and match your own cocktails with all available ingredients.

Sneak:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: With 0 points you do not sneak, you're so clumsy that going crouched wouldn't make any difference. Each point decreases the chance of detection according to circumstances (LOS distance, lighting, sound) by 15%. Also, point 1 - ability to use light armor without penalties, point 3 - ability to use medium armor with decreased penalties, point 5 - ability to use heavy armor with decreased penalties.

Speech:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: With 0 points, regular default dialog (plus other skill/perk related options); with points 1-5, thesholds for related speech-check lines.

Lockpick:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: With 0 points you do not pick locks, you simply have no idea how to. Each point opens up ability to open locks at respective levels. The skill also modifies the amount of time an attempt takes. Also, if a minigame is involved, which I wouldn't put there, each tier increases the durability of the lockpick when attempting current or previous tiers.

Barter:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: 0 points - 20% selling value, 200% buying value; 1 point - 40% selling value, 175% buying value; 2 points - 60% selling value, 150% buying value; 3 points - 80% selling value, 125% buying value; 4 points - 100% selling value, 100% buying value; 5 points - 120% selling value, 75% buying value.

Science:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: Hacking abilities similiar to lockpicking. Also handling the modding requirements for energy weapons. Thresholds for various skilluses outside of inventoryitems.

Repair:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: 0 points - you do not repair anything by yourself, Point 1 - Repair light armor to top condition, medium armor to 50% CND, and heavy armor to 25%, Point 3 - Repair medium armor to top condition, medium armor to 75% and heavy armor to 50%, Point 5 - Repair all armors to top condition. Handles various crafting requirements and modding reqs for Guns category of weapons. Thresholds for various skilluses outside of inventoryitems.

Medical:
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Cost: 5, 10, 15, 20, 25
Effect: 0 points - you can use stimpaks but they only heal 50% of their potential, and after 5 in a row, you suffer double the overdoespenalty. Point 1 - Ability to heal 30 HP manually when no hostiles are around, and with a cooldown time for use. Intoxication meter allows for 5 stimpaks in a row without overdosing. Point 2 - Manual healing cooldown time decreased for 25%. 7 stimpaks without penalties. Point 3 - Can use 1 superstim without a penalty. 30% chance of healing a crippled limb. Point 4 - 10 stims or 2 superstims without penalty. Cooldown time decreased additional 25%. 50% chance of healing a crippled limb. Point 5 - 75% chance at healing a crippled limb. 5 superstims or 15 stims without penalty.

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SPECIAL (outline, and not including governed skills and related bonuses):
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S - Carryweight, melee/HtH damage and attackspeed modifiers, lifting and moving heavy objects, weapon STR requirement modifiers, (+ other situational misc tasks)
P - Accuracy, vision distance, identifying consumables and their effects (in conjuction with survival skill), detecting traps, (+ other situational misc tasks)
E - Base HP, HP/level, poison-, radiation-, damage (other) resistances, sprint time, (+ other situational misc tasks)
C - Initial reaction modifiers, companion nerve, soothe (a chance of rendering humanoid enemies nonhostile for a moment -- situational) (+ other situational misc tasks)
I - Skillpoints/level, identifying objects not in the range of perception, (+ other situational misc tasks)
A - Movespeed, actionpoints, weapon handling speed, jump height and distance, (+ other situational misc tasks)
L - Luck is blind :wink:


A story/faction outline (I know it's futile to suggest anything regarding the story, but I got bored):
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Faction (just an outline, inconsistencies may occur):

The Greenhouse

Location:
At the region around Greenville Mississippi, including part of the river.

Structure:
A Vault City esque large fenced settlement. An underground vault (what ever unused number) from where the inhabitants emerged; a large facility consisting of The Greenhous Genetics laboratories, The Greenhouse Institute and The Greenhouse Testfacility; normal settlement area divided into "the slum" with lower grade infrastructure, "the central area" with higher grade infrastructure, and "the Institute area" with the science facilities and top tier inhabitants.

Politics:
- Non-expansive in a military way, but spreads influence through other means (very high medical knowhow, clean genetically enhanced food and water etc.) some of which may not be too ethical (like secretly creating circumstances which need their expertise to be solved).
- Strict policies about hygiene and diseasecontrol -- the Slum area basically being a quarantine zone for outsiders wanting to move in (though, despite being an inhospitable host, still offering some benefits over living outside as well as the ultimate benefit of the possibility of getting to live in the central area).
- Military force concentrated on defending the city and surrounding areas, not too capable of attacking anyone.

History:
The Greenhouse was originated in the 60's by a Polish immigrant, a young medical student named Victor Zielinsky, who, with his wife Katja, left the ruins and rebuilding of Krakow in late 40's to seek for a better life in America. He continued his medical studies in New Orleans and funded his living and studies by working parttime at a local florist and some local farms. From these occupations he contacted the interest in plant and animal life, and eventually moved away from medical studies to genetics.

In 1965, due to not being satisfied with the life in a big city, he moved to Greenville Mississippi with his wife and 6-year-old son and started a greenhouse project with a goal to enhance the livestock and crops to produce more and more nutrientwealthy products, and to "create" decorative plants by mixing various species'. The start was a rockyone and he still had to have another occupation as a local doctor and a vet. But as years passed, the greenhouse project started to bear fruit. In 1976 he made a significant breakthrough in the area of animal genetics and was able to expand. In following years the Greenhouse Project turned into a fullblown sciencefacility called The Greenhouse Genetics. Victors son, Adam Zielinsky, had taken an interest in his fathers study already at a young age, and eventually took over the project in early 1980's when Victor died of lung cancer.

Adam, being passionate about his work, changed his last name to Green to connect better with the work he was doing, and to sound more "American". He continued evolving the project, and expanded further by establishing The Greenhouse Institute at the side of The Greenhouse Genetics facility. The Institute worked as a university of genetics and schooled people to work at the Genetics facility.

Adams passion to his work was such a powerful kind that it drove him to force the same passion to his daughter, Sylvia. Due to the strong belief in family ties and inheritance, he effectively brainwashed her to continue his legacy at the helm of the project. This line of action was then rooted to the Zielinsky/Green family as Sylvia passed it on to her child, and the chain went on from there.

Eventually the Greenhouse grew to be a national interest. The government had high interest in it and what it was doing, and at later point Vault Tec built a vault right next to the facility as part of the Project Safehouse. Pacts were made in secret and Reginald Green, the head of The Greenhouse Genetics at that point, was set as the overseer of the vault, which, like the other vaults, was sealed at 2077.

The overseers orders consisted of continuing the Greenhouse work, and doing medical experiments with the inhabitants in research of enhancing the human body. An accident was staged with the air- and waterfiltration systems and it was said that due to this, a form of plague had gotten in the vault. There was no permanent cure for this so the medical team started giving vaccines to people on regular basis. Most had a placebo, but some were intentionally contacted with various gene experiments. These experiments all led to deformation and horrible sickness, which of course was not the intent, but the eggs had to be broken for the omelet. This went on for years and the coverup held.

The vault doors finally opened at 2251 and the people emerged. With the aid of the vaults GECK, they formed a settlement around the vault entrance and the Greenhouse facility which they started repairing in working condition, as per ordered in the overseers instructions. It didn't take much time due to no direct hits of the warheads. The vault generators and the facilities own underground generators produced enough power to keep the settlement running and allowing it to expand a bit.

The young overseer, Victor Green (named after his ancestor), was appointed mayor and head geneologist. He restarted the Project Greenhouse which was to make the surrounding wasteland to flourish again, to produce wealth and health as it used to.

The neighboring settlements in the area took interest in The Greenhouse and commercial routes were established. Some people wanted to move in behind the protective walls and prosper with the advanced medical and agricultural prospects the Greenhouse offered, but due to Victors demands on high end diseasecontrol, they were packed in a fenced slumareas which eventually grew to form a full district. The Slum district occupants were regularly tested with various chemicals to assure they posed no significant threat of contaminating the central populace. The procedure was slow due to only few officials taking part in it which led only a handfull of people being tested at a time and for many times during a lengthy period of time. The district was full of people waiting to get tested, so new people were only let in the slum when others left or were let in the central district. The choosing of people to be tested was seemingly random and this led to some people living their whole lives in the slum waiting be tested.

It was not long after the facility got restarted when the first ghouls were met. At first they were shunned and driven away due to their appearance, but when it was learned that they had an abnormally long life, some were let inside, allowed to get past the line. And they were studied. Victor got immensely curious about their genetical structure and how it allowed them to live so long. With his most trusted scientists, he immediately started a behind the curtains project to create a vaccine which would give normal human the benefits of long and diseasefree life without the side-effects of rotting skin.

This was at first done in a civil manner, but when Victor learned he had cancer, he hasted the research. Soon the it consisted of cruel and inhuman practices. The testsubject were predisposed to enjailmet and torture, they were injected with substances that caused various diseases and deformations, they were cut to pieces to study their bodies' reactions to the chemicals. Victor justified all this with the, as he was sure of them, eventually succesful results and necessary evil in the betterment of human physiology which would, as he believed, eventually lead to the end of the wasteland and rapidly bring societies together again forming a better world.

He was was aware of how this would look in public, so extreme discretion was taken and all research was kept under a blanket. He also knew harvesting test subjects from the populace of his own city would eventually lead to lowering in popularity and desertion. So he, with his high security officials, staged diseases they knew how to cure in the other nearby settlements and then offered them medical assistance. They cured most for the show and kept others with the excuse of them being in such a bad shape they had to be quarantined, cremated or got disposed of by other means.

The growing efforts, however, spent more subjects than they could gather. Additional measures were taken and they started abducting people. They left clues in the wildersness which led to an assumption that the abductees were either killed and eaten by wildlife or cannibal savages, or captured by slavers. All this eventually rose suspicion among the other settlements, and a group of people started their private investigations to prove that the Greenhouse was in some way responsible for the ever growing number of missing people.

And this is the state the region is in right now in the year 2283, when a hasty stagíng of a form of smallpox got out of hand and spread throughout the region.


Interactions with the player (again, just outlining things):
Spoiler

The game begins with the protagonist (The Drifter) being held by a band of highwaymen. S/he is being stripped from his/her belongings and given a some water, and then sent out walking towards west along the burning wasteland (a slight nod to The good, the bad and the ugly). After few days of walking he passes out. A hunting party finds him and carries him/her to a nearby settlement where s/he is nursed. When The Drifter awakes, it occurs that there is some sort of plague in the settlement. Quarantine tents have been risen and the healthy do what they can for the ever growing number of the sick.
- The settlement provides some voluntary small local quests to provide a tutorial.
- Due to the towns own populace being preoccupied with providing for the sick, the drifter is given a task of traveling to a nearby larger settlement to find out why caravans no longer visit the settlement, and if possible to reopen the routes (with the info that the town can afford to pay well). The drifter is given some basic supply for traveling and self defence. The quest is trusted to the drifter in belief of his/her gratitude of saving his/her life. A reward is also offered and a notion is given that if the caravans do not arrive in time with supplies, the town will die out as they are running out of resources.
- The player can ignore this quest, in which case the town will die out (which has consequences later in the game).
- The quest leads the drifter to the ruins of Greenville, which has a major settlement established there. And from here the story starts to expand to all directions.


Endings (again just simple scetching here):
Spoiler

- The player can side with The Greenhouse, in which case the curel human testing will go on and and on for years to come and grow causing great pains and sorrow, but region in general also starts to prosper due to some scientific breakthroughs and the continuing medical assistance from The Greenhouse doctors. The wasteland starts to get green and fertile again for the region. --in a nutshell--


- The player can side with a coalition of the other settlements and bring to light what The Greenhouse is doing, which leads to the invasion and (accidental) burning of The Greenhouse, killing all the head officials and driving the rest of the populace back into the vault, burning the bodies in front of the door, and finally sealing it shut by collapsing the ground over the entrance with explosives. The lives of the people will go on relatively well, but without any of the Greenhouse advancements in technology and medicine. The research at the Greenhouse will never occur and all the benefits it would've offered to the soil and to the people are forever gone. --in a nutshell--

- A third ending which I haven't made up yet :laugh:


Things I'd appreciate if omitted from the current formula:
Spoiler

- Sandbox map -- the game can still be an open world (like how the first games) and support random exploration with large enough "nodes".
- Main focus on exploration -- this shouldn't be the selling point of the game, it's fine for TES, but Fallout should be set apart from that series in all ways possible.
- Too heavy focus on combat more than other styles of gameplay -- there should be more balance on how to fare with the gameworld, well made and settlement centric nodes would support this in that there'd be less empty space that needs to be filled with random combat.
- And stop wasting time in handplacing every sandbead in the desert. There's absolutely no need what so ever to not use procedurally generated landscapes in a wasteland that is mostly sand, rocks and rubble. Use that time to create as unique and differing focus spots as possible.
- And most importantly... less content from the Big Bag of Cool-on-paper +1 -- think before implementing, does it fit the setting, does it make sense, does it have a real purpose.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 11:58 am

How would it do that, there are such things as rebellious children.
Dinosaur logic, be glad you don't live in one.....actually that sounds kinda fun....
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 3:21 pm

How would it do that, there are such things as rebellious children.
There certainly are, but you would be set as the descendant of the Lone Wanderer, you could never not be that. You couldn't roleplay as the descendant of the Vault Dweller or anyone else, its a small thing and definitely not up to Fallout 3's level, but it is a block that you can't get past. I'd much prefer a blank slate with a few vague details, like how the Courier was setup.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 9:19 pm

Gunplay & VATS (should it be implemented):

Gunskills would now have much heavier effect on waivering and general accuracy than what it is in F3, utilizing the skill and STR requirement system from New Vegas (but more heavyhandedly). In addition, the players stance, movement, weapons type and recoil also would affect it.

The normal (according to skill) situation would be standing still and aiming through iron sights (firing from hip would give a large hit on accuracy). Crouching would give a small bonus to accuracy and going prone would give a slightly bigger bonus (with the bonus from aiming coming on top of that). The tradeoff with going prone and being accurate would be extremely slow moving and turning, and it would take its time for the player to get up and ready the weapon again. Firing from the hip would cause bigger spread. Movement would also give a hit to accuracy -- the faster you move, the bigger the waivering with ironsights and spread with hipfiring. Recoil would work dynamically based on the gun used, and would throw the aim off a bit with each shot (while bursting, the amount of recoil per shot would stack up eventually leading to firing straight up -- with hipfire, the "offaim" would be a bit smaller, but the spread would increase).

Guns would do generally more damage and the damagestats would be ranges. IE: Huntingrifle - dmg 11-20, like in Fallout 1&2, but with growth of related skill raising the minimum amount closer to the maximum (though not as far as up to having a static damage, there would always be some range left).

The combat overall would go through a total overhaul. No more run 'n gun FPS bullsh*t but more slowpaced, focused and tactical. A RTwP/TB (optable) setup with full control over the player character and partymembers would be nice. But of course that ain't gonna happen since nothing but horrid FPS twitching is viable in the gaming market anymore, and Bethesda does not deviate for their 15 year old formula...

So instead, actionpoints would count in combat (suggested before by me and some others).

A simple example:

Lesser cost rate:
Shooting (very low cost) - shooting with no AP's left would give a hefty penalty to accuracy and recoil control
Reload (low cost) - reloading with no AP's left would triple the time it takes to reload and increase the chances for reload failure

Moderate cost rate:
Using quick keys (cost rate depending on what's being done, changing a weapon (moderate cost), using stims (higher moderate cost), changing ammunition (high moderate cost due to including reloading)) - with no AP's, quick keys won't work, no stimspamming or changing weapons, tough luck.

High cost:
Inventory access - with no AP's, inventory access is denied, run for cover and wait for the AP's to refill.
Using items inside inventory - if AP's run out during doing something in the inventory, you can still browse and assign quick keys, but after that only action allowed is to exit inventory.

Additionally, no AP's left would increase running speed for... say.... oh well, for examples sake, 20% to provide chances to get to cover while AP's recharge.

And AP's would recharge much slower while moving and at normal rate while being still.

All that only during combat (and during shooting/whacking thin air when not in combat for the lesser cost actions).

Consider AP's in the lesser cost section as representing exhaustion.
And in the moderate and high cost sections as representing mental strength, situtional loss of focus, a panic of sorts leading to indesicion and inability to operate properly.

NPC's would also have their own AP's which would dictate their performance (a bit differently than the PC, since NPC's don't use quick keys or the sort).

In vats you would now have an option to choose a firing mode. Rapid fire - a hastily aimed rapid shooting towards the target; or aimed shots, which would be the opposite of rapid fire.

Rapid fire would lower the accuracy a bit and you could only target a foe as a whole; but it would spend less actionpoints, while aimed shots would cost more and calculate the accuracy without minuses, and you would be able to target specific body parts. The bonuses and hits of chosen stance would be similiar to those in realtime firing.

Being prone in vats would force you to choose a firing sector (so that the player doesn't spin like a dreidel in all directions while being the most accurate he can). Prone position would also be the most expensive stance to fire from, while standing would be the cheapest, and being crouched in the middle. The player would be able to change his preferred stance in VATS, but at a cost.

Make the game lean less towards the TES style of gameplay - find a better middleground in between - to create a greater diversity between the two franchises.
I like a lot of what you have to say about the gun play, and ap costs (although, I can see the invintory not being able to open being really annoying while playing). It would make the game much more tactical, which to me would fit the setting much better then the run and gun thing we have right now. It'd also be pretty nice since it would set Fallout's combat apart from other games with guns and would be unique, something I think the industry sorely lacks right now. About the last line you wrote about separating TES from Fallout, I couldn't agree with you more. One of the things I think the Fallout 4 should stress is becoming its own unique game and not TES with guns, it should have it's own feel and gameplay.

There certainly are, but you would be set as the descendant of the Lone Wanderer, you could never not be that. You couldn't roleplay as the descendant of the Vault Dweller or anyone else, its a small thing and definitely not up to Fallout 3's level, but it is a block that you can't get past. I'd much prefer a blank slate with a few vague details, like how the Courier was setup.
I can see what your saying but didn't lonesome road get into detail about the courier's background. Did you find that annoying at all?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:35 am

I can see what your saying but didn't lonesome road get into detail about the courier's background. Did you find that annoying at all?
I was annoyed when I heard about it, but after I played it I was very glad how it was handled.
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All we know is that the Courier used to walk that road through the Divide and because of his/her travels a community was born. When the NCR sent the Courier with the package from Navarro, we don't know if the Courier activated it, left it and went home or even if s/he knew what it was. It gave some insights, but it was all still brilliantly vague.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Courier is the wiki page of the Courier and it shows all we can learn about his/her past, it isn't a very long or revealing list and I think its ideal for a true RPG.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 5:42 pm

I have been thinking about what the next pc should be. I think so as to have no ties in with region they choose to do as well as to offer some info about other regions in the US and possibly Canada/Mexico. They could have the next character we play either a nomad/wanderer or a merchant. This could then give us info on whats going on around the country(assuming the pc doesn't stick to onside of the country or the other).
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